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openSpeculative Troping Western Animation
Beatman 1 has been doing a lot of edits over the past for the Voltron: Legendary Defender page that speculate the intent of why things happen, or add negative weasel words to otherwise unremarkable information, in order to turn it more negative-sounding. For example bringing up that the lack of merchandise is likely due to the creators' personal hatred of the mecha genre, that certain lines of products were possibly poorly received, or canceled due to fan outrage (when poor sales or company mergers and layoffs are as likely of a cause and actually have received press coverage at the time; even so, that constitutes being too speculative to add in itself, and another user who made similar types of entries recently got suspended here and on other pages for blatantly violating the rules), despite no official indications otherwise.
I feel that, due to the notorious amounts of Epileptic Trees regarding this franchise and its creators' intent (of which I have plenty, but which I don't believe is my place to add them), that without some kind of official confirmation as to the motives of company actions, it crosses the boundary into speculative troping since it reads creator intent and malice into a page that is supposed to about recording audience reactions, and thus requires some measure of impartiality, despite the name.
I've had to do a lot of cleanup regarding his edits for negativity bias and it's getting very tiring as he rarely adds anything strictly informative enough to leave alone, and has already had a history of excess negativity towards the series to the point of thumps on the forums, and has been found to have engaged in unsolicited harassment of fans of the work on other social media.
I mentioned in the past about a tendency of his to use the page as a soapbox for his Single-Issue Wonk with the show, as well as bring it up in threads and pages for unrelated works, even bringing up arguments from people he's otherwise violently opposed to due to his vocal hatred of their taste for same-sex shipping in order to bash it, but I don't think it's safe for me to PM him knowing this now for fear of inviting said harassment onto myself.
Edited by AlleyOopopenMenAreTheExpendableGender or BeautyIsNeverTarnished ? Live Action TV
In a recent episode of a TV show, two people, a man and a woman, are captured while infiltrating an enemy base.
The bad guys beat the guy to a pulp trying to find out who they're working for, but they don't touch a hair on the girl's head until they break out the Truth Serum, which they use on both.
What trope fits better? Men Are the Expendable Gender or Beauty Is Never Tarnished
openWhy are only sone Artistic License pages made NRLEP?
I know Artistic License can't really happen in real life, but why exactly are Gun Safety, Law, and Paleontology all singled out as No Real Life Examples, Please!?
open Roleplay character sheet
DR Falling Future is a new stub article, already reported in the long-term project thread (the crash rescue thread). Characters.DR Falling Future is its character sheet and it also has issues.
It has the standard ZCE problem, and its editors are actually edit-warring over my clean-up. Though to the editors' credit, there have been some attempts to provide more context, but often with half-context or word cruft like 'self-explanatory'; or they seem to think that pictures are substitutes for written context.
They removed my standard ZCE notice and I received no less than three messages over the page. I feel they have a sense of ownership over the page ('our project you're not even a part of' + ' as long as you don't touch our characters and the page itself') or they think they can break this wiki's ZCE rules because other pages break them as well ('Do it for everybody else's pages, or don't work on them at all without our permission.'). They cited other Roleplay character sheets as precedence... which opens another can of worms.
I tried to reply as best as I could but it was very time-consuming and exhausting and I'm not sure my message was received. (I hope I remained civil and helpful in my replies.)
I also thought I would mention it here because I suppose the editors will come here to argue their point of view, or at least to confirm that I am not making things up with Administrivia.Zero Context Example and other editing rules.
Also, prushka (one of the editors) mentioned in their message that the Roleplay is not made public yet (QUOTE It's not even public yet UNQUOTE)... which makes me think it's an unpublished work and as such, it needs to be moved to Darth Wiki — both the stub and its character sheet.
I'm posting it here because I think they all need to be reminded of this wiki's rules and its purpose (troping fiction and stories for general readership; it's not a platform to host fanfic roleplay for the players to get the feel of their characters). They probably need to hear it from the mods, not a regular fellow troper.
(I also admit I'm vexed because my clean-up efforts of their ZCE basically went down the drain.)
ETA: Sorry it's such a Wall of Text.
Edited by XFlloopenHow to split this
In my cleanup of Characters.Doubt Academy Other, I found this, and I'm not sure how to split the tropes. It's already a wordy example without duplicating it for each trope.
- Brain Upload / Body Backup Drive: One of the things they research, which comes up in the second and third games. In both cases, the former accounts for the continued existence of the dead students, while the latter is offered to the survivors in the ending as a possible way to bring back the dead.
- The Augmentation Chips in Black/White were supposed to record patient data (which includes memories, personality, and appearance) to a Backup System Grid, but the BSG had the unintended side-effect of giving the data sapience in the event that the patient died. During the ending, it was teased that this data could be inserted into bodies to effectively revive that person; it nearly happened with Black's Mastermind during the escape, but another student killed her clone's body instead of awakening it. The students of both games escape with the data, although it's not known if they ever find appropriate bodies.
- The ankle bracelets in Alpha/Omega/Epsilon were an intentional way to preserve that data and put it into a cloned body, with the sapient data staying safe in Elysium. An alternative is inserting the data into a humanoid robot, something that Alpha's Mastermind is forced to use; he then mentions that there are numerous other robot bodies in Gaia and suggests that others upload their data into them, although no one accepts his advice. Several students instead stay in Gaia for three months to clone human bodies for the deceased, allowing the whole class to walk out alive.
openRecreating A Page
Can Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town be recreated? It was cut without mention in the prerelease clean-up thread. It's mentioned that there is no release date, however it does have a release date of October 15 and the page did mention it.
openAbout Watchmen and Doomsday Clock Print Comic
Hello, I don't know if this came up or not. A while back on Watchmen I had a discussion with a fellow troper about putting in Doomsday Clock plot points in the main page.
I was under the impression that there was a rule that it was tvtropes policy to treat Watchmen as standalone and later versions as separate works. That was what was written on the Character Page. But it's not written on the main page.
Full disclosure, I think we should keep the page as it is and maintain norms. But I also realize that there's no rule one way or another for or against it. So if people can take a stand on this, either for and against, and then put it there, it's fine by me.
I personally think that given that Watchmen is a "classic" (it showed up in Time's All time great books of the 20th Century) and had been standalone for more than 20 years, and likewise is the most famous version of those stories and also most commercially successful (the Before Watchmen and Doomsday Clock haven't sold remotely as well as the originals), it should be maintained as standalone, since most readers and tropers would only be familiar with that. I am also wondering if creating a franchise page for overall adaptations is a good idea. That's also worth considering.
openBadassGrandpa is getting dewicked... If NeverMessWithGranny was its Distaff...
Badass Grandpa is getting dewicked... because of Administrivia.TRS Wick Cleaning. If Never Mess with Granny was its Distaff Counterpart, shouldn't that get dewicked too?
And maybe Badass Grandma points there, instead?
openNotifiers on Moments Pages Videogame
Troper zeister changed the English VA to the Japanese VA on the Tear Jerker page in Tales of Berseria. The first troper who added the entry meant for the moment to be for Christina Vee, not Rina Sato. I'm not sure if a notifier is needed and/or which notifier to use. It hasn't been changed back in case an edit war ensues.
Edited by apathetictalesopenUnsourced Quotes
Should quotes without a source be commented out?
This is on Deus ex Nukina:
No source given and the history doesn't go back far enough.
openSpam in review comments
Just repeating a sentence from earlier then dumping links.
openshort links?
is there any way to abbreviate a link to something in the main namespace, for such purposes as sharing a link to a trope somewhere the full URL would either not work or not be convenient? Links can get kind of long and some instances (You Tube, for example) don't have any way to hide the URL in a hyperlink, so cutting out the"pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/" somehow would be handy.
openHelp before escalating into an edit war
The user Kof4495 has been modifying the Transformers: BotBots page from edits that have been added, stripping data that is true into nitpicky stuff (Like, Slobber Rock acts like a puppy, and might be called a puppy, but he doesn't even look like one, which is something I added, but they keep changing it to them being an actual puppy), gender issues (turning a character with no mentioned gender from "they" to "its"), and flat-out removing stuff and simplfying it down to really needed measures (Ollie Bite isa baseball cap, why just turn it to "hat" and why remove a character that is on the list as being what they are entirely?).
This same user has caused issues on non-TV Tropes websites for this same exact franchise, and I really want to edit the page back, but I don't want to be caught in an edit war.
Edited by ZootyCutie94openTroper with indentation problems
monkey60t has issues with indentation, even after I sent a notifier.
Here's their latest violation:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.DeadGuyJunior#edit23398925
They also failed to create folders correctly on Super Mario RWBY (I fixed this already)
open Old series Live Action TV
I'm looking for this tv series it's about a teen who has the ability to shapshift his arm into anyweapon and his best friend is a martial artist and a girl it has aliens and other species in one scene his friend is teaching the alien martial arts to keep warm
Funny.Si Iva Gunner.
Pretty much everything is behind spoiler tags?