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Headscratchers: Fire Emblem Awakening
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  • Why was Virion in Ylisse to begin with? Was Rosanne already under siege by Walhart at the beginning of the game?
    • Probably. By the time Chrom's army even gets to Valm, it's almost entirely taken over, and most of the rebel forces except for Say'ri have given up. Logically speaking Walhart had to have started his conquest a while ago, and given Virion's early appearance, Rosanne was probably one of the first (if not the first) territories to be captured.
    • Yup, from Panne's supports, which can occur before the Valm arc, she confirms that Virion is infamous as the coward who fled from Rosanne as soon as Walhart started his campaign. During the events of Gangrel's arc, Rosanne was already being overtaken. Virion's still quite haughty for a man who has lost everything.
  • One question: when Chrom and co go to Regena Ferox, why did nobody tell Maribelle (who left the Shepards Garrison room after Vaike burped in repulse) about the expedition?! If they did, she wouldn't have been kidnapped, and the Ylissean-Plegian war wouldn't have started sooner!
    • Because Maribelle isn't a member of the Shepherds. She's a close friend of Lissa, and was explicitly waiting for her to get back.
    • But wasn't she technically part of the Shepherds initially? You know, as a horseback healer, even before the level, "Exault and the King"?
    • Point taken. I actually looked back over and noticed she is frequently described as a Shepherd. It's possible that Chrom doesn't always take everyone with him; he left Ricken behind (though that was because of his age), and meant to leave Sumia behind.
      • I see what you mean. Maybe it's because Chrom already has one healer (Lissa) in the party, and thought that adding Maribelle would be redundant. Besides, Clerics and Troubadours can't attack, so having multiple might be a liability.
      • But if what if Lissa dies during the expedition?! There wouldn't be anyone left to heal the party members without wasting healing items! It's always good to have an extra healer just in case!
    • It's also a diplomatic expedition, so it might be Chrom thinking that taking too many soldiers along would be seen as an attack. Or, if he knew of Regna Ferox's battle culture, it might be seen as taking many weak soldiers to appear strong.
    • Or the Shepherds are doing more things off-screen in other places.
  • The wording of the Avatar's ending (paired or otherwise) always confused me. It says that scholars wrote of his/her legendary exploits, but this is supposed to show the character's ending, what they did after the war. Does this somehow imply that the Avatar had other adventures after the Grima Wars? Or are the exploits referred to in the ending the Grima Wars themselves? The tense here confused me because all of the other endings referred to what the characters did afterwards, not how history remembered them. Furthermore, is there any reason suggested as to why the accounts of the Avatar's character are so vague (aside from their love for their spouse if they had one)?
    • The vagueness adds a sense of mystery to the character, implying that the Avatar is so extraordinary that no one could agree on what was fiction and what was true. All in all, their epilogue is deliberately vague to leave what the future holds for the Avatar up to the player's imagination. After all, the future is full of possibilities when you Screw Destiny as hard as the Avatar.
      • Also so they can get away with having all the different ways you can make Avatar look. I personally believe that since you are supposed to envision yourself as the Avatar giving him a specific ending would break that for several people who view their Avatar differently.
  • What's the deal with the two Morgans in the Future Past DLC? Grima!Robin says in Future Past 3 that Morgan failed "twice", yet the Morgans you encounter are always different sexes.
    • Grima refers to the Morgans like they are 2 separate individuals. One guess could be that in this timeline, the Morgans are fraternal twins... who share the same name for convenience sake. Another is that two different Morgans from two different timelines coincidentally appeared in the Future Past universe and both were drawn to Grima.
    • Actually, the weird thing is that Grima doesn't refer to the two Morgans as separate individuals, saying that he/she "failed twice" when the other child characters reunite with Lucina, rather than saying "you and your sister/brother both failed" like you would think.
    • Note that the line Grima says depends on the gender of your Avatar. With Female!Robin you get the failed twice line, but with Male!Robin you instead get: "Grr... So the Morgan I sent after your group failed as well."
  • In the Future Past DLC, how did Grima!Robin kill Naga? Naga said that herself and Grima couldn't end each other.
    • There's no definite answer, but it's possible that Grima found some kind of loophole. Perhaps he crafted his own kind of "Falchion" to put Naga to sleep and effectively take her out of the picture?
    • Or he just severed all of Naga's connections to the Future Past timeline (which a very-much-alive Naga confirms five minutes later), and was making up her death in order to demoralize Lucina and company.
  • Why does the Falchion randomly glow?
    • Maybe it was sensing Grima's blood in the Avatar and was reacting to it as a type of warning?
    • This could also have something to do with Aether activating.
    • I assumed it was because the past was being changed, and the times it glowed marked points when current events made a large or significant divergence from what originally happened. For instance, it glows during the assassination attempt on Emmeryn. She was supposed to have died, which had a massive impact on the future Lucina comes from, but the presence of Lucina and Robin changes the course of history.
  • Why did Marth choose to defeat Lon'qu and fight on behalf of Basilio against Chrom?
    • Perhaps in Lucina's future Chrom fought Lon'qu, lost, Basilio remained Khan and refused to provide Feroxi aid for the war with Plegia, and somehow or another this led to the Bad Future?
    • Or Marth made the same deal with Basilio that Chrom made with Flavia, so that no matter who won, Ylisse would get Ferox's support, with the actual fight being little more than formality (or, see below).
    • Or alternately Lucina just wanted a chance to test herself against her father without revealing her identity or alienating him.
    • Doesn't really explain why Marth will quite happily kill him and other important members of the party, which is completely at odds with his mission.
    • A manga included in Nintendo Dream in Japan confirms that Marth first came to Ragna Ferox looking for one of the Fire Emblem jewels, but became Basilio's champion, hoping to test himself against Chrom.
  • Where did Grima come from? If he's an Earth Dragon, then how did he/she/it come about since the Earth Dragons were sealed away?
    • The Shield of Seals was separated from its orbs (again), which weakened the seal on them (again).
  • How are Grima and Robin connected? Was Grima reincarnated as Robin after losing against Naga and the First Exalt with the Awakening Ceremony letting Robin regain memories, powers, etc. from centuries back? Was Grima lying dormant in Robin and then merged with Robin? Was Grima somewhere else and took over Robin through the ceremony?
    • Are you familiar with the continuity of Fire Emblem Jugdral? This whole thing works pretty much exactly like the Holy Blood system, with the Avatar being a non-evil Julius of sorts. To elaborate, Manakete can drop parts of their essence into other things. If they put it in items, they become artifacts, like Tyrfing or Falchion. They can also use this to create blood pacts with humans, giving them Holy Blood that they can pass on to their descendents and that allows them to channel these artifacts to their full power. By doing this, they obtain a limited connection with the person or object in question. Forseti could communicate with Lewyn through his spell tome, and even possessed him when he died. Of Julius, what we know is that he was a fairly normal child who could occasionally have strange moments of sadism until he took up the tome of Loptyr and became his true reincarnation. So he was himself, but also a small bit of Loptyr until then. The Avatar has no such connection to Grima via objects, only through blood. Presumably, Validar or one of his ancestors made a blood pact with Grima until they could breed a perfect vessel with enough Holy Blood to truly channel him (the stronger the Holy Blood, the stronger the connection). The point is that technically, the Avatar was only a small fragment of Grima. This is why they could be controlled by him to some extent, but not truly overcome unless they gave in and became the vessel, like the Hierophant. That said, this all becomes horribly headache-inducing once we favor in the whole time travel elements.
    • Although, it should be noted that Validar says that Robin has the soul of Grima, Robin says that he/she is the Fell Dragon, while the Hierophant also says that Robin has the heart of Grima while speaking as if he/she was seperate from the Fell Dragon even after going through a successful Awakening ceremony (with how he/she refers to Grima's power). As such, going by all of these, the way it seems to be is that apparently Grima's soul/heart/whatever went with the body of Validar's child, and in the event of a successful Awakening ceremony he/she well, awakens.
    • The Future Past 3 proves that Robin and Grima have separate souls, so Robin isn't a reincarnation of Grima or something like that.
  • How could Cynthia confuse the boss of her recruitment chapter for Chrom if he's her father? Did she somehow never see Chrom in person even though she isn't that much younger than Lucina (who remembered Chrom teaching her how to fight), never saw any depictions of him, and nobody who knew him personally described how he looked or acted?
    • Rule of Funny.
      • Which in itself doesn't seem like a particularly good explanation.
    • It could be that she's a fair amount younger than Lucina. I don't think any of the future children's ages are actually specified, plus Cynthia is one of the younger-looking ones (in my opinion, anyway). She could have been just young enough when Chrom died that her memories of him are kind of fuzzy. Cynthia does remember the nickname he had for her, but I guess that could very easily be chalked up to Rule of Funny.
      • This explanation doesn't work because Sumia says that she and Cynthia are "almost the same age". So unless Sumia is ALSO younger than Lucina, Cynthia can't be too much younger than Lucina.
      • There's no definite time given when Cynthia arrived in the past. For all we know, she could have been originally younger than Lucina before they went back, and Cynthia arrived a few years earlier than Lucina. There really doesn't have to be that much of a difference between Cynthia and Lucina's ages, anyway. Humans can't remember anything before a certain age, and Lucina could have been slightly older than that when Chrom dies, and Cynthia slightly younger.
      • As for the nickname, Cynthia could be testing Chrom to see if he really cared enough for her to call her that. Other theories include Cynthia's only memory of Chrom was him calling her that, or Chrom called her that before he died and Lucina and/or Owain kept on calling her that so that she would keep Chrom's memory alive.
    • Another question is how the idea that the bandit leader was Chrom to begin with popped into Cynthia's head. I mean, he does tell Cynthia not to call him Chrom in front of his men, implying that he wasn't the one who came up with it. Could Cynthia have just asked him if he was Chrom, or did he just pretend to be him?
      • He does run around convincing the neutral units on the map that he's Chrom. That seems to imply he's pretending to be Chrom for a little while, at least, even if it wasn't originally his idea.
      • It may help that Cynthia and the rest of that band are located on an isolated little island near the Valmese continent...cut off from both places, perhaps?
    • And then there's the question of how the townspeople mistook Chrom for his imposter at first sight. Before the stage begins, Chrom and the army get locked out of the town shops because of Ruger's (the imposter) actions. So it's implied that Ruger really did look a lot like Chrom. Also, on the Fridge page, there's an alternate theory that states that since bandits reuse portraits, Ruger probably did look like Chrom. But then at the end of the chapter, Frederick says that he would post pictures of Chrom so that no one would try to imitate him again. Which wouldn't help if Ruger looked just like Chrom.
    • You can look similar to someone, but not exactly like someone. That's why there are things called "impersonators". Ruger could have likely had a similar build/facial structure/hair colour as Chrom, but not exactly the same as him. Frederick's comment is along the lines of "this will help people know exactly how Chrom looks like, so bandits won't try that again."
  • Is there any particular reason why Inigo's father supports always mention Lucina? With Chrom, it would make sense because Lucina would be Inigo's sister in that case. But what about if Chrom's not the father? It just seems odd to that Inigo's father would bring up Lucina, let alone criticize Inigo for not being more like her otherwise.
    • Because Lucina is the only mandatory 2nd generation character, and could always be someone else Inigo would be compared to, in case none of the other characters were recruited.
      • Seems to make sense. But there's the whole issue about being compared to someone who probably wouldn't get much of a chance to know Lucina. The mention of Lucina in Inigo's father supports just seems odd in all but every possible outcome but one. (Read: Again, if he's Chrom's son, the support doesn't seem as odd.) I guess this is more fridge logic than anything.
    • Apperently, Henry is the only one out of Inigo's father options that doesn't mention Lucina. Which begs the question: Wouldn't it have made more sense for Henry's conversation with Inigo to be the generic one, and the conversation where Lucina's mentioned to be exclusive to Inigo's supports with Chrom?
  • So anyways, this could just be because I'm not looking in the right places, but how come Nintendo's so hush hush about this game? Do they just want to avoid hyping people out, or were they unsure about when it would be finished?
    • It takes them awhile, but it's in full swing in the last month. There are internet ads, constant Facebook posts... It's the most advertised Fire Emblem in North America that I've ever seen.
      • It looked like they asked why they were hush-hush about it back prior to the months leading up to January. It seemed to be mostly "And oh yeah, we're also localizing ''Fire Emblem Awakening too." after E3. I can understand not having a trailer, but it seemed to mostly be thrown on as an afterthought.
    • Fire Emblem is pretty obscure in the West, that's why. Think about it: if Kid Icarus: Uprising didn't have an Early-Bird Cameo in Brawl, would you have heard of its first game?
  • Are they seriously renaming My Unit to Avatar? IMO, that's the most unnecessary Dub Name Change I've ever seen.
    • It's less Engrishy for one, and that's precisely what it's supposed to be, an avatar for the player.
    • Also. an Avatar is a manifestation of a god in the physical plane, like what your Avatar was supposed to be the evil dragon god.
  • So Grima is a evil, super-powerful Dragon that will basically kill almost everybody in Ylisse and Valm, alongside the Risen. So, why is Validar so eager to do all of this when it could bring his death? What's in it for him and the Grimleal?
  • Speaking of Grima, is he Medeus with his name changed over the years or some other dragon of the Earth Tribe? The wording is a bit too vague for me.
    • Probably not. There's a WMG that Grima is actually Loptyr that goes into further detail about that.
  • So... how the hell did the Avatar survive in the end? How long does it take for him/her to return?
    • Why, the Power of Friendship of course! Friendship can do anything. Literally, anything. Judging from how Lissa still looks very young, it's likely Chrom and Lissa find the Avatar not very long after defeating Grima.
    • Other stories have had similar things as this. Think of what happens in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Since Avatar/Robin has a portion of Grima in themselves/is a vessel of Grima, striking the final blow against Grima could cause a backlash into the "main" soul, destroying it.
  • When the Avatar recruits Morgan, he/she asks her/him if she/he came back from the future with Lucina. Yet, if the Avatar married a second generation character, this would be impossible, as Morgan couldn't possibly have existed in that timeline. Especially nonsensical if the Avatar married Lucina. Why didn't they change the conversation for this scenario? Or is there some explanation I'm not thinking of?
    • It's possible that the Avatar thought that he/she married a different person in Lucina's timeline and that Morgan is the result of that relationship. Either that or he/she is just flustered.
    • For all we know, Morgan could have traveled back from a further point in the Bad Future if the Avatar married a second generation character... Though that raises a bit of Fridge Horror. Also, Morgan in general is very confusing...
  • Actually, serious question...how old are the children from the future? And do they ever state how old they are in gameplay? I'm sort of confused about their age. All I know for certain is that Lucina's the eldest and that Brady is much younger than he looks, as revealed by his "C" support with Lucina. Likewise, Laurent looks to be the oldest, but I hear he says he went back further in time than the others.
    • Timey-Wimey Ball is in full effect — Whereas Lucina went back only two years before the invasion by Valm, Laurent went back five due to unspecified complications. There's no telling how far back the others went, nor what their physical age was before the journey anyway. It gets kinda confusing at this point.
    • Also, there's the possibility that not all of them came from the same time period or even the same universe.
    • Looking at hints throughout the game and supports, it looks like they are all around 18 years old. Lucina specifically says that Grima's return happens "over 10 years" from the present, and it's implied that they fought the Risen for a few years before traveling back in time. Also, they mention several times how weird it is to be "almost the same age" as their parents, and most first generation characters are in their early-to-mid 20s.
    • We know Lucina was born first, and in order for Laurent to be older than her, he had to have been born no more than two years after her (since he went back three years earlier). The rest of them don't really have a lot of other ways to guess their age, other than Morgan might be the youngest due to being potentially anyone's sibling (or third generation for that matter).
  • If, in the Bad Future, Chrom was supposed to die in that particular battle against Validar, then how was his second child born? Unless his wife was already pregnant with the second kid at that point in the story, but then you'd think they'd mention it.
    • It's quite possible that particular battle happened much later in the timeline. Remember, Lucina's intervention changed, and quite possibly accelerated, events.
      • Either that or Chrom and his wife had a little Pre-Climax Climax off-screen before that battle...
    • I assume the person above me who stated the particular battle happened much later in the timeline was correct. Here's what my interpretation of events is: Without Lucina's intervention, when assassins came to kill Emmeryn, Chrom is wounded and can't fight off the assassins. Gaius is recruited with sweets, while he or the Avatar gets Chrom to safety. Validar tries to find the Avatar, but decides that stealing the Fire Emblem and killing Emm was good enough. But now he knows that the Avatar is with Chrom. The war against the Mad King continues, but Validar doesn't get every stone or become the ruler of Plegia until much much later, when Lucina and her younger sibling are children or teens. He needs the orbs from Valm, which are now held by Chrom, Flavia, and Tiki. Thus, it takes longer for him to get the stones and get ready to perform the Awakening Ritual... but to do this, he also needs to provoke Chrom and the Avatar to come after him. He attempts to assassinate Chrom or Lissa, and they naturally respond by declaring war with Plegia. They follow him, and the Avatar is possessed by Grima. Time continues for a few years while Grima gathers forces and causes a Zombie Apocalypse. The children travel to the past to avert this tragedy, while Laurent accidentally went back three years before Lucina did. Because Lucina intervened, Emerynn wasn't assassinated by Validar, but instead captured by Gangrel. Her sacrifice caused the citizens of Plegia to rebel and defect en masse. The Mad King was defeated a tad earlier than normal because he lost support of the Plegian civilians, and Validar took the throne next. Thus, Lucina's intervention accidentally accelerated the events leaving to the Avatar's possession and Chrom's death, but her knowledge of what would happen allowed Basilio to feign death against Walhart and switch the green orb with a fake, subsequently letting the Avatar weaken his magic to injure Chrom, but not actually kill him. In order to let this ruse be successful, the Avatar had to not tell anybody, especially not Lucina, about this, so Chrom's "death" and Lucina's Big "NO!" will be legit.
    • Official translated material confirms that Emmeryn got assassinated by Validar in the Bad Future timeline, and that the war with Gangrel lasted longer as a result.
    • Actually, better idea, it wasn't so much Lucina's intervention as it was Grima's. Here's what I think happened — if it was just Lucina, then Validar would not be able to resurrect Grima because Validar is dead and would therefore not become ruler of Plegia. Because Grima followed Lucina and the other children, he revived Validar so he could accelerate events. Had Grima not chased Lucina into the past, Validar would have died, and that tragedy would be averted unless someone else in the Grimleal took Validar's place. I doubt Aversa would have done so.
      • Adding on to the idea of Grima being at fault, had he not tried to merge with the Present day Avatar, he likely wouldn't have lost all of his memories, and thus the bonds he forged with Chrom and the others wouldn't have been so deep for him to allow him to overcome attempts at possession or the will to sacrifice himself.
      • Thus, Grima became Hoist by His Own Petard.
      • Also, in the original timeline, with Chrom wounded from the assassination attempt, the task of defending Emmeryn and the Fire Emblem from Validar probably fell to the Avatar, who, without Chrom or Lucina as backup, failed to protect either of them. This probably shook the rest of the Shepherds' trust in him/her (possibly with some accusations that s/he let them in on purpose), which would later explain why the Avatar was more open to succumbing to Grima later on. Thanks to Lucina, Emmeryn's capture and death both happen under much different circumstances that the Avatar had little-to-no control over, which is why the rest of the Shepherds still trust them.
  • In the final battle, while the heroes are fighting on Grima's back, why didn't Grima just do a barrel roll? Quick, easy deaths for everyone.
    • Because the only rabbits around to tell him about that option also happen to be fighting against him, and they're sure not going to tell him how to beat them.
    • A few reasons I assume: 1) The Avatar is also on his back — that'd surely kill them, too. 2) The other Avatar is also on his back, and doing a barrel roll will probably send them off, too.
    • Naga would probably find some way to intervene and keep the playing field even.
    • Grima is huge, remember. Agility is probably not his strong point.
      • Size isn't an issue here. Look at Deathwing. His size is estimated to be at least 800ft long, and he can do a barrel roll during his raid fight when the players are on his back. Grima doesn't do that likely because of the aforementioned reasons.... and Grima might not be too bright either.
  • Libra is often mentioned praying to gods and often uses "In Naga's name." Which would be fine, as he's a religious man, but he's also an Ylissean priest and one that is supposed to be directly supporting Emmeryn. Emmeryn is a follower of Naga and considered to be part of the Divine Dragon's chosen bloodline. So.. who exactly is Libra praying to? And why, when his closest "god" is a female dragon?
    • What's the problem here? He went to help save Emmeryn as part of his duties as priest, and he believes in Naga as much as any of the other Ylissean religious person. Just because Naga herself denies any claims of divinity, doesn't mean nobody, Libra included, believes in her as a god.
  • Anyone else find it rather odd that Say'ri has so little support options for where she joins in the game? Especially since the second generation does? I'm not say, wondering why she wasn't the mother of a second generation character sans Morgan (since I think she actually died in the Bad Future the children came from, meaning she couldn't have had any kids to begin with.) She joins only a short while after Chereche, so how come her only support options are with the Avatar, Morgan, and Tiki?
    • Either A: The Dev Team ran out of ideas, or B: Say'ri is so foreign the only person she can relate to is the Avatar, her kid, and... Tiki.
      • I personally think it might be A, but B could be a good justification in-universe. Her being able to support with Tiki makes sense (after all, it was Say'ri who told Chrom's army to go look for her in the first place), but still, she probably would have a few things to say to Chereche given that she was from Valm more recently. (Virion had moved over to Ylisse over two years ago)
    • I think it's as you said, and because she died in the alternate future. The chapter with Yen-fay as the boss isn't too far ahead of her recruitment, so it might be possible that she didn't have much time to talk with that many people aside from the supports she does have.
    • It is possible in the original timeline that Say'ri never meets Chrom's army and therefore she does not have a child in the future or at least a child familiar with Lucina and the others.
    • Even then, why couldn't she have a Support with the alternate Dimension Yen'fay?
  • Walhart's empire's army being a million strong. That's not the problem. While a very high number, he is the ruler of an entire continent, and given his attitude, there presumably are pretty extensive recruitment laws. The problem is how this army is being defeated so easily by Chrom's band and a few thousand Feroxi redshirts. Even with the Avatar's genius strategizing, even with Yen'fay holding back, even with the support of the rebels, which are said to be hundreds of thousands (except then they turn against you too...), even with public support and all that, this sort of victory is hard to swallow. The thing is that even if the Avatar sabotages communication and sows disorder and everything, all it would take is a fraction of this number to crush the heroes. Just five percent should be sufficient to outnumber and outmaneuver them. It would be easier to believe if Walhart's troops were said to be mostly cheap, inexperienced recruits, but they explicitly point out that his forces have excellent equipment and training, as well as soaring morale. Even with each of Chrom's soldiers being a One-Man-Army, they would have to kill thousands of people each to balance this out. Just taking Steiger or Walhart's castle should have been impossible by sheer numbers of defenders alone.
    • Perhaps for some reason not all of the defenders were at the castle during the time of the attack. Others could have switched sides or abandoned the cause, like during the first war against Gangrel.
    • They could also be exaggerating.
    • Valm is an gigantic continent. With recently conquered states that may rebel at any time if they sense weakness, a million soldiers have to be spread out throughout the entire continent. How many soldiers does it take to occupy a chaotic and hostile nation? A million soldiers doesn't seem like enough for a continent that big and that recently conquered.
    • A few of the Avatar's schemes involve having a large force (Basilio, Flavia, the rest of the army) distract and fight the Valmese army outside while a small force (your units) attacks the fortress. Off-screen fighting.
    • It's implied that Ylisse has more than just the Shepherds as an army. Several generic soldiers appear on occasion, such as Lon'qu and Vaike's Harvest Scramble conversation.
    • When Basilio and Flavia charge north, they could have been in a few skirmishes.
    • They might be busy conquering somewhere else?
    • Bandits.
    • Or a combination of all of the above.
  • As far as I've understood, Validar is the father of the Avatar. Doesn't this mean that Morgan and possibly one of the other children are related by blood to Validar?
    • Yes, so? Doesn't really have any practical effect. They can be related to Naga too if the Avatar marries Tiki, Chrom, or Lissa.
  • A little curious about the censorship for the Summer Scramble DLC. Tharja's swimsuit-clad butt is blocked by a cloak, yet Nowi talks on and on about her "boingy bits" and feels her up in her sleep. Then again, it's possible the censors did some sort of trade-off. "Boingy bits are fine, but no butt cracks". Though that still doesn't explain Cordelia's top coming off...
    • Censorship, by its very nature, is inexact and arbitrary. Somebody apparently decided that a shot of Tharja's bikini-clad behind would set off Moral Guardian overreactions more readily than a fairly easily missed pair of conversations regarding Tharja's boobs (for the US version at least, the EU changes it to her hair). It's illogical, but that's the way censors know some people have weird standards, so they tend to be paranoid.
    • Besides the censorship on that scene makes it look like instead of adjusting her swimsuit, she's getting ready to Going Commando. Which is even better.
  • So, where precisely do the Risen come from anyway? Presumably, they are a result of Grima's presence. But Grima's not awakened in the past yet. So, are they invading from the future? Or are Validar and the Grimleal making them?
    • They are from the future. They are seen first emerging from the same portal that brings Lucina back in time. IIRC, they are supposed to be the reanimated corpses of soldiers that died fighting against Grima in Lucina's bad future timeline.
    • Seems like a case of Nice Job Breaking It, Hero on Naga's part; she let the Risen AND Future Grima return to the past. But since this ultimately allowed Lucina to avert the Bad Future, it's all good.
    • Though some came from the future, it's implied that not all of them did. If you remember, Aversa was shown controlling and summoning them seemingly out of nowhere around Chapter 9. It's implied that the Grimleal are able to control and maybe even create them with dark magic. That, or Aversa was simply given that ability after Grima decided to interfere in the timeline.
      • Henry also mentions figuring out how to summon Risen in his supports with Robin, so the idea of the Grimleal being able to create/control Risen seems pretty plausible.
      • Also it seems like at least a good amount of Risen who were people that were killed and revived as Risen so some of the Risen could be fallen soldiers who were revived as Risen.
    • You're questioning where bloody zombies are coming from in a video game? Really?
  • In Hot Spring Scramble, why does Anna make Lucina dye her hair? I get the dyeing thing with Severa and Owain, so they don't have to make a different CG slide for every possible parent and hair color combination, but Lucina's hair is already and exclusively blue!
    • Presumably this is to make it slightly less obvious as to WHY they're doing the dyes for the other characters. Dyeing the other characters and not Lucina would make it more obvious.
    • Well, for what it's worth, the dye does make Lucina's hair look a little shinier and darker than usual. I guess Anna was just trying to be dramatic and didn't want to exclude Lucina?
  • In-universe, Lucina explains her reasoning for becoming "Marth". But did that plot element accomplish *anything* progress-wise in the greater scale? She loses the disguise fairly early and people still don't figure out her identity. The Mark of Naga is only visible if one goes really close, and Falchion makes Chrom scratch his head, but he still doesn't figure it out until she accidentally calls him Father. So, why make Lucina "Marth" and not just style her as "that mysterious female warrior" from the start? Were they just trying to gain more awareness this way because Marth is popular in Japan?
    • It is almost certain that the primary reason for the disguise was to appeal to Marth fans. Story-wise, since Awakening is a distant future sequel to Shadow Dragon, the writers probably wanted as many ways as possible to make that clear, such as bringing ancient hero Marth into the story somehow. Honestly, though, aside from adding an interesting, mysterious character to the first half of the game, Lucina's disguise didn't accomplish anything, but it's justified since Lucina was afraid of creating time paradoxes, which ultimately were nothing to worry about due to the Outrealm mechanic.
    • It also works as a misdirection for people who haven't played the game. Look at the cover. Seeing a mysterious masked man going in the opposite direction as Chrom and friends makes him look a lot like a villain, or at least someone with ulterior motives. This is reinforced when he introduces himself as Marth and has knowledge of the future, with the added benefit of his being Marth making us not question his hair color being identical to Chrom's. Now imagine that, instead, on the cover and throughout the game, it was a random young woman with the exact same hair color as Chrom. Just looking at the cover, people would likely assume that Lucina was either a younger sister or daughter of Chrom, which would be reinforced as soon as she started helping them. Plus, it allowed there to be multiple Reveals about her character, instead of just one big one.
  • Am I the only one bothered by how many people are claiming Henry is a Stepford Smiler? Seriously, there's NOTHING in his support conversations (English OR Japanese) that suggest he's faking his cheerful personality. Especially in his supports with Olivia. Olivia came across as bossy and unhelpful, as if she could know Henry better than he knew himself. Her stupid ploy of randomly getting cursed to force an emotional reaction out of Henry came off as terribly manipulative rather than actually helping him. Clearly there are things in Henry's past that make him sad (the murder of his wolf friend, being sent to horrible schools/institutions), but I don't see why that HAS to mean he's obviously crying weepy tears deep inside his soul. Why can't people have a horrible past, but still turn out cheerful and optimistic? Is it because of Henry's morbid fascination with fighting and blood and so on? It seriously grinds my gears when people claim Olivia was "oh so helpful" and claiming their supports were heartwarming, because it's not. It's manipulative BS. Their S support in English was way better, where Olivia admits she was wrong and apologizes for doing what she did.
    • This is better suited for YMMV because it is mostly an opinion rather than a question that wants an answer. However, I agree that Henry is not a stepford smiler and is simply a bit insane. At least in the English translation. Apparently in the original Japanese version, he is a stepford smiler, so... maybe a little of both?
  • A little bit of a question, a little bit of something that just sort of bugs me... In the game, it is specifically mentioned that if the Avatar's ties to her/his companions are strong enough, s/he could conceivably be brought back from being Deader than Dead. Okay, cool. I can roll with that. I am a sucker for happy endings. What bothers me is that you don't have to Earn Your Happy Ending. If you leave all of your Avatar's supports with every single character at zero — which, granted, would take almost as much effort as maxing them all out — s/he will still survive the Cessation of Existence. I really feel like there should have been some sort of condition for survival, such as requiring the Avatar to have at least B-level support with, say, half or more of the allies s/he has recruited by the time of the battle with Grima. Considering such an emphasis was put on the fact that strong ties were needed for the Avatar to survive, it struck me as strange that it didn't matter whether or not you'd put any effort at all into actually forming strong bonds between the Avatar and the other characters.
    • That would have been a fantastic dynamic to add to the ending, but it seems like the developers wanted to make sure the game had a happy ending no matter what. The ending itself is an example of Gameplay and Story Segregation, but could be justified that the player bonded with each character instead of their Avatar.
  • In one of Henry's support conversations, he mentions that the reason he warned the group about Emmeryn's execution was because he didn't want to prematurely end a perfectly good war. The problem is that, as far as I can tell, he didn't warn them. He first appears two years after Emmeryn's death, and no mention of him is made at any point before that. It can't even be assumed that he was the one who warned Basilio's spy about the execution off-screen, either, as the spy specifically said that he heard about the execution straight from Gangrel's mouth. So is this possibly a bit of leftover dialogue that the writers didn't catch from an earlier script where Henry showed up before Emmeryn's death rather than after the Time Skip, or am I missing something?
    • The person he warned was Panne, and that was the reason why she showed up in the palace during the attempted assassination.
      • Oh! Thank you, that makes so much more sense now.
  • Why doesn't Lissa have the Mark of the Exalt anywhere on her body? It kinda bugs me that she doesn't have it. Is the implication that she's unworthy for some reason?
    • As explained by Owain, who does have it, it was mere chance that Lissa did not inherit the brand. A one in a thousand coincidence.
    • It could also be that she does have the Brand — but it's in a place that can't be seen outwardly; maybe on her heart or something. Since Lucina has the brand on her eye, it can clearly appear anywhere on the body without causing discomfort.
      • This might be supported by something Owain says in his paralogue. While it could just be some weird wording, he specifically says Lissa's Brand never "surfaced", so maybe all of the royal family has the brand even if it can't actually be seen.
      • Adding onto the "surfaced" idea, it could have surfaced in a part of her body that could be seen, but it surfaced in a part of her body that's always covered up and she also can't see. Such as her buttocks. I'm guessing that if it surfaced, it would have been after she was old enough to bathe herself, so no one else could see. Except possibly her husband.
      • Thanks for that.
      • So you're saying Lissa could potentially have a tramp-stamp? Hot.
  • Why do anti-mounted weapons work on taguel characters class changed to human classes? Anti-dragon weapons still working on class changed manaketes makes sense, because they're pretty blatantly magical weapons. But all the anti-mounted weapons are physically designed to be super effective vs cavalry, and while a shapeshifted taguel is close enough shapewise for that to make sense, there's no reason for Rapiers to be super effective lethal vs Panne as a thief but not other thieves.
    • The "anti-mounted" weapons are actually anti-animal weapons. Even when she's not turning into a Killer Rabbit, Panne is still blatantly part-animal. You might as well ask why rapiers are effective against horsemen in the first place.
  • So, Grima ended up in the past because he followed Lucina back, right? Yet Robin loses his/her memories, which specifically happened because of Grima, shortly before Lucina even shows up. Am I missing something obvious here, or is this supposed to imply that Grima just got paranoid and went back a little earlier than he thought would be necessary?
    • If Naga can't control the exact time and place the childern landed in the past, I don't see how Grima, an equally powerful godlike dragon, would. He just happened to pop up in the past before Lucina did.
  • How did Lucina know that Basilio was going to be killed by Walhart? She states that she's never been to Valm because all of the ships were gone in the future, so there's no way she could have known.
    • Simple. Reports come back, describing what happened. Don't forget that in the bad future timeline, Chrom and co. died much later than they would have in the changed timeline (I don't see how Chrom could possibly teach an infant how to fight).
      • Lucina states Grima would be revived in 10 years from the present day. So she was at least 10 when Chrom died. I don't think he turned her into a full-fledged warrior, but I'm sure he may have given her some tutoring, which she took and perfected on her own.
  • This is more of a gameplay question, but with stat caps, how are max-stat children stronger than max-stat parents?
    • For details on modifiers. But basically, children's modifiers are determined by this formula: Mother's Modifiers + Father's Modifier's + 1 for each stat.
  • Nah's age doesn't make sense with how Manakete's aging works. Nowi is stated to be over 1,000 and looks like a child. Nah actually looks older than her mother. It's been stated Manaketes age very oddly, apparently every thousand years is about ten years for humans. This might get chalked up to her being half-human, but still...
    • This reminds me of how mythical creatures like vampires and demons usually work. They age normally until they reach a sufficiently mature age, then they age slowly. For Manaketes, maybe that age is 10?
  • Seeing as how the Morgans fight under Grima in the Future Past, why didn't Grima!Robin ever keep any of the children who aren't Ylissean royalty with him?
    • Morgan is the Avatar's own child. It's stated that their loyalty to the Avatar was so strong they could overlook what their parent became. It wasn't a matter of brainwashing or We Can Rule Together, no other child could possibly have the kind of loyalty Morgan does.
  • Why didn't Chrom and co. suspect the Avatar's origins from the beginning? His/her coat shares distinct similarities with the outfits of Henry and Tharja, right down to the colour and creepy eye motif, so it's safe to say it's a Plegian thing. It's understandable that Chrom might be ignorant of Plegian fashion, but you'd think Emmeryn, who would be educated in the appearances and culture of her increasingly hostile western neighbour, would figure something was up.

     Excessively recessive genes? 

  • I married Tiki and the Avatar, and that caused several problems with the plot. In Tiki and Nah's support, they make a point of saying Nah is the first and only Manakete human hybrid when Tiki's own child is also a hybrid! Morgan and Nah also have a conversation during Harvest Scramble about Nah's age and nature as part Manakete, which makes no sense when Morgan is also half Manakete. I know the Dev Team can't think of everything (and they did consider a lot when making the pairings for these games). but I still feel it needs to be pointed out somewhere.
    • I think that this may be the case because Tiki does not have a child in this game.
    • It was probably just an oversight since Morgan's parentage has little to no impact on the plot, even when it means she's the granddaughter of Naga. They probably wrote those lines that way because Morgan is only half-Manakete under some very specific circumstances. It might come up in a possible future DLC, but not until then.
      • Morgan can also be part-Manakete if her mother is Nowi or Nah. Though that's still a bit specific, and she wouldn't be Naga's granddaughter in those cases, but that's still enough of a chance that you'd think the devs would catch it.

     The real answer is clearly that he's from Ancient Greece. 

  • So Priam claims to be a descendant in some fashion of Ike, but he does not have Aether. In Awakening, Ike still has it despite not being the same class as Chrom or Lucina. And Aether is one of the inherited skills, just like how Ike had it passed down from his father. So... why wouldn't he have it?
    • He's a descendant of Ike... but who says that a descendant of his sister couldn't inherit Ragnell, but not Aether?
      • This theory that he is a descendant through Ike's sister is looking more and more likely to me, also given his vague wording.
      • Actually, when you look at Lucina, Chrom's child, she has inherited Aether, yet Chrom's possible son (when paired with MU) Morgan does NOT inherit Aether, getting Rightful King instead. In Awakening, Aether can only be inherited by a daughter. Ike could have simply been a special case as he perfected/invented Aether to begin with. Plus, it makes sense that Ike is the ancestor, given Priam's location NOT being in Tellius, where Mist remained after Radiant Dawn, unlike a certain intrepid Hero of Legend. More importantly is the fact that being related to Ike isn't worth much if you don't learn his fighting style, something Mist has no way of passing down.
      • Wrong. Morgan can very well inherit Aether. The child characters (with the exception of Lucina, I'd presume) inherit the last skill each of their parents equipped, so your Morgan only inherited Rightful King because it was the last skill your Chrom equipped before taking the Morgan Paralogue. So, skill meddling aside, a hypothetical "grandchild" character would likely not inherit a skill from his grandparent, but rather another skill his parent acquired and equipped afterwards. So it's perfectly reasonable for Priam to lack Aether, even though he's from Ike's bloodline.
      • Chrom's inheritance mechanics work different, he will only pass on Aether to females and Rightful King to males, regardless of if he even has the skills, let alone whether or not they're placed on the bottom.
      • Just to let the above guy know: If you're not a Lord, then a male unit inheriting Aether and a female inheriting Rightful King in Awakening is impossible due to the inheritance mechanics. Of course, given the new theory that Tellius is far in the past, at some point, a descendant of Ike may very well not have passed Aether down their bloodline. And of course, Priam still comes with the two skills that combined make up Aether: Sol and Luna. Throw in the fact that Ike only gets Aether after being promoted and it seems that like the Rapier/Falchion weapons are only usably by those born to or recognized by nobility, hence why Ike's descendant as something of a vagabond wouldn't have access to it.
      • Greil, Ike's father, gets Aether as well (this takes some messing around in PoR to see, but still...), and "could have been a special case" doesn't explain away why Priam, a first gen character, couldn't just be given the skill if he in fact is a direct descendant of the first main character who had Aether. It would be the most definite link between the two, and heck, how was Chrom able to learn it if only women seem to get it in Awakening, as you seem to be saying? Aether being lost in a generation might be understandable in a hypothetical gameplay sense, but since the character is introduced as a first generation character, it makes little sense as far as story goes (a unique and powerful trademark skill being replaced with a common and less impressive one). And Aether is also treated in-game as a skill that will always be passed down to certain people (even if a certain someone can't use it yet, or if it isn't his fifth skill, and as far as Serenes Forest says, Aether is "always inherited" through Chrom, Lucina, and female Morgan with Lucina as her mother). Sol and Luna are obvious references to Aether, and yet he just doesn't get Aether? Him having "Aether in theory" would make more sense if that also extended to Ike in this game, but Ike can still get Aether in this game as well. Awakening also mentions people meeting the laguz and such, which gives the impression that traveling between the two worlds is not exclusive to Ike. And Priam is mentioned to be a world traveler. Ike is famous in both worlds and has had sparring partners in the games, so if in fact Priam does fight just like Ike, it's not like Ike couldn't have trained others who passed down his style. (It does give a "descendant in the disciple sense" theory an angle, as well.) It's too vague to call either way for certain.
      • "Descendant in the discipline" is an interesting idea. Though that means we have a character who looks like Ike, has Ragnell, claims to be a descendant of the "Radiant Hero", has trained in the style perfected by Ike, has the same eating habits (meat), has Sol and Luna despite not having Aether, and resides in the world of Awakening. Given that the Tellius games occurred at least 5000 years prior to Awakening (as the Archanaea games were 2000 years before Awakening), and the fact that Ike left Tellius forever, WAS NEVER SEEN AGAIN, and took Ragnell with him after Radiant Dawn, the idea that someone else (be it Boyd and Mist's child or not) somehow found Ike in time to learn his style of fighting to continue the tradition either makes for a ridiculous fanfiction ass-pull or a GREAT basis for another Fire Emblem game (rekindling of the Radiant Hero's flame!). While it's true nothing definitive can be said, a straight descendant makes the idea a lot more plausible given the absurd amount of time that has passed since Ike departed Tellius.
      • If he was literally never seen again, that would make it a bit difficult for him to start a family (probably not what you meant, er). If "never seen again" applies to only the people of Tellius, Ike could have been a Hermit Guru just chilling on an island a la Yoda once he finished traveling (fight for your friends, you must). His fame that apparently carried over from Tellius might cause him to be sought out by many intrepid hero types, with some mastering it and then taking up that same role as SENSEI. Like a fighting style cult. Then the Tellius emigrant Priam or someone higher up tries tracking the footsteps of DA HERO and finds said cult. It would explain his obsession with fighting, anyway. And are we sure that Ike took Ragnell, Begnion's national treasure that he returned after Path of Radiance? But the question of where Ragnell is of less importance if we know that people other than Ike can go back and forth between worlds. Priam/someone from Mist's line could have taken it from Begnion or it could be some "sword in the stone" situation. Not the simplest of possibilities, but it doesn't contradict anything we know and it stays in line with "Ike doesn't marry/have kids/would probably pass on Aether". Those are liable to change, but given what we know, and I'm sure IS knows what they already have established. And the simplest explanations tend to make for a dull story anyway.
      • As far as appearances go, Mist also carries the genetic information of her brother that can resurface over that much time, unless there's an unnerving line of Generation Xerox for thousands of years. Not to mention that blue is not an uncommon FE hair color. How similar this "descendant" is to Ike outside of hair color can be called into question as well. Big Eater is a common enough trait amongst heroes and what else we see of Priam's disposition seems to... well, contrast with Ike's, so it's not like he's Generation Xerox anyway. And who knows, given all these implied apocalyptic happenings (the fate of the laguz, the situation of Altea), it could be somehow related to the upcoming Shin Megami Tensei crossover with Priam or someone higher up the line to see just what went down in Tellius. The epilogue of Radiant Dawn mentions another huge war in the making. Maybe young Priam/someone up his line gets involved...? This timeline stuff is all confusing. It's very Wild Mass Guessing, but his existence that has not been very much expanded upon feels like some kind of hook for something between a sequel (for the Tellius saga) and a prequel (for Awakening).
      • That is something that needs to happen. Priam wasn't really even in the game, and look at all the discussion he's caused. Ensemble Darkhorse in the making!
      • He really does seem like a character who was introduced to be all mysterious and induce speculation, since details about him are vague. These vague details about Tellius as a whole do make it feel like we might be revisiting it. And "Megami"=Ashera/Yune/Ashunera? Order Versus Chaos being involved? It could be pretty cool if Priam was involved in something major Tellius-related, being the Marth to Ike's Anri, rather than a line of Ike doing nothing of interest until Awakening. And what if he was a Brande- wait, that's a bit much.
      • Oh, and though the obvious answer is probably "Tellius wasn't planned at the time", it could explain why no one from the relevant older games ever met someone wielding Ragnell during a conflict that needed strong warriors. Or why the legend about Ike was never mentioned then. Nice shiny clean continuity.
      • Ike didn't put Aether in the bottom skill slot. Simples.
      • Ike has the option to pick one of two smarties to go with him, no way would he make such a mistake. But really, lack of Aether defeats the point of trying to pass on sword skills.
      • Ike does NOT inherit Aether from Greil. He has to learn the skill himself. I think that's what they were going for with Priam. He hasn't yet mastered the skill.
      • Priam already looks older than Ike did in Radiant Dawn. For someone so dedicated to the sword, he must be a slow learner. Good enough to get all those Breaker skills he shouldn't have, and yet not Aether somehow? Perhaps he just doesn't have the inherent ability to learn it.
      • Priam could very well be the direct descendant of Ike. Aether is a Vanguard skill as of Radiant Dawn as it is no longer accessible to Heroes, and since third-tier classes are unavailable in Awakening, it's almost a no-brainer that Priam doesn't have Aether; he's not a third-tier class, only a second-tier one. If third-tier classes were accessible in Awakening, Priam would be a Vanguard instead of a Hero and have Aether unquestionably. The only reason he does not have it in Awakening is because Chrom is the only one who learns it in that game despite not being a Vanguard for some really odd reason, and only daughters of Chrom can inherit it (most likely to ensure that Lucina will always inherit it). That brings up two more questions: how the hell does Chrom even get Aether in the first place and why the hell do only his daughters get it? No other Lord in the series other than Ike in Path of Radiance gets the skill. Ike started out as a Ranger, a class exclusive to him that is basically a special Mercenary class; when he promotes to Lord, he's essentially a special Hero (which can learn the skill), and Greil himself has it since he's a Hero. Even though the only Mercenary related class users were male (and related no less), that does not mean that Aether is a gender exclusive class. Theoretically, anyone who becomes a Hero (PoR) or Vanguard should have access to the skill and pass it on to their kids if they desire so. The only skills that can not be inherited in Awakening were DLC Skills or skills from DLC classes (sons could inherit female exclusive skills such as Demoiselle and daughters could inherit male exclusive skills such as Counter). Chrom's inheritance system and by extension his descendants' are the only unique ones, as male descendants will always inherit Rightful King and female descendants will always inherit Aether. Aether should be completely inaccessible to Chrom and his descendants based on class-availability. His (and Lucina's) Lord and Great Lord classes are not related to the Mercenary-related classes at all, but he gets the skill anyways (probably for Rule of Cool as Aether is a very Bad Ass skill). Someone care to explain why this is so?
      • Priam's skillset doesn't seem to be all too concerned with what his classes are as it is, so he very well could have been given Aether. It'd be less of a question if Aether wasn't accessible at all in the game, obviously, but since Chrom and certain children can get it "for some reason" (indeed, Rule of Cool), why not the person who would have the most connection to the skill in the first place? Awakening itself makes a note of how Ike used Aether, so it is clearly a big deal. Like you pointed out, classes or tiers are not going to be a very rigid structure the designers are forced to abide by if they have a cool skill/idea in mind, so any technical reasons that Priam wouldn't have Aether don't make a lot of sense. And going by Rule of Cool, why not give Priam Aether so he'd have room for Tomebreaker? Not like the game is very balanced anyway.
      • The reason Priam doesn't get Aether is very simple. It is to keep Aether exclusive to Chrom's family. Spotpass and DLC units can't marry and thus can't pass on Aether to anyone.
  • And to explain the folder title, Priam was the king of Troy during the Trojan War, and the father of Paris.
  • Also, the name for Rightful King is actually a translation error. In Japanese the skill is Rightful Heir, which is gender neutral. Just throwing that out there.
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