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"Any time there's a crossover in, say, Comic Books there's a risk that one team or hero will overshadow the other, questioning the competence or effectiveness of the other."
Who doesn't love character team-ups
? Be it in comic books, cartoons, literature, TV or other media, putting two heroes (or villains!) together can make for exciting stories. However, care should go into this "matchmaking", since not every team up is thematically appropriate or compatible power-wise. If the creative teams go ahead with the team up anyway (the pull of Wolverine Publicity
and Money, Dear Boy
), the result is a Story Breaker Team-Up.
This can happen due to a few different (sometimes overlapping) factors. Firstly is premise. If the characters are from different ends of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism
, either one will have to tough it out as an "inserted" character in the other's verse (suffering the equivalent of morality whiplash) or they'll have to risk meeting in morality neutral ground and hope the Grey and Grey Morality
based story is of good quality.
The above can get complicated if one hero (like the Punisher
above) routinely deals with his "Rogues Gallery
" by killing them on sight
, while the other firmly refuses to kill
or doesn't even fight at all
. If the relative pacifist has favor, the militant hero will be severely nerfed
; whereas if the militant one is shown right, it may risk invalidating the other's morals or making them seem irrelevant.
Similarly, another potential problem is their relative power
. If one is vastly more powerful, the other will become The Load
, so one or both character may have to undergo Power Creep, Power Seep
to avoid one being made irrelevant
while the other becomes a god
. This doesn't just happen when there's a wide difference on the scale of a character with the Superpower Lottery
and a Muggle
teaming up; even a simple power like one way Telepathy
can cripple a crossover. Imagine how Murder on the Orient Express
(or any other detective story) would go if Poirot was teamed up with a Telepath.
Another factor is the seriousness of the setting and the temperament of the character. Teaming up a highly Genre Savvy
character, or competent person from a world where everything is Like Reality Unless Noted
, with a Genre Blind
one in a cliche bound world won't end well, nor would the reverse be kind. In a similar vein, putting a stand up comedian in a show about international politics or similar won't usually go over well but oddly, the reverse probably isn't the case
Last but not least is the content of the featured series. If you've got a series Rated M for Money
teaming up with a far less violent series, the former will most likely be bowdlerised
for the crossover so as to not clash aesthetically and/or upset the owners of the less violent series.
Because of these issues, avoiding this trope may require that Superman Stays out of Gotham
for no adequately explained reason.
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- Whenever Superman is involved in a crossover, he often has to be weakened or somehow disabled for the plot to work. The best ones simply gave the guest stars something to do in the story that Superman could not do, but Sturgeon's Law dictates that this is not always done elegantly.
- Superman/Batman can be considered a case study in successfully teaming up very different heroes. Both are on equal grounds, and they face challenges each can contribute to solving, making a team far more effective than the sum of its parts. However, this trope was fully in force in their first crossover, where Batman's contribution consists of confirming that the only man on the cruise ship hiding a gun in his pocket is suspicious and having Superman throw Batman at the escaping helicopter because he was busy towing the disabled cruise ship back to port.
- In his second intercompany crossover with Spider-Man, Spidey saves the day with his Spider-Sense (while Supes is busy holding a massive explosive gizmo together with his bare hands).
- Various Gundam SEED and Gundam 00 crossover has this as PLAGUE, considering the later's incarnation of eponymous Gundams is plain Game Breaker compared to the former. Common joke amongst those crossovers are Setsuna complaining that G-Project unit doesn't deserve the title of Gundam.
- A few Neon Genesis Evangelion fanfics make jokes about how Dragon Ball characters take out the angels with ease.
- This is actually very common in Dragon Ball crossover fics. While the Dragon Ball universe is not the most powerful by any means, many inexperienced fanfic writers would cross it over with fiction that was significently weaker. This was most common in the nineties, as the really well-known animes (Ranma ½, Sailor Moon, Neon Genesis Evangelion) were leagues beneath the Dragon Ball universe, while universes that could compete with or even dominate Dragon Ball (Tenchi Muyo!, Saint Seiya, Marvel Comics) were unknown or underutilised.
- On a similar note is an old DBZ fanfic where the Briefs family is targeted by a serial killer. Yes, a normal human serial killer. It's not BAD, but the author would need hundreds of Handwaves to fly to get it to work fully, and he only does several.
- Additionally, in any "DBZ vs" hate fic, Goku is willing to slaughter people, even like, entire planets! Notable because Goku's reluctance to kill would otherwise be the main balancing issue.
- The Pretty Cure Fanfic Features, due to crossing over a ton of stories on varying points of the Scale, tend to do this. If Perfume Preppy is in a feature with a bunch of casts from series that are as child-friendly as the source material, no mention will be made of its various Family Unfriendly Deaths and rather disgusting moments like Ashley's cannibalistic mass murder spree. If Heavy Metal is in there too, since it's even less child-friendly, the other fics in the pile will be made Darker and Edgier.
- A Dark Knight Over Sin City has a mild example. Batman and his rogues operate on a slightly different level than the Sin City characters. The anti-heroes and villains in Sin City still serve important roles in the plot but when it comes to, say, explaining Scarecrow's weapons or Joker's toxin, they resort to Buffy Speak.
- While on it, between 2003 and 2007 there were many crossovers between Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Harry Potter. While many of them were very well written, they were extremely prone to this trope, in both directions: If early seasons of BTVS were depicted, then a team of one physical fighter (Buffy), one slow (and then weak) witch (Willow) and two Badass Normal's (Giles/Xander) could not really make a difference against all Death Eaters, with their apparition, direct magic etc. By contrast, if BTVS was depicted post S7, then there was the simple fact that all Death Eaters combined could not match the power of Willow, not even taking hundreds of slayers, Giles, and rest into account.
- While Shirou Emiya appears in Justice Society of Japan, the fic is explicitly stated to take place before the fifth grail war, as the presence of Saber or Shirou mastering Unlimited Blade Works would break the story's balance like a pinata.
- In Opening Dangerous Gates, Lucy of Fairy Tail gains the ability to summon characters from Bleach. The story establishes that even minor Bleach characters can solo all but the most top-tier Fairy Tail characters. To keep a balance, the story follows the Fairy Tail rule that a summoner is drained of magic proportional to the summoned being's strength and the summoned being returns to their world when the summoner's magic runs out. Also, just like Celestial Spirits, the Bleach characters cannot survive in Fiore indefinitely.
- Oddly averted with crossovers between (animeverse) [[Pokemon Pokemon]], [[Digimon Digimon]] and [[Bakugan Bakugan]], which often ignore that canonically, the power levels of the three are very far apart.
Live Action TV
- Jack Black on Community, as a parody of Remember the New Guy, turns into this. He upsets the group dynamic with his weird schtick eventually forcing Jeff to drag him out of the Study Room kicking and screaming.
- The Samurai Sentai Shinkenger story arc of Kamen Rider Decade. Since Kamen Riders do not deal with giant monsters on a regular basis whereas Super Sentai does and the crossover occurs in a Kamen Rider show, the arc was written to feature an original Monster of the Week who became an anomaly of sorts thanks to the intrusion of Decade's cast and thus could not grow unlike his brethren.
- Inverted years later in the Ressha Sentai Tokkyuger and Kamen Rider Gaim crossover, where one of Gaim's Mook monsters grows to giant size (something they never did before or since) so the Tokkyugers can take it down with their giant robot.
- Parodied on the first episode of That Mitchell and Webb Look, with the superhero team of BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner. BMX Bandit can ride a BMX really well, while Angel Summoner can summon and control a horde of invincible celestial superbeings. Oddly, BMX Bandit feels he doesn't add much to the team.
Table Top Games
- The players can cause this in any given table role playing game, almost all of which begin with a team-up of brand new characters. The GM can deal with conflicting power levels by enforcing balance. The players may come to the table with different assumptions about what the genre's conventions are. They may play characters with vastly different ethical stances that simply can't reconcile. They may come with vastly different levels of knowledge of the rules of the game and different tolerances for bending those rules. They may be the only Loony in a group which quickly tires of their antics or the only Real Man when everyone else is in deep immersion gaming. Preventing these differences both in and out of character from becoming a Story-Breaker Team-Up is important for making sure everyone has fun. The obvious example is from Dungeons & Dragons, with its infamous trope-naming Lawful Stupid, Chaotic Stupid, and Stupid Evil characters.
- This trope pretty well spelled the downfall of Ani-Mayhem. When the game started off with shows like Ranma ½, Tenchi Muyo!, and Bubblegum Crisis, everything worked out pretty well; some characters were better at straight-up fights, while others had better skills and could be brought up to equal footing with equipment and enhancement effects. But then the second expansion added Dragon Ball Z, and suddenly characters like Leona Ozaki couldn't do squat against the likes of Super Saiyan Goku.
- Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe solves this in one sense while being disadvantaged by it in another. The difference in powers between Mortal Kombat and DCU characters is explained by mentioning that the universe merging directly affects the abilities of everyone involved, as well as spreading a Hate Plague in order for Let's You and Him Fight to ensue. However, DC's treatment of their intellectual properties meant that the Mortal Kombat side has to temporarily lose its extreme blood and gore... which, unfortunately for that series, is its entire selling point, period.
- Also some DC characters, especially Superman, have their abilities weakened from the flux of magical energy while some characters, like Joker are supercharged by it. This is probably the only way Joker could beat Superman in a fair fight realistically.
- It also helps that Superman is weak to the sorcery used by most Mortal Kombat characters and that the DC cast is holding back because most of the heroes don't like to kill others anyways while the more 'mortal' Mortal Kombat characters show no mercy.
- To a minor extent, Super Smash Bros.. Brawl and Snake. An M-rated character battles heroes who are perfectly OK for the entire family? Wave goodbye to his realistic firearms. He gets to keep explosive arms, though.
- While Banpresto usually handles this trope quite well, Super Robot Wars has had a few offenders in the past. What immediately comes to mind is Super Robot Wars Judgment, where the plot of Gundam SEED is handled the exact same way despite the crossover drastically altering the circumstances. The most egregious case is Mu La Flaga's Heroic Sacrifice, even though the various Super Robots in the player's group could have easily tanked the positron cannon.
- The first appearances of a series tend to stick closer to canon. Later ones get more wiggling room. Compare SEED's appearance in Super Robot Wars W: Mu lives. And so do a lot of other SEED characters.
- The plot of Sonic Generations involves time being rewritten and past and present to be in the same place resulting in two Sonic's, one modern, one classic. Problem is Sonic has gained a few powers and skills since the old days, resulting in modern Sonic easily outperforming his classic counterpart. The plot gets around this by having both Sonic's have their own stages and bosses. Still it can feel a little patronizing when Classic Sonic has bosses and stages that Modern Sonic could easily defeat, and Classic Sonic could not do anything if he went up against Modern Sonic's bosses.
- In fact, given that only the "Classic Era" has bosses from Classic games, Classic Sonic only has 1 boss fight and 1 rival fight (not counting the Time Eater since both Sonics fight that in their super forms) in the entire game, Death Egg Robot (3DS version has Big Arm instead) and Metal Sonic. The rest of the bosses and rivals are fought by Modern Sonic.
- Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney suffered from a bit of a balancing problem. The creator of Professor Layton admitted he basically took Phoenix Wright and made him better in every way to make the Professor. The only way for Phoenix to see any puzzle- or mystery-solving action in the game was for Professor Layton to be turned into a golden statue for half the game.
- Pooh's Adventures runs on this trope. The main character, Winnie-the-Pooh, crosses over with people like Batman, the Ghostbusters, the Gargoyles, and many others dipping into either a very high Super Weight (even for a stuffed animal) or the darkest part of town, or even both. Then there's the allies Pooh has, although not a lot of them could affect the plot, some do with just a few super powers.
- The animations The Dark Knight Meets Superman and The Dark Knight Meets Superman Part 2 do this intentionally for parody. First Superman visits Gotham City during the events of The Dark Knight. "Hey, bat-bro, I hope it's not a big deal, but while you were talking there, I went ahead and stopped crime. Like, all of it." Then this version of Batman stands in for Superman in Metropolis alongside the Justice League. It doesn't go that well.
- One episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold had this trope inverted, Batman is transported to 1880s England, where he "teams up" with Sherlock Holmes and outclasses him in most ways. While Sherlock is no slouch (and discovers and reaches the villain's hideout before Batman), Batman fights better, can make Bat Deductions with less information, and can handle the clearly supernatural Gentleman Ghost while Holmes is made a victim. Although the fact that Holmes beat Batman at anything speaks volumes, as Batman has both more experience with supernatural phenomena, and information, knowledge and training from over a century ahead of Sherlock's time.
- And again with "The Super-Batman of Planet X!", where Batman is stranded on a strange, alien planet and teams up with the local near-identical Batman to foil crime. Then it turns out that thanks to the planet's atmosphere Batman becomes a Flying Brick, much to the local Batman-X's chagrin. That is, until the commonly occurring mineral Quartz renders him worse than powerless and allows Batman-X to save the day.
- The show also has a crossover with Scooby-Doo that manages to fix the story breaker. How, you ask? Reality Warper Bat-Mite gives Batman, Robin, and the villains the ability to fight (since this is based off of the 60s cartoon, he can't even throw a punch). Then he gives it to Shaggy and Scooby, too. Ass-kicking ensues.
- The New Scooby-Doo Movies in which Mystery, Inc. teamed with people like Batman, The Addams Family and The Three Stooges.
- Robot Chicken uses this effect intentionally in many of its sketches. As the series page puts it:
- If early concepts for My Little Pony The Movie were used, it would be a cross-over with Transformers.
- It's difficult for Family Guy to have a genuine crossover with anything seeing as how they were only with American Dad! characters for twenty seconds in an episode of the latter. As the show is itself notorious for the use of the Cutaway Gag (eight times per episode usually!), a lack of them would stand out if they tried to really incorporate the theme of any other show. The fact that many of these gags already have other fictional characters in Lawyer Friendly Cameos also hurts it.