History YMMV / SuperPaperMario

3rd Jan '17 9:46:23 PM JordanTH
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*** Peach makes jumping the loop even easier, and it's even possible to land right back on top of the horn without switching back to Luigi.
21st Dec '16 12:54:58 PM MegaMarioMan
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It doesn't have much bearing on the story, but your individual interpretation of exactly how smart Dimentio is can be very easily swayed if you choose not to believe his IMeantToDoThat claim after Dimension D ends up increasing your power as well as his own. [[spoiler: This can have a little FridgeBrilliance to it if you agree with Tippi's theory that Dimentio is a psychopath. While many RealLife psychopaths are incredibly talented manipulators, they also tend to be impulsive and have trouble thinking their actions all the way through]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It doesn't have much bearing on the story, but your individual interpretation of exactly how smart Dimentio is can be very easily swayed if you choose not to believe his IMeantToDoThat claim after Dimension D ends up increasing your power as well as his own. [[spoiler: This [[spoiler:This can have a little FridgeBrilliance to it if you agree with Tippi's theory that Dimentio is a psychopath. While many RealLife psychopaths are incredibly talented manipulators, they also tend to be impulsive and have trouble thinking their actions all the way through]].



** Bonechill, the Chapter 7 boss. He's the leader of the Skellobit invasion, implied to be the Mario equivalent of Satan, and personally attacked Grambi...but is a serious pushover. Sure, you can only hurt his head, and Thoreau and Luigi can only attack the head...however, get them both out, then have Luigi super jump. You'll deal double damage from the jump, but what really does it is how you can repeatedly bounce on his head. If you don't kill him the first jump, if you can use Thoreau, do it, then super jump. Let's get a little more specific: Bonechill has 80 HP. If one is to kill most of the enemies you can and got the Power Plus, you should have around 8-10 attack. And super jumping deals double damage...yeah... Bonechill becomes the easiest boss in the game, and he's a late game boss who was designed to make a great emotional impact. It's even worse if you played the previous two games before this, as the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0, the other Chapter 7 bosses, were rather challenging bosses.
** If you have Luigi when you battle Wracktail, he's easier than Fracktail, since you can just super jump the horn. Otherwise...not so much.

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** Bonechill, the Chapter 7 boss. He's the leader of the Skellobit invasion, implied to be the Mario equivalent of Satan, and personally attacked Grambi...but is he's a serious pushover. Sure, you can only hurt his head, and Thoreau and only Luigi can only attack the head...however, get them both out, then have Luigi head (unless you do some fancy exploits involving Thudley and mercy invincibility). However, it's possible to use Luigi's super jump. You'll deal jump (which does double damage from when used as an attack) and go through Bonechill's head, and the jump, but what really does it ceiling is how high enough that if you do that, you can repeatedly bounce on his head. If you don't kill him the first jump, if you can use Thoreau, do it, then super jump. Let's get a little more specific: GoombaStomp Bonechill's head afterwards. Multiple times. Now recall that Bonechill has 80 HP. If one is to you kill most of the enemies you can and (and got the Power Plus, Plus in Flopside), you should have around 8-10 attack. And super jumping deals double damage...yeah... End result: Bonechill becomes goes down in a few seconds, singlehandedly taking the title of the easiest boss in the game, and he's a late game boss who was designed to make a great emotional impact.game. It's even worse if you played the previous two games before this, as the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0, the other Chapter 7 bosses, were rather challenging bosses.
** If you have Luigi when you battle Wracktail, he's easier than Fracktail, since you can just super jump the horn. Otherwise...not so much.horn, and when Wracktail does a loop, timing a jump with Luigi may allow you to land on the dragon ''again'' without having to go through the ground phase.



* BestBossEver: [[FinalBoss Super Dimentio.]] Although he's not as hard as the previous games' endbosses, he's immensely fun to fight against, with some really crazy attacks, moves, and has [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome The Ultimate Show blaring in the background.]] Not to mention that you're basically fighting [[spoiler:LUIGI]] of all people [[spoiler: even though he's being possessed by Dimentio, obviously]].

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* BestBossEver: [[FinalBoss Super Dimentio.]] Although he's not as hard as the previous games' endbosses, he's immensely fun to fight against, with some really crazy attacks, moves, and has [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome The Ultimate Show blaring in the background.]] Not to mention that you're basically fighting [[spoiler:LUIGI]] of all people [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:even though he's being possessed by Dimentio, obviously]].



* EvilIsCool: Luigi is pretty cool on his own, but Mr. L is Luigi possessed by Dimento. That's ''pretty awesome''.

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* EvilIsCool: Luigi is pretty cool on his own, but Mr. L is Luigi possessed by Dimento.working for the villains after encountering Dimentio. That's ''pretty awesome''.



** Dimentio thanks his [[LaughablyEvil hilarious personality]] and [[MagnificentBastard manipulative skills]].

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** Dimentio too, thanks to his [[LaughablyEvil hilarious personality]] and [[MagnificentBastard manipulative skills]].



* GameBreaker: In an already relatively easy game, using Carrie with Bowser (plus Bone-In Cut and other power-upgrading items) means that the game almost becomes a complete joke, since Bowser is normally a MightyGlacier, but using Carrie while controlling Bowser turns him into an unstoppable LightningBruiser, especially in higher levels.

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* GameBreaker: GameBreaker:
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In an already relatively easy game, using Carrie with Bowser (plus Bone-In Cut and other power-upgrading items) means that the game almost becomes a complete joke, since Bowser is normally a MightyGlacier, but using Carrie while controlling Bowser turns him into an unstoppable LightningBruiser, especially in higher levels.



** Dottie allows your character to become really small, with the bonus effect of enemies not being able to see you. What makes this a game breaker is that you retain the damage stat you have at normal size. In the Flipside and Flopside Pits of 100 Trials, this can allow you to clear multiple floors without fear of dealing with cramped corridors or enemies with projectiles, saving you a lot of health.



* HarsherInHindsight: If you beat [[spoiler: Shadoo]] in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials, you get a post-battle comment, unique to whichever character you were using. Luigi's line is "Even if he was a fake... [[spoiler:I don't ever wanna fight my Bro]] again!". All well and good if you go through the Pit after completing the game, but, though difficult, it can also be completed ''before'' [[spoiler: fighting Super Dimentio.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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If you beat [[spoiler: Shadoo]] [[spoiler:Shadoo]] in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials, you get a post-battle comment, unique to whichever character you were using. Luigi's line is "Even if he was a fake... [[spoiler:I don't ever wanna fight my Bro]] again!". All well and good if you go through the Pit after completing the game, but, though difficult, it can also be completed ''before'' [[spoiler: fighting [[spoiler:fighting Super Dimentio.]]
17th Nov '16 10:13:21 PM IshiMatsu615
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%%** That's the strange part. The game will alternate between playing straight and averting NeverSayDie. In the original ''[[VideoGame/PaperMario64 Paper Mario's]]'''s 7th chapter, an author is accused of being a serial killer who bases his novels on his own murders. In this game, Bleck outright says that you'll die with the world you're currently in. Since Chapter 7 in this game is basically the afterlife, it's probably a joke most of the time.
22nd Oct '16 7:39:05 AM SergeBernhardt
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', which ditched it almost entirely.

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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', which ditched it almost entirely.entirely as well.
22nd Oct '16 7:38:54 AM SergeBernhardt
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about.

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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', which ditched it almost entirely.
4th Oct '16 12:17:10 PM Riley1sCool
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* EvilIsCool: Luigi is pretty cool on his own, but Mr. L is Luigi possessed by Dimento. That's ''pretty awesome''.
6th Sep '16 2:45:50 PM Sammettik
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** It's also possible that Dimentio is [[http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Merloo Merloo]] (or perhaps his descendant), one of the four sages in the Tribe of Ancients. Both are described as being powerful, dimension-controlling magicians, and both wrote one of the Prognostici. If Merloo and Dimentio are the same person, this means that Dimentio was a leader of the Tribe of Ancients, and he wrote both the Dark and Light Prognosticus.

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** It's also possible theorized that Dimentio is [[http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Merloo Merloo]] (or perhaps his descendant), one of the four sages in the Tribe of Ancients. Both are described as being powerful, dimension-controlling magicians, and both wrote one of the Prognostici.magicians. If Merloo and Dimentio are the same person, this means that Dimentio was a leader of the Tribe of Ancients, and he wrote both the Dark and Light Prognosticus.
5th Sep '16 12:20:21 AM rjd1922
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which Super still felt like a true Paper Mario game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about.

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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which Super ''Super'' still felt like a true Paper Mario ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about.
3rd Sep '16 2:53:07 PM Peridonyx
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Bonechill has an excellent setup for an EnsembleDarkhorse ThatOneBoss: being a ShownTheirWork SatanicArchetype, managing to invoke a HellInvadesHeaven NearVillainVictory, and following in the footsteps of the Crystal King and Magnus von Grapple 2.0 (Lord Crump). Instead, he's ultimately just an AntiClimaxBoss who's practically forgotten-about almost immediately after his defeat. Granted, The Void is far more pressing at the moment, but it still just seems like a complete waste of a potential VillainOfAnotherStory.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and deciding to indirectly help Mario & co. defeat him.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus actually invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and then deciding to indirectly help Mario & and co. defeat him.
1st Sep '16 9:03:17 AM Peridonyx
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: So we're clearly meant to feel bad for Count Bleck, who used to be Blumiere and Tippi his lover, Timpani was banished and left to die by his father. Blumiere was so devastated he became Count Bleck and decided to use the Dark Prognosticus to bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt...but even though he does atone for this at the end of the game, it's still ''incredibly selfish'' and if it weren't for Dimentio revealing his true nature, Count Bleck would still be the bad guy. However, this may be mitigated by two factors: (1) the strong implication that the Prognosticus invoked WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity on Bleck beforehand, and (2) him clearly realizing this about halfway through and deciding to indirectly help Mario & co. defeat him.
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