First, sorry I've been so slow in hammering at the Monster.Web Original
page. Life is way too busy at the moment, and things I thought would be done are not being done as quickly as I'd like. Such is life.
@5179 To be honest, I'm not sure just how much forum RP should be troped here, to be honest. It's a bit more fast and loose than even regular fanfic. But as they say, There Is No Such Thing as Notability
@5183 Unless they point out just how deadly destroying technology would be and he makes a conscious decision to do so anyway, that's just Inferred Holocaust
- that's not enough for this trope. Nothing to do with Fridge Logic
or Fridge Horror
can be considered. Everything has to be explicit, especially as it's quite possible that he didn't think it all through (there's a reason that My God, What Have I Done?
is a trope - because people don't always think through the Fridge Horror
until it's too late and it comes to pass).
@5184 To be fair, this isn't the place to point out the flaws in School Days
; the fact that the characters in question don't do anything that would qualify as heinous in the setting, let alone heinous as the general bar for this trope, is enough to DQ them.
That said, there's a reason I haven't
bothered watching it, despite having access to it for free on Crunchyroll.
@5185 To hit on the ones that aren't mere echoing:
If you've got possible arguments for the Broken Saints
examples, I'm ready to consider them.
For Walter Smith, it's been a long while since I read Survival of the Fittest
. I'll try to put together a good entry for him in a few days. If I can't, a cut may be in order.
I somehow missed Marrissa of Dark Marrissa
before. Agreed, expand or cut.
Emil Hammond of Whateley Universe
is basically an Expy
of various anti-mutant officials (most prominently, Robert Kelly) from X-Men
- and to be fair, they do get cited for Strawman Has a Point
at various times for a reason. He's dancing on the line between Well-Intentioned Extremist
and Knight Templar
, which has me reticent to keep him.
I think Alastor might need more detail to settle whether he's a Generic Doomsday Villain
or if he counts.
Oh, right, Tragic Monster
... was trying to think of that trope to describe Swarm and it escaped me. Thanks for reminding me.
@5186 I think the pre-Slendy murders count as Offscreen Villainy
, since those all happened before the story begins. I think, due to the strict standards of what we hold to qualify for the course of the story, that he falls short.
@5187 It's like a This Very Wiki-specific variant of Murphy's Law - given the opportunity to insert a villain from child-centered media into Complete Monster
, someone is guaranteed to do so.
As for the issue of females being judged more harsly (in general, really)... I was reading a piece earlier today about how that's true in the world of sports. Clearly, the example here is prime proof of that. I agree with the suggestion.
@5190 Eh... evil, but I'm not sure he reaches the levels of depravity I'd expect. I'm inclined to vote no.
@5192 and subsequent: I personally would only like potholes to Complete Monster
if they're restricted solely to YMMV pages for works, and somewhere on said YMMV pages it gave reasons as to why they qualify.
@5195 I am remarkably consistent. Though it did present some issues when I first started, and there's a reason that I can never bluelink my forum name to my troper page
For your example, I would change the first sentence to "Emperor Caligula is presented as this in I, Claudius
." Or maybe call him Emperor Gaius Caesar if they don't use his nickname in the series. Beyond that, looks good.
@5197 If nobody has offered objections after this long, feel free.
@5198, @5200 Sounds like a cut to me, then.
Now, to finally finish what was started in @5146 and @5177, Monster.Web Original
Red Dawn +20
: Khvostov can stay, but I'd want that consolidated into one bullet point. Bratchenko should be cut; that isn't as heinous as Khvostov. The People's Autonomous Collective is a group; cut.
Carl of Llamas with Hats
: Previously discussed in @4723; I agreed with the cut proposal in @4725.
The Master of Darkness of The Questport Chronicles
: Expand or cut; the stub is absurdly vague.
The Irate Gamer
: Same as Carl.
Parody Janeway of Sci Fi Debris
: Same as Carl.
Red of NES Godzilla Creepypasta
: I'm inclined to vote cut, because much of the qualifying material was either Offscreen Villainy
or simply sadism towards the main character For the Evulz
. If more had been shown, I would have given it a keep.
Iron Rose of Cold Blood
: Cut the last sentence, but otherwise keep.
Sweet Tooth of Holy Musical B@tman
: Wait, someone made a Captain Ersatz
of The Joker
... to fight Batman? Did I miss something here? I'm wracking my brain as to why the author didn't just use The Joker in the first place... I must be missing something. Anyhow, given that I'm imagining The Joker doing the exact same thing, then me using that as an argument as to why The Joker qualifies, he can stay.
Alex Kralie of Marble Hornets
: I'm going to invoke the "let's wait for it to end" protocol, because there has been so much that's been suggested versus explicitly shown (which makes sense, since it is a horror series), plus questions about whether Alex has any redeeming features at all, that I follow this series and I still couldn't say for certain whether or not he qualifies. He might, depending on just which WMG turns out to be right... but I won't put something in based purely on WMG. So cut for now and come back to it later.
Red vs. Blue
: Huh. This used to be a comedy... and yet, I don't see Cerebus Syndrome
cited anywhere. Anyhow, for Sigma, based on the note under Gamma, I think seeking "metastability" is a Well-Intentioned Extremist
act to ensure survival, so I'm inclined to cut. For O'Malley/Omega... given that he's just literally the split-off anger of an AI, I'm inclined to say that he's forced by programming to be that way and vote no. South Dakota is given multiple examples on the page for reasons to cut - care for her brother, a Freudian Excuse
... easy cut. Finally, Gamma, who is also a split-off portion of an AI. Plus, the entry notes that he has a Pet the Dog
moment. I'm inclined to thus cut the whole lot. Also, Shaoken proposed the same action in @4368.