Is this an example?

Never mind.

edited 20th Nov '16 7:49:13 PM by dsneybuf

Would anyone say Vasquez from Aliens is an Amazonian Beauty? She looks extremely butch.

I'm not quite sure this proposed draft for My Country, Right or Wrong is an example, and if it is, how it is played.

• Defied in a strange way in Castle Town Dandelion. Aoi sees herself unacceptable for the throne owing to her Compelling Voice Royalty Superpower, which means there's a very high risk that this trope will be invoked if she became the Queen.

While she did talk about the disastrous combination of Compelling Voice and "inappropriate... directions and orders," the issues involving this are (1) it involves Compelling Voice, which means the person following the orders shouldn't have too much moral dillema; (2) it's from the perspective of a ruler (or precisely, a person who'd most certainly be one if she didn't decline) fearing this trope, and (3) I'm unsure whether this trope can be defied like that.

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I'm pretty sure butch doesn't mean ugly and an Amazonian Beauty needs to be portrayed as attractive. It isn't a matter of option. If no character says anything about her being attractive then she doesn't count.

Reposting from the previous page so it doesn't get lost:

Could someone take a look at these examples.

YMMV.Superman Earth One:

• Awesome Art: The first two volumes were drawn by Shane Davis, and they look beautiful. Ardian Syaf also proved himself a worthy replacement for volume 3.
• Base-Breaking Character
  • Clark Kent. Fans are conflicted over how "human" Superman should be, how sincere the Clark Kent identity is, his place as The Ace, and of course, accusations that he has to be dragged into saving the day instead of just being The Cape.
  • Jimmy Olsen. While he has a lot of fans (see Ensemble Dark Horse bellow), there are some (mostly Lois Lane fans) who think he's a Spot Light Stealing Squad and a Creator's Pet.
• Broken Base:
  • Several issues that are particularly contentious in the fanbase are: the change in the cause for Krypton's destruction (some hate the idea of it having an intergalactic conspiracy behind it as a Myth Arc), the occasional speechifying by characters, and from the fact that JMS is seen as a Scrappy Creator by several superfans (being the contested-author of Spider-Man's One More Day, and his abandoned runs on Superman with the Grounded story-arc and on Wonder Woman with the Odyssey story-arc.)
  • For fun, go to an online forum and argue about this comic being better or worse than Man of Steel or The New 52 Superman.
• Iron Woobie: Superman himself, considering the amount of things he has to endure in order to save the world.

The following Pokemon examples in Recurring Element:

" Bugs, Flying-type birds and Normal-type mammals (and a Dark-type mammal, in the case of odd-numbered generations, except in I where the type didn't exist yet) in the starting areas. "

"Every generation introduces at least one line of canine Pokémon. Ruby and Sapphire introduced two lines."

Opinions?

edited 23rd Nov '16 11:50:41 AM by MagBas

Does this character's outfit◊ qualify for French Maid Outfit?

Context: The character is Vizen Bercourt from Iono-sama Fanatics, who serves the eponymous character Iono (who is female, BTW) as the chief sobame (read: concubine) within a harem of 1000+ other sobame, specializing further as a Ninja Maid.

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I read it as French Maid Outfit being about the fanservice kind of outfit, rather than just any kind of maid-like outfit. So I don't think it fits.

That sounds too generic to me. The trope is about a specific thing that's iconic one way or another to the franchise. It's like saying there are elves in all parts of some fantasy series. The trope would be more like if there's always a red-headed elven blacksmith who forges one of the most powerful blades in a series, even if it's not actually the same character in any game.

edited 23rd Nov '16 2:11:54 PM by AnotherDuck

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I guess she doesn't qualify as a French Maid either, then. Or Meido, since she's not exactly Moe as usually exhibited by the typical example of the trope (she seems she'd a Cool Big Sis in personality if she had any appreciable interactions with the cast beyond her appearance in two chapters)... then again, being a maid (or just dressed like one, even if not a French Maid Outfit) on its own is often considered a Moe trait by a good portion of the anime/manga fandom.

edited 23rd Nov '16 3:38:11 PM by MarqFJA

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Okay, thanks.

Sounds like just a straight up Scullery Maid or Maid Attendant if the latter exists.

Does she do the whole goshujin-sama thing and such? If so Meido is probably correct.

edited 23rd Nov '16 8:53:57 PM by Memers

I beg to disagree on that acception on the Pokemon example: It is iconic and enforced by the franchise, out of any new 'mons introduced by any new generation, there will be ALWAYS ones that partake in that specific role.

For example, in the first route, there will ALWAYS be a certain mammal-like monster who will evolve fast enough, yet won't be able to properly carry its weight the whole game, and a bird-like monster which will be able to do a more consistent job than the mammal, despite being outclassed by latter 'mons. There are also insect-like monsters whose only saving grace is a very early evolution, and, on the opposite end, there is also always a weak draconic monster, which will take plenty of time to evolve, but once fully evolved it is among the strongest Pokemon in the game.

So yeah, the species work as a Recurring Element. Presenting a truncated story, and using a single post as sole explanation (and editing reasoning, on top of all) is not an agreed upon edit, specially when there was agreement of that in the talk page, years ago.

Oh no, she's pretty much obviously playing the role of "head maid" or butler... though she does seem to have qualifications as a valet. Her first appearance sees her take care of dusting off the floor while her mistress is trying to seduce her newest sobame (who is also the protagonist) in the background, and her comment about whether she should make sekihan near the end of her debut chapter implies that she also does cooking.

Otherwise, she's explicitly the epitome of Authority Equals Asskicking / Asskicking Equals Authority within Iono's harem. She ranks above every other sobame, makes sure that peace is kept within the harem (which is no easy job; Iono's prolonged departure from her country in the story eventually led to civil war threatening to erupt between a "must bring Iono-sama back whatever the means" faction and a "must wait patiently for Iono-sama to come back no matter how long it takes her" faction, and even Vizen finds it difficult to pacify them without being there 24/7, thus why her in-story appearance in Japan was so brief), and also that the most dangerous threats to her mistress must pass through her first, since she's the strongest fighter in the entire harem (and cast, incidentally).

... Well, she's very respectful and dutiful towards her mistress Iono. And graceful, too. Not sure if she does call Iono "goshujin-sama", though; aside from "Iono-sama", in the fan-translation pretty much everyone calls Iono "Her Majesty" or some variant thereof, which makes sense as she's a queen rather than a mere noblewoman.

edited 24th Nov '16 1:11:53 PM by MarqFJA

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I'm with . The series has obvious and specific Mon archetypes that show up in each game.

To give a couple more examples, there's usually 2 new Pokémon in most installments that you can get from Fossil Revival that are always Rock-types. There's also always a third Legendary tucked away somewhere to go with the 2 Legendaries on the box art and is tied to them in the lore in some capacity.

edited 24th Nov '16 12:09:24 PM by Karxrida

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It works as an example if it's written as being specific enough of a pattern. This is one case where you really need all the necessary context for it to work as an example.

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The Harry Potter franchise has two fantastical examples of Reckless Gun Usage:

• In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Mad-Eye Moody berates Harry for putting his wand in his pocket and putting himself at risk of having a buttox blown off.
• A monkey steals a wand in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and almost immediately points the wand at itself, shooting a spell in his face.

Wands are often compared to firearms and both of these examples are clearly violations of real life gun safety rules. Do these examples then qualify for this trope?

About the specific thing... most generations actually have two mammalian pokemon- generally Normal-type- in their first route and at least two generations have no bird-like pokemon in their first route(generation II have two).

edited 24th Nov '16 2:07:07 PM by MagBas

Well, I'm not familiar with it, so I'd like to see a properly written example (or examples as it seems to be several of them) with all context that applies to the trope.

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I'd like to ask what trope can define the following example: It has to do with the chapters' title of a novel.

The novel is If On A Winters Night A Traveler. The main story is a framing device in which the protagonist reads the beginning of ten unfinished novels. Every novel has a long and flowery title (If On A Winter's Night A Traveler is the title of the first one) which is also the first sentence of the text. The ten titles, put together, form a complete sentence which is also the first paragraph of a new story.

Which trope fits this example? I thought Idiosyncratic Episode Naming but I'm not sure.

(If this kind of questions does not belong here, I apologize, and please move it in the appropriate place).

EDIT: I'm sorry, I've seen now that the example was already listed in the work's page under the trope Arc Words. Please ignore my question.

edited 24th Nov '16 2:51:28 PM by YourBloodyValentine

Can Disappointed by the Motive apply to criminals attempting to break out of jail for trivial reasons? The work they're from is meant to be a comedy (at first anyway) and so they're not exactly full-on villains.

edited 24th Nov '16 7:09:27 PM by LegitimateIdiot

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So long as someone that opposes them is disappointed by their reasoning, it should fit. What work are you talking about?

Nanbaka, and yes, in this case, the warden and a prison guard of the jail the criminals are currently incarcerated in are appalled by their weird-ass reasoning to break out of previous jails.

edited 24th Nov '16 7:08:52 PM by LegitimateIdiot

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In that case, it seems like a perfectly reasonable example.

Would this hypothetical situation qualify as a Minimalist Cast example?

An episode of ABC's Criminal Procedural The Catch (a Police Procedural of sorts and The Caper type show) features only the following characters (4 protagonists, 1 minor character):

- Alice Vaughan (the Protagonist )

- Valerie Anderson

- Danny Yoon

- Sophie Novak

- Holly (previously part of The Kensington Firm but now has made a Heel–Face Turn - she is a minor character anyway in the show within the canon currently - but for the sake of this continuity, she's now part of the main team.)

celebrating Christmas at a party during a Christmas Episode (perhaps an office party or at a restaurant).

No other characters in the show appear apart from in archive footage as flashbacks, but not physically in the episode itself. There are extras but they're blurred due to soft-focus filming.

Would this qualify as a Minimalist Cast or Economy Cast, and a Bottle Episode (because of the locations?) and a justified example of The Main Characters Do Everything as a trope?

Try writing that as an example; I don't see enough context to identify it as a trope.

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