Literature Inheritance Cycle Discussion

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06:23:56 PM Dec 5th 2017
I actually thought the series was pretty good (yes, even the first book). Sure it is definitely a huge Cliché Storm, and the first book definitely read like it was written by a 16-year-old with a thesaurus, but I found it rather enjoyable and re-listenable (I listened to the audiobooks instead of reading the books). The movie sucked though (possible new entry for the Live-Action Films section of So Bad, It's Horrible)?
10:04:28 AM Jul 3rd 2013
I just would like to point out this page has some entries that contradict each others (such as Downer Ending and Bittersweent Ending) or aren't exactly subjective our explained (what exactly make Eragon an Idiot Hero?). Could someone solve those issues, please?
10:28:27 AM Jul 3rd 2013
Post in this thread with details of what exactly you want added, removed, and/or edited, and the moderators can do it for you.
07:33:03 AM Jul 4th 2013
Thank you.
09:25:52 PM Mar 14th 2013
So I just think, since the page is locked, that on the description it should be noted that there is a fifth, stand alone book planned at some point.
07:10:58 AM Feb 17th 2013
Beauty Is Never Tarnished: it's averted in the case of Nuada's scars - subverted too in a way since she displays her scars to assert her role as chief of the Varden and later as queen.
06:04:45 AM May 11th 2012
The following entry has been accused of being shoehorned.

Please discuss. If it does indeed belong here, let us know here.
10:47:39 AM May 4th 2012
edited by SamMax
I've went on and saw a lot of one-star reviews saying that they enjoyed the series until book 4, which had too much Left Hanging. I put it in the YMMV page under Ending Aversion.
01:09:31 AM Mar 4th 2012
Since this page is locked (*sigh*), I'll just put the trope here for someone to move once it's unlocked....

Clean Dub Name : A mild version of this occurs in the German translation, for the elf named Blödhgarm. In German, "blöd" means "stupid". His name was changed to Bloëdhgarm.
01:39:28 AM Mar 4th 2012
Edit Request for a Locked Page They aren't planning on unlocking it, as far as I'm aware, so just make any requests on that thread.
08:28:39 AM Feb 28th 2012
I'd like to add Fantastic Nuke to this page - it's a fairly major plot point in Book 4, both historically and during the final battle.
10:38:15 AM Feb 28th 2012
08:59:50 PM Feb 28th 2012
Except this is an actual nuke. Except not. What's going on here is that matter is being converted straight to energy. It's not a nuclear explosion. It's actually pure explosion, if you will, the results of Explodium. Presumably, the radioactive fallout that would contaminate in a regular nuke is replaced by the Ionizing radiation from such an event.
08:31:46 PM Feb 23rd 2012
They seem to be having another go at making a movie out of Eragon. If so, the page needs to be updated.
07:29:44 PM Dec 23rd 2011
I was going to add a possible shout-out to Doctor Who. In Inheritance, Solembum mentions that he has seen men who age backwards, shadows that creep, and rooms that are bigger on the inside than the outside. Sounds like references to newer Doctors being younger, the Vashta Nerada, and the TARDIS.
02:26:27 AM Dec 24th 2011
Sounds dubious. I don't think so.
09:01:40 AM Dec 24th 2011
Paolini himself has said he likes Dr Who, and there's one in Brisingr as well. There's also a big Avatar one in Inheritance. I'd say both are worth mentioning.
05:18:25 PM Dec 29th 2011
I'll admit that men aging backwards and shadows that creep are dubious as shout outs, but "bigger on the inside" is much less dubious.
12:25:48 AM Dec 30th 2011
Bigger on the Inside is a whole trope of its own. It has hundreds of examples. They can't all be Doctor Who shout-outs.

And again, similar story with aging backwards (Merlin Sickness) and shadows that creep (Living Shadow). There are hundreds of works that use those tropes. Doctor Who wasn't the first and it won't be the last. If you had something more concrete—for example, if Solembum made a reference to a phone booth that was Bigger on the Inside—then we might have something to work with.
03:00:40 PM Jan 1st 2012
Wow. I don't know how I missed all of that. Especially Bigger On The Inside being its own trope. I must look really stupid now.
03:28:54 PM Feb 13th 2012
That'd be valid, but Paolini has made several similar shout outs to the Doctor in the past. Which he has said were deliberate shout outs to the Doctor. So I wouldn't dismiss this one out of hand.
11:18:57 PM Dec 10th 2011
What happened to the reviews? They're gone!
05:45:17 AM Dec 11th 2011
edited by DSFARGEG
Did they get left behind when the namespace moved?
09:51:48 AM Dec 11th 2011

Here is the old location of the reviews. Use the "Correct subject" button to move them to the new location.
12:13:25 PM Nov 13th 2011
Bittersweet Ending: The end of the entire series was kinda bittersweet in that Eragon vanquished Galbatorix and Arya admits something may come between them in time, only to have Eragon have to leave the land forever. Even Saphira was finally getting together with someone.

12:29:02 PM Nov 13th 2011
Also: Boss Battle: Lord Barst's fight with Roran. Fantastic Nuke: An elf Rider during the fighting at Vroenguard, and Galbatorix when he dies. Heel–Face Turn: Murtagh during the battle with Galbatorix.

07:23:42 PM Nov 13th 2011
See the Edit Request for a Locked Page thread.

Not an Example of Boss Battle, by the way. That's for interactive media.
10:34:09 PM Dec 4th 2011
Is it possible for Climax Boss to come into play if its a non-interactive media?
11:36:10 PM Dec 4th 2011
Generally speaking, no, because boss fights don't happen in non-interactive media. The exception is when they directly reference video games, e.g. Scott Pilgrim.

You may be looking for Final Battle.
12:09:28 PM Nov 10th 2011
Please add:
  • Puppet King: Nasuada is set up as this. However, it doesn't quite work out.
07:21:37 AM Nov 11th 2011
Or don't add it, because it isn't really true at all.
11:59:58 AM Nov 9th 2011
Is this going to be unlocked now we have the detail from Inheritance? Maybe mods are willing to give this page a chance as a normal page again too - certainly, when I read Inheritance, there was a lot less there that I was thinking 'idiots will complain about this' - maybe it's been long enough in most people's memory, not to mention there is still plenty of bias in the page to fix as well as new content to do.
11:43:34 AM Dec 14th 2011
You may make a Sandbox if you have sweeping changes to make.
02:32:20 PM Dec 14th 2011
edited by troacctid
To do that, go to the article source here and copy the whole thing onto the Sandbox page here. Then make your changes on the Sandbox and post in the "Edit Request for a Locked Page" thread here to ask a mod to swap in the sandbox version.

You can also post individual example entries in the thread and a mod will add them to the page for you.
02:21:05 PM Sep 22nd 2011
The elves and dwarves develop technology at a much slower rate than humans do. What happens to them when the human race enters into gunpowder weaponry? Does anyone think they'll have any shot at survival?
10:34:36 AM Oct 17th 2011
If Paolini ever gets to it, I think it'll be a really nice technology vs magic war. But the humans will have to go from flintlocks to cartridges really, really fast, magic is pretty competent in this world.
11:58:25 AM Nov 9th 2011
Not likely if you read Inheritance. Not ever likely with even human Riders anyway. As it is, if things were really to change, I think the elves would be perfectly suited to magitek anyway.
05:21:51 PM Aug 3rd 2011
whaats with the Anti-hero and moral dissonance on eragon? he seems like a pretty average hero, and besides one or two examples hes really been a pretty shining example. shouldnt that be changed?
08:02:11 AM Jun 25th 2011
Can we add at the beginning:

Also spawned a game?
02:37:46 PM Apr 1st 2011
edited by PhoenixFire
Hey, can we please put in something along the lines of "Not to be confused with the other Inheritance Trilogy, which is by N.K. Jemison"?
02:02:51 PM Apr 5th 2011
11:59:03 AM Mar 25th 2011
edited by DSFARGEG
Since this page has been locked to stop people countering the numerous mistakes in the Official Position, I'll just list there here:

  • "Forgotten Phlebotinum: Remember that incredibly powerful ring with tons of stored-up energy you've got, Eragon? No, you don't."
    • It was was only actually _forgotten_ once (in the battle). Otherwise, it's Too Awesome to Use.

Better way of putting it:
  • Forgotten Phlebotinum: Eragon forgets about Brom's ring during the battle
  • Too Awesome to Use: Brom's ring

  • Also, Kick The Dog: Setting aside the morally dissonant atrocities our heroes are mentioned to have done, we have the elves attacking an allied village without warning or mercy. To ensure that Galbatorix is a true villain, he also has his henchmen destroy several villages on their own.
    • No, they didn't. That is pure hatedom fantasy. They besieged one human city, which was loyal to Galbatorix, and was no different to the Varden's actions in the south. So unless the Varden also doing so was Kicking The Dog, delete.

  • Not So Different:
    • Angela poisons the Empire's officers, and the others react almost negatively.

  • Punctuation Shaker: Ra'zac and Zar'roc, amongst others.
    • Both are in the Ancient Language, there the ' is a letter (similar to some non-English languages), indicating a brief delay. It's not gratuitous.

  • The Revolution Will Not Be Vilified: The Varden (rebellion) is good, while The Empire is evil.
    • Delete this, unless it actually happens in the series (it doesn't). If you just want to make snarky comments, isn't that what reviews etc. are for?

  • Stronger Sibling: Murtagh is more than capable of kicking Eragon's behind, with the help of a few Eldunari.
    • Delete. Without the Eldunari, Eragon would be more than capable of killing Murtagh even when as exhausted as he was. If you really want to keep the example, it's the wrong page (is there anything like Purely Equipment Based Skill ?)

  • Unfortunate Implications
    • is a VMMV.

  • Veganopia: Elven society. Justified somewhat in that it's difficult to eat something when you can hear its thoughts and empathize with it.
    • vegetarians actually. They use everything from leather to feathers, although they still don't kill animals to do so.

  • Whole Plot Reference: The first two books are basically Star Wars: A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Not 'inspired by', not 'borrows heavily from'; the plot is almost the exact same.
    • Do I really need to explain all the differences and YMM Vness?
01:44:17 PM Mar 25th 2011
06:05:31 PM Aug 3rd 2011
just a response to the "Angela poisons the Empire's officers, and the others react almost negatively" they reacted flat out negitivly, one dwarf even saying that it is "dishonorable" and such, but they mostly figure that it is a necessary evil, which is still negitavly.
01:19:43 PM Mar 20th 2011
edited by Darkaros
I've noticed that Acceptable Targets in this case is actually In-Universe, referring to humans' treatment of Elves (As opposed what it had formerly been under history, which was basically refering to the book). Since it's In-Universe, shouldn't it be moved back into the main page from the YMMV?

Edit: Speaking of YMMV moves, it seems that Unusual Euphemism (as of this edit) is no longer YMMV and should probably be moved back into the main page too.
07:43:52 AM Mar 15th 2011
I only ask because of how much of a firebrand this series can be in discussions, but in the YMMV page, should it be mentioned that A: There is a lot of Alternate Character Interpretation from the hatedom camp, saying that Eragon is really just as bad as Galby but gets a free moral pass from his allies because he's the designated/prophesied hero, the Varden is a terrorist organization only marginally better than the Empire (if it's better at all), and the Dragon Riders were a racist cabal of violent elven supremacists. These are all said to try and disparage the series, among other things. However, B: There is a small frigne group of fans who believe this interpretation but think that it makes the story better.

Like I said, normally I wouldn't think twice about a YMMV edit, but since people can get pretty heated over this series I thought it best to check.
07:08:53 AM Mar 5th 2011
There's a Wall Banger redlink pothole that needs to be removed.
04:48:01 PM Feb 21st 2011
Shouldnt the article have a better description, I'm sure there are many critics but can we try to be neutral at least?
11:43:43 AM Mar 25th 2011
It should, but it's unlikely. Hating it is pretty much an official position from this wiki, the main reason I all but gave up with this page.
11:44:57 AM Mar 25th 2011
Plus it needs spoiler tags where appropriate.
07:09:53 AM Feb 5th 2011
0% Approval Rating is listed as a trope for Galbatorix.

See the mention in Protagonist-Centered Morality. It should be mentioned as disputed. Some think that Galbatorix is a ridiculously hated king, some think the heroes are egoist because he is basically a benevolent tyrant. But these cannot be both true.
06:02:35 PM Aug 3rd 2011
Its the first, but not completly. he is evil, what with genocide and slavery and MASSIVE conscription, but inuniverse some people like him, more then likely due to propaanda about the rebels being no more then an army of criminals and bandits, but he does have some supporters.
06:57:05 AM Jan 14th 2011
"Atop A Mountain Of Corpses: A scene in the second book has Roran standing triumphantly atop a pile of 193 slaughtered mooks... ..." This happened in the third book!

08:48:56 PM Jan 13th 2011
edited by Kavonde
I'd like to submit that Roran would be a strong candidate for Hero of Another Story. Sure, he's technically a point of view character, but he's off slaughtering hundreds of enemies from atop an ever-growing mountain of their shattered corpses and wrestling Urgals into submission after being beaten to within an inch of death for disobeying orders while Eragon's on vacation with the dwarves, and he doesn't even get mentioned during the final battle of Brisingr.
05:08:52 PM Jan 17th 2011
The Aragorn might work better, but this example could also not fit any trope. Square Peg, Round Trope and all.
06:41:36 PM Nov 29th 2010
Here's an example worth considering:

Punch-Clock Villain: Murtagh by Brsingr. His dialogue seems to indicate that he would rather pull a Heel–Face Turn if he could break free of Galbatorix's control.
11:44:36 PM Jun 20th 2011
Agreed, I actually found that one outburst of his in his fight with Oromis rather gut-wrenching. "YOU COULD HAVE HELPED US!"
06:57:36 AM Nov 9th 2012
edited by Robinton
Murtagh's really more of a Forced into Evil.
05:33:25 PM Nov 23rd 2010
edited by Raxis
Is Galby really a Boring Invincible Villain? We haven't seen him enough to know how invincible he really is, and because he's Orcus on His Throne, we don't even know his personality and if he's actually boring or not.
12:09:13 PM Nov 22nd 2011
He's been built up to be one by every character who has talked about him, so yes. According to several characters, Galbatorix is so powerful that he could squash the entire Varden effortlessly if he just got off his ass.
06:58:54 AM Nov 9th 2012
Remember, he's been researching the True Name of the True Speech. He's not just been sitting there...
03:28:18 PM Nov 23rd 2010
the plot summary seems to be a stealth Take That! against eragon, in that it is very similar to Star Wars, in fact, in trying to point out the similarities to star wars, a few key plotpoints have been left out. also,why exactly is this page locked?
10:40:43 PM Dec 3rd 2010
Does it still count as a Take That! when its true?
03:55:58 PM Dec 4th 2010
edited by dontcallmewave
"*AHEM*, in fact, in trying to point out the similarities to star wars, a few key plot points have been left out."

true it is very similar, but if you actually read it seriously, instead of trying to read it to find everything that (supposedly) sucks, you can quite easily see that it is quite differant from star wars
11:31:59 PM Dec 27th 2010
I'd just like to point out that the summary, at the very least, needs to be edited to reflect some information from Brisingr. Particularly the fact that Morzan being Eragon's father turned out to be a red herring.
07:31:33 PM Apr 22nd 2011
It pretty much IS Star Wars, just with a few things changed around. It's a fun story to read though, even if it's pretty cliched.
09:18:25 AM May 17th 2011
A plot summary generally doesn't concern itself with twists that should by and large be spoiler-tagged. Do we really need to change this for the sake of differentiation when the plot is objectively similar? It just smacks of "Well, sure, I guess it's kind of a lot like Star Wars, but look, this happened in book three, so it's different!"
11:53:30 PM Jun 20th 2011
And the plot of Swordof Shannara is almost plagiaristically similar to The Lordofthe Rings, but the page for it isn't just a snarky observation of that fact.
11:42:48 AM Feb 12th 2012
@gfrequency: Not that it matters anymore since the description has been overhauled since, but the previous summary WAS just a snarky recap of the whole series, plot twists included. So my point was more "if we're going to keep it as a summary, we need to at least keep it up to date."
09:00:23 AM Nov 14th 2010
The Artistic License - Geography is very shoehorned in - the map is extremely wide and there is a large area of plains in between the two.
12:55:02 PM Nov 14th 2010
zapped it
06:33:13 AM Dec 4th 2010
A bigger YFGF is that in the last chapter of Brisingr, Eragon watches the sun rise over the sea, from a city on the western coast.
11:42:38 PM Jun 20th 2011
Is it specifically stated elsewhere that the sun rises in the east in this world?
08:50:03 AM Oct 26th 2010
Note to self: There's a misuse of ...Or So I Heard in the Aloof Big Brother example. It Must Die.
09:05:32 AM Sep 14th 2010
So, uh, I wanted to add an example...

  • Bilingual Bonus: The fictive languages draw a lot of inspiration from real ones. This also leads to a Bilingual Spoiler for anyone familiar with Norse languages: Arya is called "Dröttning" and variations thereof by the elven escorts, early spoiling her royal identity: "Dröttning" is extremely similar to the word for "queen" in all Norse languages.
03:17:32 AM Aug 29th 2010
So, uh, how long are pages like this going to remain locked? Indefinitely? What happens when the 4th book gets released and we need to add another bunch of tropes?
12:22:00 PM Sep 4th 2010
Fast Eddie gets to add all the examples himself.

Either that, or he unlocks it so that one person can add relevent tropes, then relocks it when that person is done.

Best case scenario would be he just unlocks it so that wikimagic can start working again, but if the page has been locked this long, that's probably just wishful thinking.
09:22:03 PM Aug 15th 2010

The Fan Haters should probably be changed to "Hatedom" or "critics".
01:49:37 PM Aug 8th 2010

Seems like the main character is pretty much a textbook Mary Sue, so...
11:41:17 PM Jun 20th 2011
He makes multiple mistakes, is criticized by the other characters, and doesn't always get his way. How is he in any way a Mary Sue, let alone a "textbook" one?
11:18:51 AM Aug 20th 2011
Mary-sues can make mistakes and be criticized by others and still be mary-sues. Eragon is one because everything that happens to him is just because he is so special! He's perfect(in-universe) and any mistakes he make(that were intended by the author, not the mistakes like some of the hypocrisy and sociopathy that were accidental) only serves to make him even more perfect or a lame/failed attempt at humanizing him.
09:38:41 AM Mar 3rd 2012
Well if you add this, either way put it under YMMV just to be safe. Harry Potter is also "just so special" etc.
07:25:23 AM Jun 3rd 2010

Needs to be added in under expy, for certain.
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