The way time travel works was changed during development.
- The game repeatedly brings up changing fate and the past. Grima!Robin goes through the trouble of leaving the future and putting himself at risk. One could ask why he even bothered, considering how Lucina killing Robin wouldn't have taken down Grima!Robin had he stayed in the future. Have the game work with the "new future erases the previous future" and things flow better, namely Grima!Robin going back in time. At some point, the game did work under the "new future erases the previous" rule, but this was changed to "changes lead to more timelines that are still around and can be accessed from other timelines", with Grima!Robin's actions not being changed to account for the diffrent approach to time travel.
- The game implies that Lucina's group were the first to ever try to change their own history in this way. They might have simply assumed that the "new future erases the old one" rule applied, only to find out about the branching timelines later when they actually made the jump. Even Naga and Grima may not have known until that point; for all their power, the gods in Ylisse are not omniscient.
If the Avatar is a playable character in the next Super Smash Brothers
, then the character will be a composite of the Avatar from the Bad Future and the one you play as.
- Both of them are the Avatar in some form. Having a Composite Character would represent both of them.
- Well, they're the same person, one just succumbed to posession. There's nothing a composite character could do that just one couldn't. At the end of the game, The avatar even uses Grima's magic on his villainous self. That could be a final smash, but it doesn't need to be a composite character for that to be so.
- Think of Exdeath in Dissidia. He behaves like Neo Exdeath (Exdeath before being engulfed by the Void never said he wanted to erase himself) but he is in his humanoid and armored form.
Going further from the theory below, had Chrom been able to marry Cordelia and father Severa, at least a few of Severa's talks would have dealt with Severa being The Unfavorite
or being a Green-Eyed Monster
- Severa already has her issues with Cordelia. Can you imagine how'd she act towards Lucina, who happens to be the golden child of Ylisse's royal family? Yeah.
- Come to think of it, Lucina's current supports with her other siblings would fit perfectly if Severa was her sister. The last thing Severa would want is another famous relative's shadow hanging over her if something were to happen to Lucina. I could definitely see her refusing to train with Falchion because of that.
Earlier in development, Cordelia was not only planned to be a wife for Chrom, but was even the woman that would have been pushed as Chrom's wife
- Concept art for Cordelia in the Knights of Iris has her with blue hair (akin to Caeda), Lucina and Severa were paired together in a piece of artwork and they even had a convo in the Future of Despair DLC. The artwork and convo are either leftovers from this, or are Mythology Gags.
- Not only that, but blue haired Cordelia looks almost exactly like Lucina.
- She even makes an ideal choice for Lucina's mother gameplay-wise: she passes down positive strength, skill, and speed modifiers, as well as three classes that don't overlap with Chrom's (and two of which don't overlap with any of her other potential mothers besides the Avatar). And having Severa packing Aether along with Sol would be similarly awesome.
Yarne and Panne's roles were reversed during development. i.e. Originally Yarne was the first-gen character and Panne was his daughter.
- This stems from an oddity in Panne's inheritance. Despite Wyvern Rider NOT being a female-exclusive class, the game treats it as if it was when passuing it to Yarne, so he gets it swapped for Barbarian. Panne -> Yarne is the only inheritance pair in the game where this occurs. This is certainly a leftover of something that got changed during development. It's possible Panne originally had a female-only class like Pegasus Knight instead of Wyvern, but look at this. While Wyvern Rider -> Barbarian doesn't make much sense, Barbarian -> Wyvern Rider does. Perhaps things went like this:
- Orininally, Yarne was a first-generation character. Perhaps a Proud Warrior Race Guy envisioned before the pairing system existed. When it did, the devs realised they'd have to give him the ability to have kids, him being the Last of His Kind and all. But they then realised this would go against the female-dependant children system they were using. Wanting to limit non-mother dependant children to Chrom and Male Avatar, they figured the best thing to do would be to swap the parent-child roles around, having him become a second-gen character and his child developed into thr Panne we know. The inheritance oddity is a leftover of this.
- Liz is a perfectly fine name from an English perspective, but it's one syllable in English as opposed to two (Ri-zu) in Japanese. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, except Lissa is one of the very few characters whose name is spoken in animated cutscenes. This, the one-syllable Liz wouldn't have matched the Japanese mouth flaps, so it had to be changed to the two syllable Lissa.
Grima is the result of a mass fusion between every single Earth Dragon that was sealed within the Dragon's Table.
- Both the Binding Shield (now called the Flame Pedestal), and the Dragon's Table both have completely different functions. In addition, none of the Earth Dragons actually appear, despite the Binding Shield being incomplete and Medeus swearing that he and his clan will return when the shield itself returns to incompleteness.
"The Avatar is the descendant of the My Unit (Kris) and Katarina from Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem ~Heroes of Light and Shadow~"
It's a common trope in various media that the protagonist of the sequel with time skips is some how related to his/her predecessor from the prequel.
- The Avatar may gotten his/her natural ability to formulate combat strategies from Katarina who was studying to become a Tactician at the time. The ability to use magic probably also came from her too.
- His/Her physical combat and swordsmanship came from My Unit (Kris) whos male default class was a sword wielding Mercenary.
- Jossed with authority; his/her father is actually Validar of all people!
- Yeah, but what about his ancestor then?
- Two thousand years have passed between Shadow Dragon/New Mystery of the Emblem and Awakening. The fact we know who the father of the Avatar is doesn't exclude the possibility of My Unit being his distant descendant at all. In fact, assuming MU had offspring and his family line didn't get cut short on one or two generations, 2000 years is enough time for him to get a shitload of direct descendants. The Avatar descending from any Marth-era character wouldn't be surprising. Surprising is the fact that Marth himself appears to have only three living descendants by the time of Awakening.
- That and Kris and Marth's A Support in Heroes of Light and Shadow has them wondering if their decendants will be friends too. If their respective decendants are indeed the Avatar and Chrom, this becomes an amazing Fridge Sequel Hook.
- Actually, for a more likely theory, see below.
- DLC Katarina comes as a Grandmaster, becoming the only character with a tactician default class besides Avatar/Morgan. The resemblance she bears to Avatar and Morgan becomes rather uncanny.
Think about it. Yusuke Kozaki is designing the characters, they've already announced that there will be DLC scenarios, No More Heroes
enjoyed a lot of popularity on the Wii... They'd be utterly mad not to do it.
"The Identity of the Masked Man from the trailers".
Okay, so the guy obviously looks like Marth with a Paper-Thin Disguise
on. The most widely circulated theory is that it's Marth time/dimension hopping into another version of Archaneia to save his own. But admittedly that's a tad predictable so here's a few other ideas:
- It's someone pretending to be Marth. Either to fufill some sort of prophecy or personal gain. Or he's just a big fan of the hero from lore.
- It's some sort of guardian spirit masquerading as A Form You Are Comfortable With.
- It's the spirit of Krom's Falchion testing Krom's worth as a wielder.
- It's actually a girl. Not likely, but would be a fun twist.
- Looks a bit more likely with "Marth" being Yuu Kobayashi (who admittedly does male voices as well, though that is pretty handy if you are faking maleness) instead of Hikaru Midorikawa as he is in the OVA and Super Smash Bros..
- One needs to take into consideration his original V As age (forty), and the fact he last VA-ed Marth in Melee. His Brawl voice is reused. He hasn't done Marth in 11 years.
- Take A Fifth Option. Marth defeated Medeus but failed in his duties as a ruler after that; leading to his Archaneia being embroiled in chaos and war. His Falchion is somehow destroyed in the process. Hoping to end the chaos by finding a hero who won't fail, he reforges the Falchion into a new form that also serves as his Soul Jar (hence: "the Binding Blade Falchion") that Krom ultimately receives. When he does, he reawakens the dormant spirit of Marth inside.
- Is an Identical Descendant, some previously unknown relative of Krom's, who is claiming to be the real deal for some reason. Can overlap with the girl suggestion and the one below.
- Is using Marth's Falchion while Krom's is actually Alm's (hence the "sealing" in Krom's). Can overlap with any of the above
- Well, according to this page, it ain't him. Actual Marth confirmed for DLC.
- Combining two theories: DLC Marth is from an alternate universe where the world didn't go to shit after he was crowned.
- As it turns out, ''she'' is Krom's duagther from the future. The reason she wears the mask is to hide the mark of Naga.
Because, if it is Marth, seeing a clash between two heroes with noble goals would be an awesomely
good way to spice up Archaneia's Black and White Morality
- Jossed. The scene of Chrom and Marth fighting in the trailers turned out to be a case of Superdickery (It's an organised arena battle.)
"The new world setting for this game is a Cross Over
universe where all the previous Fire Emblem
games exist on the same world.
Thus leading to Alternate Continuity
versions of classic Fire Emblem
characters that will pop up with only a few being playable during the main game.
- Pretty much Confirmed, though the classic characters are summoned spirits rather than Alternate Continuity counterparts.
The dragon-mark-bearing hero tied to Naga, who is widely presumed to be Krom, is also a descendant of Heim
, and that's where the mark comes from.
Upon consideration of the fact that the world of the game is practically identical to Archanea/Valencia, and that Jugdral is set in the ancient history of those worlds, that got me thinking, if working under the assumption that the world is indeed "future" Archanea. First, to refer to an excerpt from the logo text:
"Two heroes marked with the symbols of dragons."
With Naga confirmed to be one of the dragons, this reminded me strongly of the Twelve Crusaders and their bloodlines, the descendents of which have identifying marks on their bodies. Naga bonded with one of the Crusaders, Heim, who proceeded to have quite a few descendants carrying the blood themselves. So from here, what I'm thinking is this: Somehow, in the thousands of years since Monshou and Seisen's events, a descendant of the Heim line came to whatever the Kakusei continent is now called and had children with someone, whose eventual descendant is one of the prophecised heroes. Given that he has a dragonlike mark on his shoulder, combined with the standard trends for FE heroes, that could well be Krom and his family, and I guess that's the assumption I'm working under here: the royal family of Iris carries the Heim bloodline, aka the Naga bloodline, and that is the cause behind the dragon mark.
Consider also that there are only thee options for Heim ancestors here: Yuria, Linoan and Celice, the latter of whom may be used as a way to tie yet another main character into this world (assuming you buy the Masked Marth thing); on the other hand, Celice only had minor Heim and thus, without him or his descendants marrying Yuria, Linoan or their descendants, may not be able to sustain the line.
- OP here: Linoan isn't an option, or at least is a very unlikely one, as her ending says she never married; obviously a child out of wedlock isn't out of the question, but it doesn't seem all that likely.
- Celice marrying Yuria isn't an impossiblity- far from it. Given that would also tie them to Anri and Marth, however...
- Recall that Marth and Sheeda are distantly related, both descended from Anri - if Anri had minor Naga blood and passed this on to his descendants, than Marth and Sheeda could potentially both have minor Naga blood, thus allowing their children to have major Naga blood. As for how Anri would have minor Naga blood, that requires another whole crazy theory. Perhaps he's descended from Celice? (The Falchion and the Tyrfing do look rather similar...)
- ...Marth and Sheeda are not distantly related. As for Celice and Yuria, yeah, negative love growth. They aren't hooking up outside of exploits. Anyway, the mark of Naga on Krom and co has nothing to do with Heim, but rather the first King of Iris who also made a pact with Naga to gain the power to defeat Gimle.
- This is true - there is no reason to believe that the mark (called the Brand of the Exalt in the localization) has any relation to Heim. That being said, it's worth noting that the B support between Tiki and the Avatar does include a line where Tiki mentions that Chrom reminds her not of Marth but of one of Marth's ancestors who lived around the time or her birth. Given that she was born following the war between the Divine Dragons and the Earth Dragons, it seems unlikely that any human heroes of note would be present on the continent at the time. However, given that FE 4 takes place around 300 years after some point in the Divine Dragon/Earth Dragon war (as Archbishop Galle had to have made a pact with Loptous before the Earth Dragons were sealed away, and then accounting for 200 years of Lopt Empire rule and 100 years of piece following its overthrow), and considering the fact that Sigurd is probably the most similar main character to Chrom in the series, it seems increasingly likely that Marth and by extension Chrom are related to Sigurd and Seliph.
- Not only that, but Leif's conversation at the end of the Lost Bloodlines 1 DLC has him use the term "Brand" to reffer to the Holy Blood system in his home universe. Since descendants of Heim in FE 4 were said to have a mark on their bodies, it's not hard to assume this is indeed the Mark of the Exalt.
"Marth" will have his name localized as "Mars"
For the sole purpose of screwing with fan theories.
- Jossed, and for good reason, considering the point is to trick players into believing it is in fact Marth.
My Unit will be able to Change Proofs to enter any class
Which would give a way for MU to be flexible yet start with a single class.
- Confirmed! My Unit can use the Change Seal to change into any class barring special ones like Manakete or Taguel.
- My Unit can marry a Manakete or Taguel... and then Morgan can change into one of those two. (And Nah or Yarne will get all other classes too)
My Unit and Marth are two parts of the same being
Marth looks more like an anti-hero here. My Unit is the lighter part of his personality, with the tactical genius included.
My Unit is Perezian royalty.
Saw this on Serenes, thought I'd post it here. The basis of the theory is that My Unit is dressed very similarly to the evil sorcerer in the trailer, who is assumed to be the ruler of the enemy nation. Additionally, if MU and Chrom are indeed the two marked heroes in the logo, it would be natural for Ylisse's prince to be the marked of Naga and for Plegia's hier to be the marked of Gimle. Makes you wonder if their meeting accidentally unleashed that Lovecraftian dragon...
- Being a Plegian Royalty is Jossed, and the sorcerer is actually the head of the Grima Cult, with the king being Gangrel. Originally being from Plegia is confirmed however, and MU IS Validar's son/daughter. MU's mark proves that he/she is a suitable vessel for Grima. Furthermore Validar does become the king of Plegia after Gangrel's death. So... confirmed From a Certain Point of View?
The children from the Marriage option are from the future.
It's confirmed married couples can have children that fight alongside them, but, barring a long timeskip, the timeframe of the game doesn't seem like it spans an extremely long drawn out conflict. Also it doesn't look like Sumia aged a day in her scenes with her daughter (granted it would be taxing to have to redraw older versions of everyone). It could be that the children are recruited from the mysterious Dimension Gate after the parents have bonded.
My Unit's son, Mark, is the same Mark from Blazing Sword.
Same well, default
name, the two characters start their games in similar circumstances, and they serve the same plot purpose in their respective games.
- But what if you made a female Mark? Making it non-canon seems unfair.
- It turns out that Mark in this game is the opposite gender of his parent. If My Unit is male, Mark will be female, if My Unit is female, Mark will be male. This was probably done to match up with the FE7 guy.
- Of course, this just means that now we're going to have flame wars about the other parent. Since the only thing we know about Mark from his/her sprite in Blazing Sword is that (s)he has brown hair, and the children in this game have the same hair color as their father, this means either Male MU with brown hair is canon or... Fe MU x Frederick?
- To be fair, ever see an enemy unit tactician? Or a Player Unit Tactician? Or Purple-guys Tactician? Each changes the hair color. All "Other Units" (Green) have Brown Hair... even if they're canonically... Purple-haired or something like that, unless it's a Mage (Female) (Green Hair) or Lord (Eliwood) (Red Hair). So, there actually nothing known about Mark of FE7, outside of him/her being really skilled. (Ala, the "Brilliant Mind" ending needs to happen for background of FE6)
- Actually the first CG makes it pretty clear that s/he has light reddish-brown hair. It's not even the sepia filter, either, since the unfiltered prototype version CG has hir with light reddish-brown hair also.
- And of course, Mark might well have been simply have been dying his/her hair.
- JOSSED. Mark is not Mark... but... MU is. Or may be. Lyn seems to remember him/her/you from FE7, unless you don't remember that. She still thinks MU is the Tactician and would like to see for herself.
- You can actually take this as either Jossed or Confirmed, since you're given the choice in-game to confirm or deny Lyn's claims that Awakening's MU and Blazing Sword's MU are the same person. There's nothing storyline-wise hinting at it being true or false, so any logic you use to justify/refuse it is your own.
- Irrelevant in the localized version, which changed his/her name to Morgan instead.
Secret Character Support conversations
Will involve MU confronting them with the mistakes they made in the main plot.
- Emmeryn: MU will be happier than her about her survival/duplication at first, but later on will start arguing with her about whether her sacrifice was necessary or not.
- Nope. Seems Emmeryn lost her memories... and MU just wants to help her get them back... She never does.
- Gangrel: Gangrel will try to be his typical arrogant self, but will be a bit deflated by the fact that no one but MU will give him the time of day. MU will give him a Reason You Suck Speech, but also admit that they are on the same side now and that MU's aims for perfect victories preclude a Uriah Gambit... in theory.
- Actually judging by their S support, Gangrel seems to actually try and become a better person, at least with Female MU.
- He appears to be quite self-deprecating around his son if him and Female MU marry, saying among other things, "Your Father was a turd with a crown" suggesting his defeat has humbled him big time.
- Aversa: These will revolve around MU's nature as an avatar of Grima. Aversa will compare and contrast their personalities, while MU keeps a close eye on her to prevent her from subverting Chrom. Finally, MU will call her out on the idiocy of her following a being which self-identifies as Evil and with a stated goal of Kill All Humans!.
- Jossed fairly hard. Aversa actually turned out have been horrifically manipulated by Validar (who she believed had saved her life, when actually, it was him who murdered her family and friends- and then later turned her into a weapon, because she possesses the same power as Micaiah, Dark Blessing)... Between Male MU, it's revealed that she had seen him as something of an Older Brother- and was for a long time jealous of him as a result... and it's eventually revealed that despite them being, for a time, adopted siblings, she had loved him from the beginning, before the game even got started— which is added to her worry over being in an Enemy Mine situation, as she believes everyone else in the army hates her for who she was when she was under Validar's control. With a Female MU she's rather aggressive and tries to take MU's position as the Army's tactician (and seduce Chrom while she's at it), which nearly gets MU and her killed by an enemy ambush— revealing that the both of them are, in fact, Magnificent Bastards in the process.
- Walhart: MU will claim that their battles were rather pointless in the grand scheme of things, and distracted them both from the true threat of Grima. Walhart will try to justify his actions as pragmatism, but MU will counter that provoking more moral people like Krom was what (almost?) got him killed.
Griffons will eventually become their own class
Much like in the far past how the Dragon Knight was a promotion of the Pegasus Knight, as now Griffons are a alternate promotion for the Dragon Knight class, eventually they will become their own, being the Jack of All Stats
to the Pegasi's Fragile Speedster
and the Dragon's Mighty Glacier
MU is Kris AND Mark.
Marth, Katarina, and Lyn all recognize him/her. How do you answer these time paradoxes assuming you say "Yes" to all of them? It's simple, they're all of them. It makes sense, considering MU is supposed to be the Player who "travels through time" quite easily.
- This is actually a valid theory, since Katarina's death quote in the Lost Bloodlines 1 DLC makes a refference to Kris... but with the gender pronoun changed to reflect the Avatar's. (I.e. Kris is male for a male Avatar and female for a female Avatar)
- The problem with this theory is that Kris and Avatar have vastly different personalities and established backstories. Also Tiki would've recognized Avatar since she was definitely around during both periods. Unless a silly Doctor Who style explanation is used, Kris and Avatar aren't likely to be the same person. Mark being Avatar is still a possibility though due to how vague Mark's details were.
The Lopto empire was originally founded when someone made a blood pact with a dragon from Akaneia. The events of Fire Emblem 4 pretty much destroyed the Lopto sect...HOWEVER
, it's quite clear that they are still going, and have become the Grimleal. If anything, after the events of Fire Emblem 4, they fled the continent and went back to the land of Loputosu's birth...Akaneia. They discovered that Loputosu wasn't the only
one, and Grima was another. So naturally...yeah. They became the Grimleal instead of the Lopto sect. And Validar having a child specifically to be Grima's next host..that's exactly what Manfroy manipulated Alvis and Diadora to do. If there were "Bloodlines" in this game, the Avatar would have major Grima blood.
- I support this theory. It would also explain the presence of the Deadlords. Presumably, the remains of the Sect took the knowledge of how to make them with them and it eventually ended up in Validar's or Aversa's hands. Also, the Deadlords wield some of Jugdral's Crusader Weapons. According to Word Of God, after the war against the Lopt Sect, the holy weapons lost most of their power and presumably also their blood-bond to specific lineages. After FE 4, the remaining followers of Lopt might have stolen a few of the weapons, or, if we want to be darker (as if Jugdral isn't already dark), assassinated their wielders and took them. It would explain why they landed in Ylisse and are wielded by Deadlords. The only problem is that several thousand years lie between Jugdral and Awakening. It's questionable where the Lopt Sect/Grimleal were in that time, particularly what they did during the events of the Akaneia games.
Considering the fact that Morgan is a descendant of Grima
, can learn and master almost any skill, and pretty much has demigod levels of power, s/he probably fell into Skyrim at some point while time traveling, and doesn't remember due to the amnesia. Or better yet, an older Morgan travels to Skyrim via the Outrealm Gate.
Lissa has a mark of Naga, it's just in a place no one can see it.
Chrom's children have theirs in the eye, so the mark can be fairly small and unobtrusive and not even on skin.
- Perhaps it's just in a location that no one has bothered to look, like the underside of her tongue. Or maybe it's under her hairline.
- It might not be limited to just the outside of the body. Perhaps it's on her heart or stomach or some other symbolic organ.
Sumia is Chrom's canon love interest/spouse.
Chrom begins the game with relationship points already shared with Sumia. When Sumia rescues Chrom in a cutscene, he stares in appreciation/wonder at her for just long enough to be awkward if there isn't any romantic subtext. And the cutscene itself is titled "Lovebirds."
This is probably to avoid having the Avatar as Chrom's canon spouse (since female Avatars seem to overwhelmingly choose him), since the end of the storyline reveals that should the Avatar strike the final blow against Grima, he/she apparently dies, or at least vanishes for a long period of time
. Also, since Chrom and his lineage may be referenced in later games, it would be useful to have the option to say who his wife was, rather than go New Mystery's
route and say, "Chrom was married, but who she was/what she looked like is now lost to history."
- Seems about right: even the opening cinema for the game features Chrom with a woman that looks like Sumia holding their child in front of cheering crowds.
- Forgot to mention it in my explaination, but it is indeed Sumia seen with Chrom in the opening. Further support for their relationship.
- Basically confirmed by game mechanics. If Chrom has equal support level with all his eligible love interests, the game prioritizes Sumia as his spouse, and pairs him with her even lacking S Support.
Walhart becomes a Risen or otherwise undead.
The SpotPass chapter where Walhart can be recruited takes place in a graveyard, where every enemy save Walhart is clearly a Risen and Risen reinforcements spawn from tombstones. Further, despite Walhart being against Grima, none of the Risen attack him, even though he's apparently been trying to provoke them for a while. It doesn't seem unreasonable that you actually killed him earlier in the story, only for him to be brought back as a pawn of Grima. However, Walhart's Conquest skill negates armor and cavalry weaknesses, so in this case it might also negate his Risen weakness; that is, a mindless devotion to Grima. By driving Grima out of his mind, Walhart remained in control of his reanimated body, and after being recruited to your side he's all set to go Faustian Rebellion
on the Fell Dragon's hide.
- One might see it that those Risen were actually his men at one time and despite their state, will not turn on their ruler. The fact he was able to command them suggests a sort of Undying Loyality.
The SpotPass team leaders are from Old Hubba's cards from the DLC levels.
If you play the DLC levels related to Old Hubba(like Champions of Yore) he tells you about the cards that contain the copies of brave warriors. Every last enemy from these levels has a blue aura as they have been summoned by these cards. He also tells you that there are multiple copies of some of these cards, each somewhat different. The leaders of the downloadable SpotPass teams all have the same aura and icon, they even show up as cards when you talk to them!
Lucina will have a game to herself
In her unpaired ending it says that Lucina disappears after the conflict to unknown places, leaving IS with plenty of room to continue her story in a later game.
- Alternatively, Priam will get one. Come on, his appearence and backstory just scream Early-Bird Cameo!
Priam's English dialogue will, voiced or otherwise, parody Ike's "I fight for my friends" line from Brawl at some point.
- This certainly sounds like something the localisation would do.
- Alternatively, we'll have Continuity Nods in his critical quotes, like "You won't get any sympathy from me!"
The reason why Naga plays matchmaker
for Morgan(M) and Nah...
...may be to prevent or severely delay Grima's hypothetical future revival. There is no guarantee that the Avatar would sacrifice herself to kill Grima permanently. Though it'll take at least one thousand years for Grima to be revived again, if there is no suitable host, it may take longer still. By having the Avatar's son, a likely carrier of Grima's fellbloodline, marry and possibly have children with a half-Manakete, the Divine Dragon blood may weaken or dilute it greatly. Morgan and Nah's descendants may not viable for use in Grima's revival, or it would take longer than one thousand years.
Since the children are already crushing on each other, she figured she would just help them along while giving humanity a boon. This may not be as necessary if Morgan is the son of Chrom, Brady, Inigo(if they are Chrom's sons), or Owain and thus get exalted blood as well, but it may act as extra insurance.
Yarne is incredibly nervous about being one of the last taguel alive is because...
...he actually had several siblings in the future, all of whom, except for Morgan if a male avatar married Panne
, were killed by Risen and/or Grima him/herself
The Spotpass Yen'fay came from the same Bad Future
as the other second generation characters.
In the timeline they're from, Say'ri never acted as Chrom's insider to Valm, Chereche played that role instead, until they were forced to retreat through Demon's Ingle/Doma's Remains. At that point, Yen'fay was only with Walhart because he was a Death Seeker
. He was too noble to take his own life, and too many people relied on him so he couldn't commit Suicide by Cop
on Walhart, so he figured he would commit Suicide by Cop
on Chrom instead, knowing that his own death would make the Resistance turn on Walhart. However, Chrom instead convinced the broken Yen'fay to instead join him - which turned the resistance around on Walhart. After the war was over, Yen'fay went back to ruling Chon'sin and Chrom's army went home to live their lives, until their children had grown up a little and now
Plegia acts against them again. However, back on Valm, risen started coming and they were one of the first to fall, sending thousands of refugees to Ylisse to warn them. Yen'fay escaped when there was no hope for Valm anymore. (Chereche and Virion did as well, unless they decided to stay on Ylisse) He didn't want to initially go back in time, but he was convinced that he could correct his greatest failure: The fact that his plan had failed, and Say'ri had died. Because of the second generation's intervention, Say'ri was found by Chrom and his men still. (It's possible the Alternate Yen'fay spoke to Excellus to ensure
his plan would succeed, knowing what he would have told her back then.) However, there was a big wrench in his plan: Not only was he there, but so was the Parallel Yen'fay. Upon hearing that the parallel Yen'fay stayed with Walhart, he retreated to Chon'sin in hiding, thinking he didn't think his plan through
and that no matter what, he was doomed to lose Say'ri - since while Say'ri would live, she would forever hate him and think him a traitor. He especially thought "What have I done?"
when he heard that the real Yen'fay was killed in the battle when he defected to Chrom's side in the timeline he was familiar with. When he is found in Paralogue 21, he was finally given another chance to atone for what he did.
In the Future of Despair, (M)Morgan has a harem
The mission is to save all of the daughters from the prisons and the boss is (M)Morgan
. If you had that many girls in your prison and your mother was an evil dragon who conquered the world and caused a risen apocalypse, why wouldn't you enjoy yourself to the survivors?
Lucina actually did Accomplish one of her goals... to save Emmeryn's life
In the Bad Future
, Emmerynn was assassinated by Validar. And Validar made sure that she was dead, since Emm is quite resilient,
In the revised events caused by the Timey Wimey Ball
, Emmerynn lived. Rather than being stabbed through the chest or killed with dark magics at the hand of Validar, she jumped off a cliff. Being as resilient as she is, Emmerynn survived but suffered a severe head injury that possibly resulted in brain damage, hence her loss of memory and childlike manner of speech.
As for how the events of Paralogue 20 could be canon, She was moved there shortly after the mad king's war. Gangrel put her "Dead body" up for display, which further caused the citizens of Plegia to defect. One of these viewers however noticed one thing... Emmeryn's "dead body" was breathing. The sympathetic Plegians quickly snatched her off her display in hopes that she could be saved... however now they made an enemy of Gangrel and the Grimleal. They retreated to the village seen in Paralogue 20 with Emmerynn, in hopes that she could be nursed back to health. However, she lost her memory and suffered brain damage as a result of her fall... and then Chrom enters a little over two years later.
Miriel (and possibly Tharja) is pregnant at the end of the game.
If Miriel is married at the end of the game, her "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue
mentions a newborn son, while Noire's solo ending involves her staying with her parents to help her mother with her work and (possibly) take Tharja's curses in the place of Baby Noire
. Furthermore, Laurent comes across as being one of the older children even before we learn that he ended up arriving three years before Lucina and ended up three years older than her
EDIT: Upon closer examination, Miriel's ending doesn't always mention a newborn son. The mention of a newborn child shows up with whoever Henry
Other than the "no duh" factor
, she can even have Owain as a companion!
- Just Owain? Wouldn't all the kids be her companions?
- Have her S Rank with Owain, and they become companions instead of spouses.
Priam didn't inherit Aether because it was locked to Ike's top slot in Radiant Dawn
First, because any discussion about Priam's heritage tends to be Flame Bait
, let me just snuff any potential flame war out before it starts by saying, "It's a game and this is WMG - we all have better things do than argue about what sexuality a polygon model has." (Although whether or not they even have one is in itself an amazing WMG)
I propose that Ike gets Aether, despite not being a Lord in this game, simply because he invented it and they had to pay homage to the skill's original creator. So why doesn't Priam get it if he's Ike's descendant? Other than the obvious reason that having a third (potentially a fifth
) Aether-user would be the most broken thing ever? Because you can't move skills in Radiant Dawn
. The inheritance system in Awakening
means the last
skill in your list is the one you pass down to your children. As a Vanguard, Ike's Aether was in the top slot and forcibly locked there. So, it could never have been handed down. Furthermore, he wouldn't have been able to move it even if he'd wanted to - the skill is locked to the top slot. In the Prologue, the Avatar states that he can "see
" enemy information; like equipment, parameters, etc.
This, and Flavia's
Dual Guard of Basilio
, imply that Fire Emblem
runs on Gameplay and Story Integration
rules. So, is it so far-fetched to assume that Ike couldn't pass on his trademark skill because the mechanics quite literally prevented him from doing so?
- Actually, Aether is inherited in Awakening regardless of slot, so this WMG may possibly be Jossed.
- The difference between Ike's bloodline and Chrom's bloodline though is that the latter is of royal blood, and such skills seem to be passed down almost like a divine right (and perhaps having blue hair/being able to wield the Falchion as well). Also, Aether is a skill that is automatically passed down to the females, while the males automatically get Rightful King (ignoring the fact that Lucina can also get that skill at lvl 15 Great Lord). So even if Aether was a skill that was in the family, Priam would not recieve it, and he wouldn't get Rightful King since he has no claim to any throne (I think).
- Actually, the (first) above creates something of a hole in the Ike-Descendant and Mist-Descendant sides of the argument. Let's assume that Aether has to be passed down. This makes sense for Ike and Greil, the latter of whom could use it as shown in FE 9 hackings of unused data. As such, it's can be assumed that he passed down the ability to use it to his son. So, by that logic, Priam can't be Ike's kid if he doesn't have Aether... but then Mist can't use it at all. Why? Wait a minute. Maybe she wasn't Greil's kid to begin with...
All of the characters are actually ...
Satyrs. It's why they have no feet; under their shoes/boots they have hooves!
- Jossed by the official art, which clearly depict feet.
Something that has always bugged me about the Marth-driven Emblem
games is Medeus. In the second game, they try to pull the Well-Intentioned Extremist
card by explaining that he raised an empire to punish the humans who were oppressing his people. To me, this just raises further questions
- not the least of which being why
he says that, as long as evil remains in human hearts, he'll have a chance at revival. Why? If you think you're the good guy in this scenario, why do you more or less define yourself as evil? That is not
something a Well-Intentioned Extremist
So, yeah, this bugged me for God knows how long... and then I realised that Loptyr basically says the exact same thing when you off him. Suspiciously Similar Substitute
? I thought so too; but then Loptyr actually is
evil. He wants to create a hellish dystopia where he controls everything and tortures humanity for all eternity just because he finds it amus— Wait a minute! That's a word-for-word description of Grima!
So, here's my theory. Fire Emblem 4
is a prequel to the Archaneia games. After being defeated in Jugdral, Loptyr is out of human bodies, so his spirit travels back to the land of his birth - Archaneia - and possesses Medeus. This explains why Medeus suddenly goes from being motivated by revenge to just sort of being an omnicidal tyrant. It also explains why Medeus is able to change from an Earth Dragon to a Dark one. Y'see, Loptyr's design looks nothing
like the Earth Dragons (who always looked more like dinosaurs to me
) and is much more comparable to Medeus' Dark Dragon form. From hereon, this WMG follows the theory that Grima is a fusion of all the Earth Dragons
. The dominant mind, however, is Loptyr. It just explains too damn much about the Grimleal being Expies of his old cult.
- This is interesting. And Jugdral being a prequel to Akaneia is canon. Perhaps we could tie this into the theory above that the Grimleal are what eventually became from the remnants of the defeated Lopt Sect? Let's say they either managed to preserve Loptyr's spirit somehow, or just followed him to Akaneia, and then aided in the corruption of Medeus? If Lopyr is the head of this new super-dragon now named Grima, that would also explain why they changed their name to Grimleal, and why Grima seems much more powerful than previous dark dragons. I am not, however, familiar enough with Marth's games to be sure if there could be a place for the then-Grimleal during the Akaneia era.
- Possibly! Gharnef does have a cult of dark magicians who serve him in Mystery and their ultimate goal is to resurrect Medeus as a Dark Dragon. Sounds kinda familiar to Manfroy, doesn't it?
Thus, the world on the other side Nils spoke of, which had mostly dragons, but also humans, might have been one of the other FE continuities. For instance, the past of the Akaneia games.
Grima's human like face under the exoskeleton helmet
is most likely meant to be very similar to the Avatars face due to their sharing a body