History YMMV / SuperPaperMario

6th Sep '16 2:45:50 PM Sammettik
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** It's also possible that Dimentio is [[http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Merloo Merloo]] (or perhaps his descendant), one of the four sages in the Tribe of Ancients. Both are described as being powerful, dimension-controlling magicians, and both wrote one of the Prognostici. If Merloo and Dimentio are the same person, this means that Dimentio was a leader of the Tribe of Ancients, and he wrote both the Dark and Light Prognosticus.

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** It's also possible theorized that Dimentio is [[http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Merloo Merloo]] (or perhaps his descendant), one of the four sages in the Tribe of Ancients. Both are described as being powerful, dimension-controlling magicians, and both wrote one of the Prognostici.magicians. If Merloo and Dimentio are the same person, this means that Dimentio was a leader of the Tribe of Ancients, and he wrote both the Dark and Light Prognosticus.
5th Sep '16 12:20:21 AM rjd1922
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which Super still felt like a true Paper Mario game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about.

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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which Super ''Super'' still felt like a true Paper Mario ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about.
3rd Sep '16 2:53:07 PM Peridonyx
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Bonechill has an excellent setup for an EnsembleDarkhorse ThatOneBoss: being a ShownTheirWork SatanicArchetype, managing to invoke a HellInvadesHeaven NearVillainVictory, and following in the footsteps of the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0 (Lord Crump). Instead, he's ultimately just an AntiClimaxBoss who's practically forgotten-about almost immediately after his defeat. Granted, The Void is far more pressing at the moment, but it still just seems like a complete waste of a potential VillainOfAnotherStory.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and deciding to indirectly help Mario & co. defeat him.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus actually invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and then deciding to indirectly help Mario & and co. defeat him.
1st Sep '16 9:03:17 AM Peridonyx
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and deciding to indirectly help Mario & co. defeat him.
24th Aug '16 12:50:22 PM PrincessGwen
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: Aside from the unexpectedly changed gameplay, this is one of the two main complaints thrown at this game. While the previous games weren't particularly hard (unless you apply {{Self Imposed Challenge}}s, they weren't exactly easy either, as they had several difficult moments, most notably ''Paper Mario''s Huff n' Puff and ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s FinalBoss.) Due to the enemies' relatively low health, coupled with a broken levelling system and many {{Game Breaker}}s, most bosses being [[AntiClimaxBoss pushovers,]] and that the "strategy" of most battles amounts to doing the GoombaStomp over and over, on top of the lack of badges meaning that there's no easy way to do a SelfImposedChallenge beyond only playing as Mario for most of the game and not using some Pixls, and you have some good reasons why some people dislike ''Super Paper Mario'''s gameplay. That said, the levels themselves can be fairly challenging at times, [[HardLevelsEasyBosses especially in comparison to most bosses.]]

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* ItsEasySoItSucks: Aside from the unexpectedly changed gameplay, this is one of the two main complaints thrown at this game. While the previous games weren't particularly hard (unless you apply {{Self Imposed Challenge}}s, they weren't exactly easy either, as they had several difficult moments, most notably ''Paper Mario''s Huff n' Puff and ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s Door''s FinalBoss.) Due to the enemies' relatively low health, coupled with a broken levelling system and many {{Game Breaker}}s, most bosses being [[AntiClimaxBoss pushovers,]] and that the "strategy" of most battles amounts to doing the GoombaStomp over and over, on top of the lack of badges meaning that there's no easy way to do a SelfImposedChallenge beyond only playing as Mario for most of the game and not using some Pixls, and you have some good reasons why some people dislike ''Super Paper Mario'''s Mario''s gameplay. That said, the levels themselves can be fairly challenging at times, [[HardLevelsEasyBosses especially in comparison to most bosses.]]
24th Aug '16 12:48:48 PM PrincessGwen
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: Aside from the unexpectedly changed gameplay, this is one of the two main complaints thrown at this game. While the previous games weren't particularly hard (unless you apply {{Self Imposed Challenge}}s, they weren't exactly easy either, as they had several difficult moments, most notably ''Paper Mario''s Huff n' Puff and ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s FinalBoss. Due to the enemies' relative low health, coupled with a broken levelling system and many {{Game Breaker}}s, most bosses being [[AntiClimaxBoss pushovers,]] and that the "strategy" of most battles amounts to doing the GoombaStomp over and over, on top of the lack of badges meaning that there's no easy way to do a SelfImposedChallenge beyond only playing as Mario for most of the game and not using some Pixls, and you have some good reasons why some people dislike ''Super Paper Mario''s gameplay. That said, the levels themselves can be fairly challenging at times, [[HardLevelsEasyBosses especially in comparison to most bosses.]]

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* ItsEasySoItSucks: Aside from the unexpectedly changed gameplay, this is one of the two main complaints thrown at this game. While the previous games weren't particularly hard (unless you apply {{Self Imposed Challenge}}s, they weren't exactly easy either, as they had several difficult moments, most notably ''Paper Mario''s Huff n' Puff and ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s FinalBoss. ) Due to the enemies' relative relatively low health, coupled with a broken levelling system and many {{Game Breaker}}s, most bosses being [[AntiClimaxBoss pushovers,]] and that the "strategy" of most battles amounts to doing the GoombaStomp over and over, on top of the lack of badges meaning that there's no easy way to do a SelfImposedChallenge beyond only playing as Mario for most of the game and not using some Pixls, and you have some good reasons why some people dislike ''Super Paper Mario''s Mario'''s gameplay. That said, the levels themselves can be fairly challenging at times, [[HardLevelsEasyBosses especially in comparison to most bosses.]]



** Of course, Bleck appears before you in Sammer's Kingdom and goes into a bit of EvilGloating about how you can't possibly save the world, afterward the Sammer Guy you defeated just before this.... Speaks entirely in all-caps HulkSpeak. If you leave the room and come back, he'll say he told the king about it, but since he was fast enough to get there and back that quickly, you have to ask why he didn't just bring the Pure Heart back with him.

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** Of course, Bleck appears before you in Sammer's Kingdom and goes into a bit of EvilGloating about how you can't possibly save the world, afterward the Sammer Guy you defeated just before this.... Speaks speaks entirely in all-caps HulkSpeak. If you leave the room and come back, he'll say he told the king about it, but since he was fast enough to get there and back that quickly, you have to ask why he didn't just bring the Pure Heart back with him.



** The end of chapter 7 in the third game is probably one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the series. When you're told that you can take the final Pure Heart, if you're playing as Luigi at the moment, he responds simply with, "Okey-dokey." Worst part being that the boss leading to that cutscene isn't the hardest boss, but is a total push over with Luigi, so if you know this, ''you probably were playing as Luigi.''
** Admittedly, some people might find Bleck [[spoiler:professing his love to a technicoloured Pixl butterfly]] at the end kind of hard to take seriously, even if it is a ''Paper Mario'' game.

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** The end of chapter Chapter 7 in the third game is probably one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the series. When you're told that you can take the final Pure Heart, if you're playing as Luigi at the moment, he responds simply with, "Okey-dokey." Worst part being that the boss leading to that cutscene isn't the hardest boss, but is a total push over with Luigi, so if you know this, ''you probably were playing as Luigi.''
** Admittedly, some people might find Bleck [[spoiler:professing his love to a technicoloured technicolored Pixl butterfly]] at the end kind of hard to take seriously, even if it is a ''Paper Mario'' game.



* ToughActToFollow: Coming off of the much-loved ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', this game already had an uphill battle ahead of it with its sudden shift to action RPG rather then the usual turn-based battle.

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* ToughActToFollow: Coming off of the much-loved ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', this game already had an uphill battle ahead of it with its sudden shift to action RPG rather then than the usual turn-based battle.
18th Aug '16 11:54:59 AM PrincessGwen
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognostics to bring about TheEndAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognostics Prognosticus to bring about TheEndAsWeKnowIt...TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy.
18th Aug '16 10:56:15 AM TheLuckyCat
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognostics to bring about TheEndAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy.
27th Jul '16 9:47:26 AM PrincessGwen
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** The first major boss, Fracktail, is pretty awesome as well. It's a BackgroundBoss that, the moment it attacks you, you have to flip dimensions to jump into his back, and then you have to throw objects into it's core at his head to harm it, making for a pretty cool, if somewhat easy fight.

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** The first major boss, Fracktail, is pretty awesome as well. It's a BackgroundBoss that, the moment it attacks you, you have to flip dimensions to jump into his back, and then you have to throw objects into it's its core at his head to harm it, making for a pretty cool, if somewhat easy fight.
27th Jul '16 8:22:35 AM SergeBernhardt
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** The first major boss, Fracktail, is pretty awesome as well. It's a BackgroundBoss that, the moment it attacks you, you have to flip dimensions to jump into his back, and then you have to throw objects into it's core at his head to harm it, making for a pretty cool, if somewhat easy fight.
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