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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3201: Dec 19th 2016 at 3:15:57 AM

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  • Sakuragi initially hate him -> Sakuragi initially hates him
  • an idiot with 0 experience -> an idiot with zero experience
  • despite he knows that Sakuragi has some his hidden talents
    • despite the fact that he knows Sakuragi has some hidden talents

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3202: Dec 19th 2016 at 3:19:01 AM

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  • George makes a bet with Martha to not eat any treats.
    • George makes a bet with Martha that he won't eat any treats.
  • However, George later has a nightmare, where he's being chased by talking chocolate bunnies.
    • The second comma (after "nightmare") isn't needed.
  • While the, chocolate bunnies -> Again, no comma needed.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3203: Dec 19th 2016 at 3:24:34 AM

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can somebody point out what i did wrong in that post please? also would somebody post what i wrote with proper grammar please?

  • can somebody point out what i -> Can somebody point out what I
  • also would somebody post what i -> Also, would somebody post what I

  • you might not notice it a first but theirs -> You might not notice it at first but there's
  • Lord farquad -> Lord Farquad
  • to summarize: -> To summarize:
  • and her family are left deviated. -> and her family is left devastated.

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3204: Dec 19th 2016 at 9:49:04 PM

I know another entry for Unfortunate Implications in the advertisement section:

  • A notable Volkswagen Polo ad shows a man suicide bombing inside a VW Polo car, blowing up himself but the car contains it, saving everyone else. Let's just say, this was not funny to Muslims and the more sensitive people who aren't fond of terrorism jokes.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3205: Dec 20th 2016 at 4:16:57 AM

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  • suicide bombing inside a VW Polo car, -> attempting a suicide bombing using a VW Polo car.
  • blowing up himself but -> He blows himself up but
  • this was not funny -> this is not funny

edited 20th Dec '16 4:18:02 AM by Arivne

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3206: Dec 20th 2016 at 7:04:45 AM

I have a Developer's Foresight entry for Papa Louie Arcade:

  • Developer's Foresight: For a simple game series, the creators have a lot of foresight.
    • In the beginning of each day, you notice some background characters remaining on spot. However, if they are the customer that is about to enter the restaurant, their spot is either absent or replaced.
    • Vincent is a customer introduced in Papa's Sushiria. His purpose in the game is to deliver costumes and coupons. However, if Vincent is the one receiving either items, the one who delivers will either be the workers (for gift) or Akari (for coupons).
      • Not to mention, Akari taking Vincent's role makes sense since her job is similar to Vincent's.

Adding a Broken Base and an Uncanny Valley entry for Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy:

  • Broken Base: Some designs of the characters for the remaster can be quite divisive. The most notable are Koala Kong, whose design looks watered down compared to the original, and N. Tropy, whose face borders Uncanny Valley.
  • Uncanny Valley: N. Tropy's face in a promotional artwork is... quite unsettling.

And a Non Standard Character design for the main page:

  • Non-Standard Character Design: In a promotional artwork that showcases several of the original trilogy's characters in HD, Tawna stands out of the others by having a less cartoonish design.

edited 20th Dec '16 7:14:39 PM by kennydarmawan13

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3207: Dec 21st 2016 at 1:56:26 AM

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  • In the beginning of each day -> At the beginning of each day

  • is the one receiving either items -> is the one receiving either item
  • the one who delivers will -> the one who delivers it will

  • Vincent is a customer introduced in Papa's Sushiria. His purpose in the game is to deliver costumes and coupons. However, if Vincent is the one receiving either items, the one who delivers will either be the workers (for gift) or Akari (for coupons).
    • Not to mention, Akari taking Vincent's role makes sense since her job is similar to Vincent's.

This is illegal Example Indentation. You can't have a single example by itself at the 2nd or lower level of indentation. It should either be deleted or merged with the earlier example it's referring to.

  • Tawna stands out of the others -> Tawna stands out from the others

edited 21st Dec '16 1:57:26 AM by Arivne

Thejakesnake Since: Dec, 2016
#3208: Dec 21st 2016 at 8:59:16 AM

The improved version of my Tear Jerker post of Shrek I posted: You might not notice it at first, but there's this hidden story: first we see the three bears in cages trapped with the rest of the fairy tale creatures, then we see the baby bear crying and papa bear comforting him by the campfire at the swamp, then we see Lord Farquad's castle where we see mama bear as a rug. To summarize: mama bear got killed and turned into a rug, and her family is left devastated. See it here: http://www.memecenter.com/fun/542290/i-cant-believe-i-never-noticed-the-sad-story-of-the-three-bears-in-shrek

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3209: Dec 21st 2016 at 7:32:27 PM

I found a new And You Thought It Would Fail entry on the Film section:

  • Trolls received negative reception upon the release of the teaser trailer due to its obnoxious pop culture references. However, by the time the movie was released, many people claimed that this movie is pretty good, if not great, due to the movie being more than just a bag of obnoxious pop culture references..

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3210: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:16:14 AM

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  • Trolls -> Trolls (How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names)
  • received negative reception -> received a negative reception
  • by the time the movie was released, many people claimed that this movie is pretty good, if not great, due to the movie
    • by the time the movie was released, many people claimed that it was pretty good, if not great, due to it
  • culture references.. -> culture references.

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:19:42 AM by Arivne

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3211: Dec 23rd 2016 at 5:20:09 AM

Apparently, I think that the Trolls should include [[Foil]] entries for Biggie and Smidge, as well as a Reality Ensues entry and a Heel–Face Turn entry just for Creek's character page: In Biggie's entry:

  • Foil: To Smidge. While he's big in name and size, it's evident he's not manly.
In Smidge's entry:
  • Foil: To Biggie. While she's small in name and size, her weightlifting abilities and masculine voice suggests she's manly.
In Creek's entry:
  • Face–Heel Turn: It's evident that Creek is a good guy before, but incredible fear causes him to rather ally with the Bergens than being eaten.
  • Reality Ensues: Creek is shown to be the coolest and most positive Troll in the tribe, but considering the Bergens greatly outmatches the Trolls in every ways like the way the Titans outclasses the humans and is incredibly dangerous to them as well, it's clear that Creek can't even maintain his cool once his life is at stake. The result of that is Creek becoming a Dirty Coward and pulling off a Face–Heel Turn.

Also, adding another Reality Ensues entry and a Bittersweet Ending entry for Sing:

  • Bittersweet Ending: In Johnny's case, he finally gets his father's appreciation for being a singer. But it's greatly implied that his dad will be serving extra jail time for trying to escape prison, but at least Johnny can visit his father from time to time. Also in Mike's case, he manages to get his girl to save his life from the bears, but it's shown that his adventure is far from over.
  • Reality Ensues:
    • Buster Moon truly has the dedication and optimism that rivals Judy Hopps, but just like her, it takes a big negative event, like his theater collapsing down, to turn the once optimistic guy to become a depressed wreck that soon lives his life in his rich friend's house. That's right, even the most optimistic people around can turn into a cynic just by being hit with a negative event.

And another Dueling Works entry for its trivia page:

  • Dueling Works:
    • In terms of release date, this movie is competing with Passengers (2016) and Assassin's Creed. Ironically, while Sing is far less anticipated and has trailers that causes it to be accused of ripping of Zootopia, it's the only one of the three to get mostly positive reviews from critics and audiences alike.

edited 23rd Dec '16 6:53:21 AM by kennydarmawan13

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3212: Dec 24th 2016 at 4:58:09 AM

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Re: the two Foil examples. An example needs to clearly explain how it fits the trope. In this case, each example needs to say how the character contrasts with another character, i.e. how they're different.

Your Foil examples only give information about one character, instead of both of them.

  • Face–Heel Turn: It's evident that Creek is a good guy before, but incredible fear causes him to rather ally with the Bergens than being eaten.

According to Handling Spoilers: "Do not ever conceal the name of the trope in a list of trope examples, the list on the work's page."

The trope name Face–Heel Turn cannot be spoilered in that example.

Also:

  • rather ally with the Bergens than being eaten. -> ally with the Bergens to avoid being eaten.

  • the Bergens greatly outmatches the Trolls in every ways -> the Bergens greatly outmatch the Trolls in every way,
  • like the way the Titans outclasses the humans -> (like the way the Titans outclass the humans)
  • it's clear that Creek can't even maintain his cool once -> it's clear that Creek can't maintain his cool even when

  • But it's greatly implied -> However, it's strongly implied
  • Also in Mike's case, -> Also, in Mike's case,

  • like his theater collapsing down, -> like his theater collapsing,
  • turn the once optimistic guy to become a depressed wreck -> turn the once-optimistic guy into a depressed wreck
  • people around can turn into a cynic -> people around can turn into cynics

  • Passengers (2016) and Assassin's Creed -> Passengers (2016) and Assassin's Creed (How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names)
  • has trailers that causes it -> has trailers that cause it
  • ripping of Zootopia -> ripping off Zootopia

edited 24th Dec '16 5:09:08 AM by Arivne

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#3213: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:50:30 AM

For Saint Seiya ymmv page.

  • Memetic Loser:
    • Shun, due of anime (in the filler stories) and non-canon movies trend to make him more weak than in the manga and need often of to be saved by his big brother Ikki.
    • Aldebaran, of the Gold Saints, is often considered by fans the weakest member because he had lost every battle in the story. Even his major moment of awesome in Hades arc is using Taking You with Me before to be killed (so, a draw this time!).

edited 24th Dec '16 7:50:50 AM by rafi

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#3214: Dec 24th 2016 at 9:31:55 AM

Okay a few edits for Porridge.

  • Contrasting Sequel Main Character:
    • Nigel Fletcher, compared to his grandfather Norman Fletcher, while inheriting his quick wit and a good portion of his savvy, Nigel is young and still learning about being incarnated, compared to his grandfather being an a habitual criminal and Experienced Protagonist. Likewise unlike his grandfather who was Book Dumb but very Street Smart and a cunning manipulator, Nigel is highly intelligent being an accomplished cybercriminal, managing to build a device to remotely hack into the system from inside his cell and even quoting The Other Wiki from memory. He is never the less a fast learner though.
    • Joe Lotterby, compared to Leonard Gober who was young, idealistic and naive having never been to prison before. Lotterby is a cynical but cheerful and harmless The Old Convict, who is knows several tricks about being imprisoned, but is still quite book dumb, especially compared to the more academically interested Godber
  • Playful Hacker: What Fletch sees himself as, arguing (unconvincingly) everything he has done amounts to a series of victimless crimes and that he’s donated a lot of money to charity (just not his own money). The law however see him as a dangerous The Cracker.
  • Suspiciously Similar Substitute:
    • Mr Meekie to Mr MacKay, both being overly suspicious, harsh Scottish prison officers who have their eyes fixed upon a Fletcher. Although Meekie isn’t as sharp or as experienced as MacKay.
    • Mr Braithwaite to Mr Barraclough, fitting the softer more caring prison officer dynamic in contrast to MacKay and Meekie’s harsher one

edited 24th Dec '16 9:40:04 AM by MGD107

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3215: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:39:37 PM

I am going to add another Brick Joke entry (and redo it) to The Mysterious Mr. Enter:

  • Brick Joke:
    • In his review of "Staring Into The Future" he called the show Toddler Titans as a Take That! to its Character Derailment. And in the review of "Waffles", the show the episode belonged to is called Toddler Titans.
    • In his review of Fairly OddPet, he mentions that Cletus the Rapping Shark will be added to the show. By the end of his review of The Big Fairy Share Scare, he mentions Cletus again as he's waiting for him.

edited 24th Dec '16 7:39:55 PM by kennydarmawan13

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3216: Dec 25th 2016 at 2:44:44 AM

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  • due of -> due to the
  • movies -> movies'
  • make him more weak -> make him weaker
  • need often of to -> often needing to

  • fans the -> fans to be the
  • because he had lost -> because he has lost (How to Write an Example - Write in Present Tense)
  • in Hades arc is using -> in the Hades arc uses
  • before to be killed -> to be killed

edited 25th Dec '16 2:45:09 AM by Arivne

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3217: Dec 25th 2016 at 2:57:06 AM

[up][up][up] @ MGD 107

Porridge -> Porridge (How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names. It's a good habit to get into.) :)

  • Nigel Fletcher, compared to his grandfather Norman Fletcher,
    • Just change that second comma to a period and make it a sentence.
  • while inheriting his quick wit -> While inheriting his quick wit
  • being an a habitual criminal and Experienced Protagonist -> (a habitual criminal and Experienced Protagonist)
  • Likewise unlike -> Likewise, unlike
  • who was Book Dumb but very Street Smart and a cunning manipulator,
  • Nigel is highly intelligent being -> Nigel is highly intelligent, being
  • He is never the less -> He is, nevertheless,

  • Joe Lotterby, compared to Leonard Gober -> Joe Lotterby, compared to Leonard Gober,
  • who was young, idealistic and naive having -> who was young, idealistic and naive, having
  • but cheerful and harmless -> (but cheerful and harmless)
  • who is knows several tricks about being imprisoned, but is still quite book dumb
    • who knows several tricks about being imprisoned, but is still quite Book Dumb
  • interested Godber -> interested Godber.

  • arguing (unconvincingly) everything -> arguing (unconvincingly) that everything
  • The law however see him-> The law, however, sees him

  • fixed upon a Fletcher -> fixed upon Fletcher
  • fitting the softer more caring prison officer -> fitting the softer, more caring prison officer
  • harsher one -> harsher one.

edited 25th Dec '16 3:03:42 AM by Arivne

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3218: Dec 25th 2016 at 3:00:56 AM

[up][up][up] @kennydarmawan13

edited 25th Dec '16 3:04:06 AM by Arivne

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3219: Dec 25th 2016 at 3:35:31 AM

I think The Loud House should have a Hilarious in Hindsight entry:

edited 25th Dec '16 3:37:11 AM by kennydarmawan13

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3220: Dec 26th 2016 at 4:25:06 AM

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I don't see any problems with the English in that example, but how is it an example of Hilarious in Hindsight?

If the reader is required to be familiar with another work or read another page to understand an entry, then it's probably a Zero-Context Example.

edited 26th Dec '16 4:27:09 AM by Arivne

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3221: Dec 26th 2016 at 6:33:28 PM

I think that Bishōnen Line should have a Real Life entry:

    Real Life 
  • Humans zig-zag this. While humans are the most dominant race, they're not necessarily the strongest. Some animals are stronger, faster, tougher, and even smarter.
  • TOPIO is a ping pong playing robot that can learn and improve its ability to play ping pong. It has three versions with the newest being the most human-looking.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3222: Dec 27th 2016 at 3:34:50 AM

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  • Humans zig-zag this. While humans are the most dominant race, they're not necessarily the strongest. Some animals are stronger, faster, tougher, and even smarter.
  • TOPIO is a ping pong playing robot that can learn and improve its ability to play ping pong. It has three versions with the newest being the most human-looking.

The only English problem is this:

  • It has three versions with the newest being the most human-looking.
    • It has three versions, with the newest being the most human-looking.

However, I must ask again: how are either of these an example of Bishōnen Line?

That page says that it's about how:

As the power of an evil creature increases, they become more of a large, disfigured abominationuntil they cross the Bishonen Line, beyond which as they gain more power, they (re)gain humanoid form, or something in between.

The Ultimate Lifeform in particular may progress into a distinctly human form on its way up the Evolutionary Levels, as humans being the "perfect" form naturally follows as a result of Most Writers Being Human. The Monster Lord may also be the result of such a development, where this trope divides leaders and mooks inside a race of monsters.

The Laconic says "The point at which an evil creature transforms into a more human form instead of getting increasingly monstrous."

Neither of your examples has anything at all to do with the description above or the Laconic. The trope only applies to evil creatures, and neither humans, animals nor robots are intrinsically evil. There is also no mention of any of these three types either transforming or appearing to be monstrous in any way.

edited 27th Dec '16 3:50:21 AM by Arivne

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3223: Dec 28th 2016 at 7:17:20 AM

For the Happy Happy Clover page

  • Time Skip: Near the end of the final story of the manga. After Rambler finally accepts her becoming a traveler after the forest fire incident. The story skips to a few years later showing Clover and her friends as young adults. Clover is seen visiting Crescent Forest after all those years of traveling with him. We even see Kale's brothers as young children with one baby bunny.

  • A Day in the Limelight: Episode 12 of the anime focuses on Cinnamon and Twirl about the news of a wolf in the forest.

  • "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue: The final yonkoma for the final story in the manga shows what the residents of Crescent Forest are doing after the events of the final story mainly with now grown Kale,Shallot, and Mallow.

edited 28th Dec '16 7:25:28 AM by brb1006

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#3224: Dec 28th 2016 at 8:51:41 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] Thank you, so here it is a second time. Anymore errors?

  • Contrasting Sequel Main Character:
    • Nigel Fletcher, compared to his grandfather Norman Fletcher. While inheriting his quick wit and a good portion of his savvy, Nigel is young and still learning about being incarnated, compared to his grandfather (being an a habitual criminal and Experienced Protagonist). Likewise, unlike his grandfather (who was Book Dumb but very Street Smart and a cunning manipulator), Nigel is highly intelligent, being an accomplished cybercriminal, managing to build a device to remotely hack into the system from inside his cell and even quoting The Other Wiki from memory. He is, nevertheless a fast learner though.
    • Joe Lotterby, compared to Leonard Gober, who was young, idealistic and naïve, having never been to prison before. Lotterby is a cynical (but cheerful and harmless) The Old Convict, who is knows several tricks about being imprisoned, but is still quite Book Dumb, especially compared to the more academically interested Godber.
  • Playful Hacker: What Fletch sees himself as, arguing (unconvincingly) that everything he has done amounts to a series of victimless crimes and that he’s donated a lot of money to charity (just not his own money). The law however sees him as a dangerous The Cracker.
  • Suspiciously Similar Substitute:
    • Mr Meekie to Mr MacKay, both being overly suspicious, harsh Scottish prison officers who have their eyes fixed upon Fletcher. Although Meekie isn’t as sharp or as experienced as MacKay.
    • Mr Braithwaite to Mr Barraclough, fitting the softer, more caring prison officer dynamic in contrast to MacKay and Meekie’s harsher one. Although Braithwaite is noticeably less naive and more cunning than Barraclough ever was.

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3225: Dec 28th 2016 at 12:22:22 PM

Seldom-Seen Species example for the Film-Animation

For the Kawaiiko page on Western Animation.

  • In Illumination Entertainment's 2016 movie Sing features a female group of red pandas that not only speak Japanese. But they are also fond to dancing and acting very cute.

edited 28th Dec '16 12:33:01 PM by brb1006


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