Is this an example?

Are Laverne & Shirley Those Two Girls?

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Short answer : NO.

Longer answer : The trope in question is about 2 characters who function as a Greek Chorus without the G Cs tendency to break the 4th wall. They are [b]minor[/b] characters who exist to comment on the events of the story. Laverne & Shirley are the main characters, and they fail to meet every single criteria of the trope.

From what I've read the comics are in an Alternate Continuity, so Fluttershy being terrible at knitting in the show wouldn't fit. The example is misuse either way.

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Last I check, the comics are canon until they are contradicted by the show, but misuse either way, thanks.

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• Super Robot Wars V: Embryo is the Greater-Scope Villain of the series, influencing multiple conflicts and kidnapping everyone's love interests from all the different series to use for his new humanity.

• James Bond: While the nefarious leader of SPECTRE, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, is evil, in Spectre, he is depicted as a jealous stepbrother who committed Patricide at a young age just for looking after Bond, and later formed SPECTRE to break 007's morale and life in any way possible. He later drills into Bond's head as part of his Cold-Blooded Torture, showcasing his dark and sadistic nature, and while doing this, he remains eerily calm and soft while doing this, all the while trying to weaken Bond's morale by abducting Madeleine Swann and imprisoning her somewhere inside the old MI 6 building, forcing 007 to a Sadistic Choice, where he can escape the exploding building and have him arrested, but remain wracked with the guilt and pain of not saving Swann, just as he couldn't rescue Vesper Lynd, or he can try to rescue her and risk dying in the explosion. As far as things go, Franz Oberhauser lacks the campyness of his previous versions, replacing them with chillingly realistic crimes and a terrible knack for personal vendettas, cruelty and sadism.
  • And as far as SPECTRE is concerned, gone are the old days of campyness. It's now a properly cut-throat organization dabbling in barbaric practices such as slavery, counterfeit drugs, terrorism, regime change, and utilizing a network of well-equipped agents to do its bidding from behind the scenes and to tilt events in SPECTRE's favor. And its leader is a far more ruthless and completely brutal Diabolical Mastermind who kills mooks left, right and center. What's even worse is that SPECTRE even managed to compromise British intelligence via an asset who's ready to hand them over the crown jewels of the world's intelligence services on a silver platter, and with this, they'll have the capability to act on and utilize regardless of who gets destroyed in the process. Overall, Blofeld is FAR MORE monstrous and tyrannical than any of his previous incarnations, and SPECTRE is more malignant and callous than previously depicted, as Blofeld runs it like an absolutely totalitarian dictator.

The issue is that both of these guys are in Adaptational Villainy but both are Complete Monster 's in the original material as well. That and Blofield killed Bond's wife in the original so you can't make an argument that there more personal here like this is trying to make while Embryo who comes from Cross Ange is a rapist and Omnicidial Maniac.

So uh is this an example considering both are pretty awful in the original source material as well.

edited 9th Apr '18 1:14:08 AM by miraculous

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I'm going to say cut those both. Not only is the Bond example as written way too dependent on hyping things up and Bold Inflation, I think the actual example in there is more like Darker and Edgier anyway. And while I know nothing about Embryo beyond what the Complete Monster cleanup thread has said about him, that entry is ridiculously bare-bones and, yeah, doesn't really sound noticeably "more evil" than a rapist omnicidal maniac.

edited 9th Apr '18 1:23:57 AM by nrjxll

Really want some input on this.

• "The Trial"
  • Blue Diamond has been waiting for centuries to find out the truth about Pink's death. It's half of the reason why she demands that Rose be tried, assigned a defense lawyer Zircon, and allowed make a statement.
    You'd Expect: She'd have given Defense Zircon enough time to find the truth, and to tell her that is her job, and not to find the defendant innocent or guilty.
    Instead: Defense Zircon has less than a minute to talk with her client. She's also been told by Yellow Diamond, or her manager, that if Steven is found guilty, then Defense Zircon will be shattered.
    The Result: Poor Defense Zircon is a Nervous Wreck through the trial and angry that her client isn't even trying to claim innocence, instead making a confession and asking for punishment. It's not until a random break happens, thanks to Blue Diamond's powers, and Steven finally admits that he doesn't know what exactly his mother did, that Defense Zircon starts pointing out the holes in Pink's death, and confirming Blue's suspicions. Even so, Blue doesn't get closure and "Rose Quartz" manages to escape with a human in tow.

You'd Also Expect: Given that the Diamond Authority has had thousands of years to investigate this issue which clearly weighs heavily on Blue Diamond's mind, and that there's nothing preventing them from visiting Earth whenever they want, that they would have sent an entire team of their most brilliant investigator's down to analyze the crime forensically.
Instead: Blue Zircon is the apparently the first person to notice the obvious flaw with the story that's been circulating for millennia.

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It's clear throughout the episode that while Blue wanted a trial, Yellow didn't, so Defense Zircon not having any time to talk with Steven seems to be more on her than on Blue. Also the example itself kinda gets a little derailed at the end.

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StFan: I don't think different converging chemicals in dragon breath counts as an example of Converging-Stream Weapon. How to Train Your Dragon even works exactly like a real flamethrower. The trope is about beams that essentially multiply their power with many inputs, not outright create power through conversion.

Whether comics are canon or not doesn't matter, since Chekhov's Skill doesn't apply if that skill hasn't shown up in that work. Comics and animation are different series, even if they share a continuity.

Sorry, missed that I hadn't responded to that writeup of that example again. Anyway, if the characters have different motivations than what the example claims, or motivations that contradict the example (or explain why it's not stupid), it's not an example. If a different character with a different motivation screws things up, that's not on the other character.

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I've played V and not seen Cross Ange, but that writeup is incorrect since there's another Greater-Scope Villain above even Embryo and given the game's format, what he's done is less explicit than in the original. But yeah. It's just splitting hairs. Given the scope of the game, claiming that's Adaptational Villainy means that it's literally impossible for him to not be Adaptational Heroism or Adaptational Villainy since the stakes are different (the game's setting is a multiverse so he's threatening three worlds, not one. It's not like he wouldn't threaten three worlds in the original if he could. He's an Omnicidal Maniac in both works, there's just more to omnicide in SRWV).

... kinda does remain impressive that he's still definitely a Complete Monster in a game where Yazan Gable is a good guy, and with at least... five other characters who were Complete Monsters in their home series.

edited 10th Apr '18 1:23:46 PM by Larkmarn

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From If It's You, It's Okay:

• In Pathfinder, this occasionally comes up.
  • Both the Reign of Winter and the Crusade of the Righteous adventure paths include a lesbian couple where one of the women was originally a male who underwent a Gender Bender with his lover's support.
  • Reign of Winter includes a non-sexual, optional variant, in that a player who pretends to be a Winter Wolf to get into the city of Howlings and who uses diplomacy on the female winter wolf guard there will have her start flirting with them, as she's looking for a mate. If they respond positively, and aren't a Jerkass about revealing the truth after things get serious, she doesn't care that they're really a human and wants to keep the relationship.

The first I'm not seeing where the example is. The second doesn't mention any kind of exclusivity. Neither has sufficient context to qualify as an example.

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From Esoteric Happy Ending:

• The ending of Weirdmageddon: Escape from Reality for Gravity Falls has Dipper successfully getting Mabel out of the bubble that supposedly, is hard to escape from unless they do so with their own will with Dipper reuniting with a sincere sibling hug. But the problem is, the reason that Dipper even managed to convince her to escape is the fact that he abandons his chance of becoming Ford's apprentice, meaning that Dipper sacrificed his happiness for Mabel again which ended up nullifying any (or if she even did so) Character Development that she received, particularly when you realized that Mabel doesn't even know why the whole Weirdmageddon happened in the first place.

I recall this being removed before (see history). It seems more like a single bit of Fridge Horror from and otherwise happy ending (not that it's arguably an ending as it's part of a multi-part episode). Thoughts?

Without knowing about the series it sounds weak. There are some claims to Character Development without pointing out why or how they're important to the example.

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Uh, cut that. First off, Dipper's "sacrifice" is part of the episode. That's not esoteric. It's just that, you know, stopping the end of the world as you know it is more important. And finally, this episode is part 2 in a 3 parter. It's not an ending at all.

It's just Mabel-bashing. And this is coming from someone who is annoyed at how the show does kind of coddle her.

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Is this Early-Installment Weirdness or Later-Installment Weirdness?

• Most pre-Renaissance Disney Animated Canon films fit under "Alternate Universe Hypothesis" or "Diegetic Hypothesis" when it comes to Musical World Hypothesis. The characters were actually singing most of the songs in-universe, while post-90s films instead mainly use "All in Their Head Hypothesis" or "Adaptation Hypothesis". The films were also usually not "Disney musicals" as people know today. The early princess films such as Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs and Cinderella had memorable however low-key songs and a low amount of large musical numbers, compared to works like Aladdin or Beauty And The Beast.

Neither. They're separate works created in separate eras.

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I've been thinking about adding this to the yandere film page, but I'm not sure if it qualifies.

In Killer Coach, Bryce becomes obsessed with his student Samantha after they engage in a one-night stand. He wants to pursue a more intimate relationship with her while she tries to create some distance. When she tries to formerly end things with him, he does whatever he can to keep her from getting away. He sabotages her relationship with her ex-boyfriend by showing him footage of their night together and threatens to expose an old case on her mother doing drugs if she tells her mother about their "relationship". He even forces her to reenact their night together, hoping that it will reignite her feelings for him, and almost drowns her when she rejects him in the climax.

What about in the grand scheme of Disney Animated Canon?

Would Not Good with Rejection potentially be a better fit?

That's a later construct, after the earlier era of works were already done. We're still talking about a collection of works, not a series, and most of those works weren't created with any kind of continuity in mind to begin with. Separate works, separate tones.

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What could I do to make the character sound more yandere-like? I did leave out instances where he texted her excessively and started stalking her after the one-night stand, but I wasn't sure if I would be over explaining the entry or not.

edited 11th Apr '18 3:15:02 PM by kataangluvr

Uh, a trope either is or isn't present. "How do I describe this so it fits" is basically shoehorning.

I meant how do I provide a proper example of the yandere trope. I seem to struggle in writing a proper example for it and I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. If I'm trying to make something out of nothing, then I will accept it and leave it be.

I apologize for sounding like I was trying to force the trope. I'm really not trying to shoehorn it in this example. I'm aware that there are people who misuse tropes and I want to avoid doing that myself.

edited 11th Apr '18 5:19:37 PM by kataangluvr

From Recap.Steven Universe S 5 E 15 Pool Hopping, since that's resolved in the next episode, does it count?

... I don't think it counts, since the series isn't over yet? But it being unresolved by story's end doesn't seem to be a requirement... And then there's this, from What Happened to the Mouse?:

edited 11th Apr '18 6:38:38 PM by Malady

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I'm not certain it applies either as, left open or not, the question's at least been addressed. At most I'd say it could be What Happened to the Mouse? until it does come back as a joke or triggered Chekhov's Gun.

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Could this fit as an example of Magical Eye, or does it fail because the eye itself is not (to date) inherently magical?

• Magical Girls in Sleepless Domain are marked with a Power Tattoo that indicates their powers and light up upon transformation. The mark can appear anywhere on the girl's body and one character, Zoe, has a flower shaped mark in her eye. Fans of Zoe's older sister ask her about the eye, such as if she can see out of it at all or if it can shoot lasers, but Zoe's too timid to give a proper answer so whether the eye itself is inherently magical beyond the mark left up in the air.

edited 11th Apr '18 8:37:40 PM by sgamer82