History WMG / FireEmblemAwakening

* [[TheStoic From Chrom's stoic]] [[SociopathicHero dickery]] [[MoreHeroThanThou and]] [[ChronicHeroSyndrome mannerisms on occasion]], [[HeroicSelfDeprecation to Lissa's low self worth]] [[InternalizedCategorism and numerous insecurities]], [[MessianicArchetype and to Emmeryn's]] ''[[MustMakeAmends severe]]'' [[HeroicSacrifices suicidal tendencies]], [[StepfordSmiler there's more to this family than what's at the surface]].

* Miriel: Wants to know more or less everything about the world. [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Even things that she probably shouldn't]]. Also, while she's highly intelligent, she's also something of a DefrostingIceQueen who [[NotGoodWithPeople isn't particularly great at social interaction]]. Maybe some of her empathy has already started to be drained away...

* As it turns out, [[spoiler:''[[SamusIsAGirl she]]'' is [[LukeIAmYourFather Krom's daughter]] from the future. The reason she wears the mask is to hide the mark of Naga]].

** Juuuuust gonna point this out: Concept art of Lucina showed her a bit bustier than in game outside of her normal outfit. So technically going by that, yes, she does indeed bind her bust. Also the official artwork of her, see [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/8/8f/Resort_is_truly_paradise.png/revision/latest?cb=20150306190602 here]] and [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/21/Lucina_OST.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140421111127 here]]. Not exactly [[BuxomIsBetter large]], but still more notable than her normal outfit.

In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' Cyan's son, Owain, dies from poisoning along with his wife. When you get out of the Phantom Train, Owain tells Cyan that he will practice his swordplay and protect his mother. [[NamesTheSame Owain]], in this game, starts out as a Myrmidon, and vows to protect his mother.

** To be fair, ever see an enemy unit tactician? Or a Player Unit Tactician? Or [[MeleeATrois Purple-guys]] Tactician? Each changes the hair color. All "Other Units" (Green) have Brown Hair... even if they're canonically... Purple-haired or something like that, unless it's a Mage (Female) (Green Hair) or Lord (Eliwood) (Red Hair). So, [[{{AFGNCAAP}} there's actually nothing known about Mark of [=FE7=], outside of him/her being really skilled]]. (Ala, the "Brilliant Mind" ending needs to happen for background of [=FE6=])

* Two other games majorly support this theory: ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros4'' depicts Lucina as a DistaffCounterpart clone of Marth, and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' outright confirms the concept of reincarnation as canon in the Fire Emblem universe.

* Think about the huge number of {{BFS}}es in the game. A Bronze Sword is reasonably sized, Iron swords could be used by normal people, etc. Then you see people wielding stuff like Armorslayers, Wyrmslayers, [[AnAxeToGrind really most of the axes, ESPECIALLY the throwing ones...]] How do you even lift most of these weapons, let alone use them to kill things? Especially [[OneHandedZweihander one handed!]]

*** This is true -- there is no reason to believe that the mark (called the Brand of the Exalt in the localization) has any relation to Heim. That being said, it's worth noting that the B support between Tiki and the Avatar does include a line where Tiki mentions that Chrom reminds her not of Marth but of one of Marth's ancestors who lived around the time or her birth. Given that she was born following the war between the Divine Dragons and the Earth Dragons, it seems unlikely that any human heroes of note would be present on the continent at the time. However, given that [=FE4=] takes place around 300 years after some point in the Divine Dragon/Earth Dragon war (as Archbishop Galle had to have made a pact with Loptous before the Earth Dragons were sealed away, and then accounting for 200 years of Lopt Empire rule and 100 years of peace following its overthrow), and considering the fact that Sigurd is probably the most similar main character to Chrom in the series, it seems increasingly likely that Marth and by extension Chrom are related to Sigurd and Seliph.

[[WMG: The Grimleal are what's left of The Lopto Sect from ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Genealogy]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Thracia 776]]''.]]
The Lopto empire was originally founded when someone made a blood pact with a dragon from Akaneia. The events of Fire Emblem 4 pretty much destroyed the Lopto sect...''HOWEVER'', it's quite clear that they are still going, and have become the Grimleal. If anything, after the events of Fire Emblem 4, they fled the continent and went back to the land of Loputosu's birth...Akaneia. They discovered that Loputosu wasn't the ''only'' one, and Grima was another. So naturally...yeah. They became the Grimleal instead of the Lopto sect. [[spoiler:And Validar having a child specifically to be Grima's next host... that's ''exactly'' what Manfroy manipulated Alvis and Diadora to do. If there were "Bloodlines" in this game, the Avatar would have major Grima blood.]]
** I support this theory. It would also explain the presence of the Deadlords. Presumably, the remains of the Sect took the knowledge of how to make them with them and it eventually ended up in Validar's or Aversa's hands. Also, the Deadlords wield some of Jugdral's Crusader Weapons. According to WordOfGod, after the war against the Lopt Sect, the holy weapons lost most of their power and presumably also their blood-bond to specific lineages. After [=FE4=], the remaining followers of Lopt might have stolen a few of the weapons, or, if we want to be darker (as if Jugdral isn't already dark), assassinated their wielders and took them. It would explain why they landed in Ylisse and are wielded by Deadlords. The only problem is that several thousand years lie between Jugdral and Awakening. It's questionable where the Lopt Sect/Grimleal were in that time, particularly what they did during the events of the Akaneia games.

[[WMG: Playing off the above theory, [[spoiler:the Avatar has major Lopt blood]]]]

We're still not completely familiar with how holy blood works; who's to say that just because Julia doesn't have it, her descendants won't? The Lopt Sect, thinking the same thing, kept tabs on Julia after fleeing Jugdral and spent the next few centuries watching from afar, waiting for minor Lopt blood to surface in a male and female. Once it had, they kidnapped those two and forced them to inbreed until they finally got someone with major Lopt blood -- [[spoiler:the Avatar]], who ''is'' described as "[[spoiler:a heroic Julius]]" in the [[spoiler:{{Expy}} trope on their character page]].

* Alternately, Julius and Ishtar somehow managed to have male and female kids without anyone noticing, who were kidnapped by the Lopt Sect and went through the process above. The reason it takes them more than a millenia was because Manfroy got really lucky and it actually takes Lopt blood a ''long'' time to become major.
** Playing off of this theory... who says it was any descendant of Diadora or Alvis? Surely they weren't the only ones with Lopto blood out there. Was Diedre the only one living in the forest?

** Or Saias, Arvis's bastard son, had Loptyr Minor blood.

[[WMG: Loptyr was TheManBehindTheMan throughout ''Awakening'' and, by extension, the Archaneia games.]]

So, yeah, this bugged me for God knows how long... and then I realised that Loptyr basically says the exact same thing when you off him (with Celice, anyways). SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute? I thought so, too; but then Loptyr actually ''is'' evil. He wants to create a hellish dystopia where he controls everything and tortures humanity for all eternity just because he finds it amus-- Wait a minute! That's a word-for-word description of Grima!

So, here's my theory. ''Fire Emblem 4'' is a prequel to the Archaneia games. After being defeated in Jugdral, Loptyr is out of human bodies, so his spirit travels back to the land of his birth -- Archaneia -- and possesses Medeus. This explains why Medeus suddenly goes from being motivated by revenge to just sort of being an omnicidal tyrant. It also explains why Medeus is able to change from an Earth Dragon to a Dark one. Y'see, Loptyr's design looks ''nothing'' like the Earth Dragons ([[DragonsAreDinosaurs who always looked more like dinosaurs to me]]) and is much more comparable to Medeus' Dark Dragon form. From hereon, this WMG follows the theory that [[spoiler:Grima is a fusion of all the Earth Dragons]]. The dominant mind, however, is Loptyr. It just explains too damn much about the Grimleal being Expies of his old cult.
** This is interesting. And Jugdral being a prequel to Akaneia ''is'' canon. Perhaps we could tie this into the theory above that the Grimleal are what eventually became from the remnants of the defeated Lopt Sect? Let's say they either managed to preserve Loptyr's spirit somehow, or just followed him to Akaneia, and then aided in the corruption of Medeus? If Lopyr is the head of this new super-dragon now named Grima, that would also explain why they changed their name to Grimleal, and why Grima seems much more powerful than previous dark dragons. I am not, however, familiar enough with Marth's games to be sure if there could be a place for the then-Grimleal during the Akaneia era.

* Throughout the ''Fire Emblem'' series, dark magic has ''always'' been the source of corruption and moral decay. Gharnef created Imhullu and its power warped his soul; the Lopt Sect -- according to Lewyn -- were normal to start with but [[TheCorruption something changed them]] over time; Nergal lost his mind to the darkness and [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget forgot about]] [[spoiler:[[TragicVillain his family beyond the Dragon's Gate]]]]; Lyon tried to control the Demon King with his dark magic [[spoiler:and ended up getting possessed by him]]... Face it. No matter how the likes of Canas [[DarkIsNotEvil try to portray it]], dark magic is extremely dangerous and corrupting. This is why Tharja and Henry are {{Punch Clock Hero}}es. Both of them have HiddenDepths that reveal that they're not as evil as they seem, but there's no denying that they're creepy as hell on the surface. Why? Well, who's to say that their minds haven't already been warped by their own powers?

For this WMG, we'll be looking at two other WMG's: namely, Grima actually being Loptyr and the one about Priam's ancestry. Oh, and you might want to grab a sandwich or something... [[WallOfText you might be here for a while]].

But who were they? Well, since they have the Brand, they must have Naga blood. That means it ''has'' to be someone descended from Seliph or Julia. ''Fire Emblem IV'' is a prequel to the Marth games and we know from the former that the Crusader Heim is the one who made the blood-pact with Naga while she had a physical form. By the time of Marth, Naga has died and [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence most likely become the spiritual entity]] seen in [[spoiler:''Awakening'']]. Ergo, the only living people possessing the blood of Naga are Seliph and Julia. Since Jugdrali Sagas are known to the people of Archaneia by the time of ''Awakening'', we know that there has to have been some communication between the lands. Therefore, let's assume that this Naga-descended character from Jugdral came to Archaneia and started a family there. Perhaps they were even guided by Naga, who knew that her archenemy Loptyr would revive in time. The Naga descendant is able to mingle their bloodline with that of Marth's descendants and, from this union, a Falchion-wielder with Naga blood is born.

* Considering how the Avatar [[spoiler:is the one who has the blood of Grima and becomes the Fell Dragon in at least one timeline, the Avatar could represent Deirdre. What with how Deirdre had the blood of Loptyr and later becomes the mother of someone who was Loptyr in human form.]]

** [[spoiler:This would be even more fitting if the previous WMG of Grima being Loptyr is true, since it could imply that Robin is distantly related to Seliph, and in that case, that would technically make him/her Tyrfing's rightful wielder.]]

* [[spoiler:Morgan - Loptyr: The offspring of Grima/Avatar, the BigBad of the game.]]

Going off of the Loptyr is Grima theory, [[spoiler:and Robin has Loptyr Major Holy Blood]], then Robin would be descended from [[spoiler:someone with Loptyr blood. Saias is Arvis's bastard son, and you can't see Holy Blood in ''Thracia'']]. Plus, Saias is known for being a great tactician.

[[WMG: The Grimleal are what's left of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral The Lopto Sect]].]]

[[WMG: The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Dragon's Gate]] was an Outrealm Gate]]

[[WMG: Grima's origin will be explained in the upcoming ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' X ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' crossover.]]

My theory is that things play out the same way they do in the main timeline: Lucina and the other children go back in time, causing Emmeryn to sacrifice herself and the war with Plegia to end earlier. Unlike the game timeline but like the original Lucina's timeline, the war with Valm didn't occur for another decade, allowing the children of the Future Past timeline to reach adulthood. When Robin was possessed by Grima, the Lucina-timeline children all fell in battle alongside the Shepherds. This also explains the existence of the two Morgans if Robin married one of the time-travelers--in this timeline, the two had time to naturally conceive, birth and raise the twins before everything went to hell. One of the Morgans was sent to the main game's timeline by Future Past!Robin; the other probably ended up [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe waking up in a field somewhere]], which is why Lyn will talk about recognizing Robin--Morgan does strongly resemble them, after all.

* Two other games majorly support this theory: ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros 4'' depicts Lucina as a DistaffCounterpart clone of Marth, and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' outright confirms the concept of reincarnation as canon in the Fire Emblem universe.

*** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Kamui]] is another extension of the Robin oversoul. In fact, this process is shown in VideoGame/FireEmblemFates when the Avatar can "breath life into the Earth" to create an extention (bond units) with another Avatar.

Both of them are [[spoiler:the Avatar in some form]]. Having a {{Composite Character}} would represent both of them.

** Think of Exdeath in ''VideoGame/{{Dissidia|Final Fantasy}}''. He behaves like Neo Exdeath (Exdeath before being engulfed by the Void never said he wanted to erase himself) but he is in his humanoid and armored form.

[[WMG: The new world setting for this game is a CrossOver universe where all the previous VideoGame/FireEmblem games exist on the same world.]]
Thus leading to AlternateContinuity versions of classic VideoGame/FireEmblem characters that will pop up with only a few being playable during the main game.

[[WMG:The dragon-mark-bearing hero tied to Naga, who is widely presumed to be Krom, is also a descendant of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Heim]], and that's where the mark comes from.]]

** Since the first reveal of Robin in Smash Bros. featured Male Robin, I'm inclined to believe that Male Robin is the "canon" one. Which would lead to Female ''Morgan'' and Male ''[[MythologyGag Mark]]''. ThemeTwinNaming anyone? But that does bring up the other twin wandering around lost and that's frankly [[AdultFear terrifying]], ''especially'' if the other twin shows up after Grima's death.

** Dialogue actually changes depending on the Avatar's gender. [[spoiler: Male Grima refers to Morgans as two separate people, saying that "so the Morgan I sent after your group failed as well" while Female Grima comments that Morgan has failed her twice, which makes it more ambiguous. If we go with what Male Grima says, it seems that there are two individuals who are both named Morgan.]]

* Dialogue actually changes depending on the Avatar's gender. [[spoiler: Male Grima refers to Morgans as two separate people, saying that "so the Morgan I sent after your group failed as well" while Female Grima comments that Morgan has failed her twice, which makes it more ambiguous. If we go with what Male Grima says, it seems that there are two individuals who are both named Morgan.]]

** [[spoiler:{{Jossed}} fairly hard. Aversa turns out to have been BrainwashedAndCrazy.

[[WMG: Grima and Naga are the [[Game/FireEmblemFates Dusk Dragon and Dawn Dragon,]] respectively.]]

[[WMG: Godzilla is sleeping somewhere in this world.]]
Grima's dragon form was inspired by the not nuclear due to bombs not existing in the universe, kaiju and his rival Ghidorah. Grima was all like "Gee! I wanna be fierce! May as well look like the thing that wiped out most of humanity once!" The Godzilla for this universe would be the 2014 one, keeping balance but doesn't do anything in Awakening or any time in the game due to him probably dealing with other things.

Cynthia and Inigo also are the first to witness him waking up, both become best friends with the Big G.

** Wouldn't Kong, Rodan, and Mothra also exist? Who would find them if they all say "Hey! This dragon looks like the OTHER dragon we hate! Let's kick his shit in!"

He's a divine dragon, and he seems young enough to live for another millennium.

** [[spoiler:{{Jossed}} fairly hard. Aversa actually turned out have been [[MoreThanMindControl horrifically manipulated]] by Validar (who she believed had saved her life, when actually, it was him who murdered her family and friends -- and then later turned her into a weapon, because she possesses the same power as Micaiah, Dark Blessing)... Between Male MU, it's revealed that she had seen him as [[LikeBrotherAndSister something of an Older Brother]], and was for a long time jealous of him as a result... and it's eventually revealed [[BrotherSisterIncest that despite them being, for a time]], [[NotBloodSiblings adopted siblings]], [[BrotherSisterIncest she had loved him from the beginning, before the game even got started]] -- which is added to her worry over being in an EnemyMine situation, as she believes everyone else in the army hates her for who she was when she was under Validar's control. With a Female MU, she's rather aggressive and tries to take MU's position as the Army's tactician (and seduce Chrom while she's at it), which nearly gets MU and her killed by an enemy ambush -- revealing that the both of them are, in fact, {{Magnificent Bastard}}s in the process.]]

** Actually, the (first) above creates something of a hole in the Ike-Descendant ''and'' Mist-Descendant sides of the argument. Let's assume that Aether ''has'' to be passed down. This makes sense for Ike and Greil, the latter of whom could use it as shown in ''[=FE9=]'' hackings of unused data. As such, it can be assumed that he passed down the ability to use it to his son. So, by that logic, Priam can't be Ike's kid if he doesn't have Aether... but then Mist can't use it ''at all''. Why? Wait a minute. [[YourCheatingHeart Maybe she wasn't Greil's kid to begin with]]...

But what about Ike? Well, following on directly from the previous WMG about Priam's lineage and the section about Marth being Anri's brother's descendant actually being a retcon. Let's assume for the purposes of this WMG that that's correct and that Priam really ''is'' Ike's descendant. This still does not eliminate the HoYay ShipTease he has with Soren. So, what's the answer? BiTheWay. Ike and Soren arrived in Archaneia and started a OneTrueThreesome with a woman from there. Or maybe he was just experimenting. Either way, Ike sired a daughter to whom he could pass down Aether via ''Awakening'' rules. ... See where I'm going with this? [[CrackPairing Yes]]. This line of Ike eventually mixed with that of the Naga-blooded Falchion wielder. The product of this union? The First Exalt; who grows up just as Grima appears. They're able to take down Grima with a mixture of Marth's Falchion, Seliph or Julia's Naga bloodline, and Ike's Aether. Their [[CrutchCharacter mentor]] throughout this journey? Why, Ike's ReallySevenHundredYearsOld other lover, of course! After that fight with Grima, the guy also helps bring Tellius magic over to Archaneia. I mean, how else do you think the people of that continent are going to learn so many Tellius spells? (Here's lookin' at you, Arc-level spells and Rexcalibur)