YMMV / Super Paper Mario

  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: Luvbi, although she ultimately survives.
  • Alternate Character Interpretation: It doesn't have much bearing on the story, but your individual interpretation of exactly how smart Dimentio is can be very easily swayed if you choose not to believe his I Meant to Do That claim after Dimension D ends up increasing your power as well as his own. This can have a little Fridge Brilliance to it if you agree with Tippi's theory that Dimentio is a psychopath. While many Real Life psychopaths are incredibly talented manipulators, they also tend to be impulsive and have trouble thinking their actions all the way through.
  • Anti-Climax Boss:
    • Bonechill, the Chapter 7 boss. He's the leader of the Skellobit invasion, implied to be the Mario equivalent of Satan, and personally attacked Grambi...but he's a serious pushover. Sure, you can only hurt his head, and only Luigi can attack the head (unless you do some fancy exploits involving Thudley and mercy invincibility). However, it's possible to use Luigi's super jump (which does double damage when used as an attack) and go through Bonechill's head, and the ceiling is high enough that if you do that, you can Goomba Stomp Bonechill's head afterwards. Multiple times. Now recall that Bonechill has 80 HP. If you kill most of the enemies you can (and got the Power Plus in Flopside), you should have around 8-10 attack. End result: Bonechill goes down in a few seconds, singlehandedly taking the title of the easiest boss in the game. It's even worse if you played the previous two games before this, as the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0, the other Chapter 7 bosses, were rather challenging bosses.
    • If you have Luigi when you battle Wracktail, he's easier than Fracktail, since you can just super jump the horn, and when Wracktail does a loop, timing a jump with Luigi may allow you to land on the dragon again without having to go through the ground phase.
      • Peach makes jumping the loop even easier, and it's even possible to land right back on top of the horn without switching back to Luigi.
    • Shadoo can be this if you're at a high enough level when you get to him. And considering what comes before him, that's not all that unlikely. Shadoo's fighting methods are easily countered by spamming Bowser's Fire Breath.
    • Peach's ability to completely negate damage with her umbrella takes a lot of bite out of the game if you're skilled enough. A common strategy for Brobot L-Type is simply to bomb his feet and then hide.
  • Awesome Music: See AwesomeMusic.Paper Mario.
  • Best Level Ever: Chapter 3, with its pixel-like art design, getting a lot of useful Pixls, and especially Francis and using him to poke fun at Otaku people.
    • Chapter 8 as well, thanks to its amazing atmosphere, being one of the more challenging parts of the game, the Duel Boss fights at the end of each part, and of course, the final battle against Count Bleck which is then followed by...
  • Best Boss Ever: Super Dimentio. Although he's not as hard as the previous games' endbosses, he's immensely fun to fight against, with some really crazy attacks, moves, and has The Ultimate Show blaring in the background. Not to mention that you're basically fighting LUIGI of all people even though he's being possessed by Dimentio, obviously.
    • The first major boss, Fracktail, is pretty awesome as well. It's a Background Boss that, the moment it attacks you, you have to flip dimensions to jump into his back, and then you have to throw objects into its core at his head to harm it, making for a pretty cool, if somewhat easy fight.
  • Broken Base: The game is very divisive among fans of the previous games.
    • Is the gameplay genuinely fun or too easy?
    • This installment of the franchise is vastly more story-heavy, with large quantities of text. Is that good, bad, or ugly?
    • The story itself can be rather divisive. Is it a genuinely good entry in what is usually a story-light franchise, or does it not mesh with the franchise at all?
  • Complete Monster: Dimentio masquerades as a humorous henchman under Count Bleck's employ, while secretly harboring more sinister designs. Dimentio subtly manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal, that being to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a beautiful new one under his total control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, murders Mario and his friends and sends them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Bleck's Dragon Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to destroy everything as an act of spite. Dimentio performed horrid acts with flamboyant abandon and saw everybody as little more than a chess piece to play; ultimately, his remorselessly destructive actions cemented him as the prime monster of the Paper Mario franchise.
  • Contested Sequel: The shift away from RPG gameplay to traditional platforming causes this reaction among players. While most would agree that Super is a good game with a great storyline, whether it is a worthy successor to the previous games is another matter entirely.
  • Creepy Cute: Despite being a large source of Nightmare Fuel, Mimi has a relatively large following.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Despite his inhuman actions, Dimentio is likely one of the most popular villains in the franchise and has oodles of fans willing to excuse his atrocities because he's suave, and for that matter hilarious.
  • Enjoy the Story, Skip the Game: While the gameplay is divisive as described above, almost everyone agrees this game has one of the best stories of all the Mario RPGs, and most of its characters are incredibly popular.
  • Evil is Cool: Luigi is pretty cool on his own, but Mr. L is Luigi working for the villains after encountering Dimentio. That's pretty awesome.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • It's widely speculated that Mimi is the Pixl Queen, the flawed original attempt at creating a Pixl that turned out evil. And also that she's the result of a witch's experiments to try and create a potion that allows the drinker to shapeshift.
      • Another likely contender for that role is Shadoo, Bonus Boss at the bottom of the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials, who plans on killing and replacing the Four Heroes and using their Pixls to take revenge on the Ancients.
    • A theory on Dimentio is that he wrote the Dark Prognisticus (which would make him pretty old.) There's also the question as to why Tippi recognizes him the first time she sees him. He's also possibly the son of the guy who first created the Pixls, with his daughter being the one who, outraged at his treatment of the Pixls, became the Pixl Queen and led the Pixls to war against the Ancients. The son vanished as a result of this debacle. If all of the above is true, that means that Mimi and Dimentio are siblings. Holy crap.
    • It's also theorized that Dimentio is Merloo (or perhaps his descendant), one of the four sages in the Tribe of Ancients. Both are described as being powerful, dimension-controlling magicians. If Merloo and Dimentio are the same person, this means that Dimentio was a leader of the Tribe of Ancients, and he wrote both the Dark and Light Prognosticus.
  • Fanon: Some have taken the puffed up and aggressive Mr. L character from this game and mutated him into Luigi's darker, brooding alter ego, with all the standard trimmings.
  • Faux Symbolism:
    • Chapter 7 is full of it, such as the forbidden apple that brings trouble when eaten, the chapter boss being a former Nimbi who was exiled to the Underwhere, the Nimbis' battle with the Skellobits, and the fact that the daughter of a seemingly deistic figure sacrifices herself to save the universe.
    • Heroes foretold by a prophecy as Chosen Ones. Chapter 7 pushes it even further, as those same heroes are killed and come back even stronger from both Hell and Heaven.
    • In Sammer's Kingdom, you might notice lycoris flowers growing along the path. In legends, they're often believed to grow when people who meet shall never see each other again. Pretty epic foreshadowing for The End of the World as We Know It.
    • The original Pixl created by the Ancients rebelled against her creators and tried to bring about a rebellion only to fail and be cast out. So, Pixl Satan.
  • Game Breaker:
    • In an already relatively easy game, using Carrie with Bowser (plus Bone-In Cut and other power-upgrading items) means that the game almost becomes a complete joke, since Bowser is normally a Mighty Glacier, but using Carrie while controlling Bowser turns him into an unstoppable Lightning Bruiser, especially in higher levels.
    • There's also Peach using her umbrella as a helmet when crouching, which makes her entirely immune to damage.
    • Dottie allows your character to become really small, with the bonus effect of enemies not being able to see you. What makes this a game breaker is that you retain the damage stat you have at normal size. In the Flipside and Flopside Pits of 100 Trials, this can allow you to clear multiple floors without fear of dealing with cramped corridors or enemies with projectiles, saving you a lot of health.
  • Goddamned Boss: Francis. His attacks are pretty easy to avoid, but the small window of time he's visible and vulnerable, combined with the fact that you can only tell where he is while invisible by flipping and can't see to the left while in 3D mode, means you may be fighting him for quite a while.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • If you beat Shadoo in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials, you get a post-battle comment, unique to whichever character you were using. Luigi's line is "Even if he was a fake... I don't ever wanna fight my Bro again!". All well and good if you go through the Pit after completing the game, but, though difficult, it can also be completed before fighting Super Dimentio.
    • Bowser says at one point that he "can't keep with plot points being this complicated". Fast forward to 2012, and you learn that the new Paper Mario game has a barebones story.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Turns out that if Bowser and Peach were to marry, the universe DOES implode.
    • One of the items on Francis' wish list is a Tanooki Suit with real tanooki fur. When the suit made an official return in Super Mario 3D Land, PETA threw a hissy fit over wearing tanooki fur.
    • In some of the levels, there are cracks that appear to be scattered over the universe. Skip to 2010, and cracks in the universe are featured in Doctor Who.
  • It's Easy, so It Sucks: Aside from the unexpectedly changed gameplay, this is one of the two main complaints thrown at this game. While the previous games weren't particularly hard (unless you apply Self Imposed Challenges, they weren't exactly easy either, as they had several difficult moments, most notably Paper Marios Huff n' Puff and The Thousand-Year Doors Final Boss.) Due to the enemies' relatively low health, coupled with a broken levelling system and many Game Breakers, most bosses being pushovers, and that the "strategy" of most battles amounts to doing the Goomba Stomp over and over, on top of the lack of badges meaning that there's no easy way to do a Self-Imposed Challenge beyond only playing as Mario for most of the game and not using some Pixls, and you have some good reasons why some people dislike Super Paper Marios gameplay. That said, the levels themselves can be fairly challenging at times, especially in comparison to most bosses.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Count Bleck may be an Omnicidal Maniac, but he's also both a genuine Benevolent Boss to his minions — giving them hope after their various Despair Event Horizons, no less — and a Tragic Villain who snapped after his father's Disproportionate Retribution against Tippi. The fact that he not only wants to be defeated out of remorse, but also seemingly sacrifices himself to undo everything he started doesn't hurt, either.
    • Why did King Croacus invoke Brainwashed and Crazy on the Cragnons? Because they polluted his people's water and drove him nuts.
  • Narm:
    • The use of the term "Ending your/my game" is a bit silly during one of the more dramatic parts of game (when Count Bleck had lost the will to live and asks you to finish him off). Of course, Never Say "Die" isn't always in effect in the game (particularly Wracktail's line, "I shall punish you...with death!").
    • Of course, Bleck appears before you in Sammer's Kingdom and goes into a bit of Evil Gloating about how you can't possibly save the world, afterward the Sammer Guy you defeated just before this.... speaks entirely in all-caps Hulk Speak. If you leave the room and come back, he'll say he told the king about it, but since he was fast enough to get there and back that quickly, you have to ask why he didn't just bring the Pure Heart back with him.
    • At one point, Tippi uses the word "discombobulated" in a serious sentence.
    • The end of Chapter 7 in the third game is probably one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the series. When you're told that you can take the final Pure Heart, if you're playing as Luigi at the moment, he responds simply with, "Okey-dokey." Worst part being that the boss leading to that cutscene isn't the hardest boss, but is a total push over with Luigi, so if you know this, you probably were playing as Luigi.
    • Admittedly, some people might find Bleck professing his love to a technicolored Pixl butterfly at the end kind of hard to take seriously, even if it is a Paper Mario game.
    • Nastasia's final (or close to it) line in the game: "Let's pencil in an appointment of hope." They really couldn't bring themselves to drop the office speak for that one moment? However, this is Narm Charm for some fans, who feel it's a perfectly in-character way for her to express herself like that.
    • Nolrem's response to the end of all worlds approaching when Super Dimentio takes control of the Chaos Heart is simply "...How unfortunate."
  • The Scrappy: Luvbi, due to her attitude. That didn't stop players from crying over her Disney Death.
    • To some extent, Francis, as he spends a good part straddling the line between a parody of hardcore nerds/geeks/otakus and insult, and sometimes he jumps over into "insult" territory. Or worse, a reminder of actual fellow nerds they'd rather not have met.
  • Tear Jerker: Over here.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Those who wanted the usual RPG weren't exactly happy with this game.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Bonechill has an excellent setup for an Ensemble Darkhorse That One Boss: being a Shown Their Work Satanic Archetype, managing to invoke a Hell Invades Heaven Near Villain Victory, and following in the footsteps of the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0 (Lord Crump). Instead, he's ultimately just an Anti-Climax Boss who's practically forgotten-about almost immediately after his defeat. Granted, The Void is far more pressing at the moment, but it still just seems like a complete waste of a potential Villain of Another Story.
  • Tough Act to Follow: Coming off of the much-loved Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, this game already had an uphill battle ahead of it with its sudden shift to action RPG rather than the usual turn-based battle.
  • True Art Is Angsty: The story is widely viewed as the game's best part, and the best story to come out of the Mario franchise. It's far and away the darkest, loaded with tragedy, and take a high price for the otherwise happy ending.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about The End of the World as We Know It...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still incredibly selfish and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus actually invoked With Great Power Comes Great Insanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and then deciding to indirectly help Mario and co. defeat him.
  • Viewer Gender Confusion: King Croacus. It's implied that Floro Sapiens have no sexual dimorphism. All four paintings of the former rulers look exactly the same except for coloring, the second of which is confirmed as female.
  • Vindicated by History: This game was met with a Broken Base when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, especially with the release of Sticker Star which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which Super still felt like a true Paper Mario game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a Vocal Minority at this point. Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Paper Mario: Color Splash have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike Sticker Star and Color Splash, which ditched it almost entirely as well.
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