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openWoolooShepherdG-00 vs. Luigi Videogame
Quite possibly the oddest thing I've reported on, but...
WoolooShepherdG-00 seems to be editing on a "Death didn't rip Luigi's soul out of his body" agenda (in reference to an event that happened in Simon and Richter's joint reveal trailer for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate).
Also for some reason they removed two of Luigi's aliases on Pantheon.Unpopularity so I have no clue if he's for or against Luigi ÂŻ_(ツ)_/ÂŻ
open[Resolved] Heroes of Might&Magic merge? Videogame
(Really should have used AAT before the forum, didn't think well)
In short, any good reason why Heroes of Might and Magic and Heroes of Might and Magic Ashan are on separate pages? They are the same series (Ashan is not a subseries), it creates a mess, and the latter doesn't have a lot wicks or examples for it anyway. Should we move Heroes of Might and Magic Ashan's examples to Heroes of Might and Magic and cut it?
Edited by AmonimusopenShould Sonic P-06 get its own page here at TV Tropes? Videogame
Sonic P-06 is a Fan Remake of the notorious Sonic game, Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). It's done by ChaosX and works to actually make the game playable. The game has been popular because of the improvements. As of this month, there has been four demos and the latest features Shadow and all of his stages.
Edited by FoxABeeNeeOwnYesopenZCEs after notifier Videogame
I've noticed Kawaiineko333 has been adding ZC Es (of the "is this" or "does this" variety) in various pages for Dragalia Lost and possibly other pages. I sent a notifier and corrected one, but they did the exact same thing again.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandyopenTo The Moon page spoilers/splitting Videogame
The page for To the Moon is soft-split into folders for all six games in the series (three full games and three minigames). It has a soft spoiler warning at the end of the work description, but the page has lots of spoiler tags throughout the tropes lists for every game in the series.
Impostor Factory, the third full game in the series, was released two days ago, and is difficult to write about without spoiling (since the game description says very little about the premise or plot of the majority of the game). The other two games are much easier to list examples for without major spoilers, since their premises and general plots are given in their descriptions.
I read the spoiler policy, and while it has guidelines for spoiler-warnings on individual character folders, it says nothing about work folder warnings. Would it be acceptable to put a spoiler warning on just the Impostor Factory folder, or do work pages need to have uniform spoiler guidelines?
My other question pertains to hard-splitting the page by work once there are more Impostor Factory examples (some of which I plan on adding soon). To The Moon has about 90 tropes listed, and Finding Paradise has about 60 (which seems like enough for its own page, but not enough that splitting is absolutely necessary). The non-uniform-spoiler-policy issue would be solved, but I'm not sure if a hard-split would be warranted or acceptable in this scenario.
Edited by indigoJayopenEdit war over the Genshin Impact anniversary debacle Videogame
HopeSoSure has added entries complaining about Genshin Impact's 1st anniversary fiasco (TL;DR: unsubstantial rewards that many felt was like a slap in the face, in turn leading to the fandom overreacting to the point of review-bombing not just GI, but also other games), which were summarily removed on grounds of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement and violating waiting periods on Broken Base and Overshadowed by Controversy (with an additional grammar notifier).
HopeSoSure has then moved on to reinstate some of those examples, sometimes commented out.
Edited by AnoBakaDesuopenDubious Removals Videogame
Vulkus removed a decently large amount of spoiler tags and commented-out ZCEs on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. While some of the removals are reasonable (such as the spoiler about Luigi sleeping through the battle tutorial), others were valid spoiler-tags about content from near the end of the game, which has resulted in the page looking (more) inconsistent about what's spoiler-worthy or not (sometimes things are spoiled, sometimes they aren't, and sometimes the spoilers are written around), while some of the removed ZCEs like The Dragon and Dual Boss were also tropes that did occur in the game and just hadn't been elaborated on.
Unsure just how widespread this is, but this edit on Mega Man 11 seems to be of a similar nature.
openReporting an edit war on Trivia.NickelodeonAllStarBrawl Videogame
Courtesy link. It began when Kytseo added this example:
- Fan Nickname;
- Wavetoasting for Powdered Toast Man's ability to Waveshine and Multi Shine.
kablammin45 then corrected the indentation (noting as much in their edit reason):
- Fan Nickname: Wavetoasting for Powdered Toast Man's ability to Waveshine and Multi Shine.
- Fan Nickname:
- Wavetoasting for Powdered Toast Man's dev-admitted ability to Waveshine and Multi Shine.
openDisambiguation for the original Tomb Raider game Videogame
(Is this the right place for this query?)
I've thought about this for a while and put it off every time due to how much work it'll take to migrate all of its wicks to the new title since I'm a lazy fuck, but I'm thinking about moving the Tomb Raider page to one of either two new titles to minimise overlap:
- VideoGame.TombRaider1996 (to differentiate from the 2013 game)
- VideoGame.TombRaiderI (to bring it in line with two of its sequels)
Do you people think this should be done?
opentherealryan on the Tales Narm page Videogame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Narm.TalesSeries
So a user called therealryan has been deleting entries claiming they're "annoying" and repeatedly adding an entry to the Arise folder saying "From this game on, this has little to no Narm or Narm Charm." It's been deleted and re-added a lot and I get the feeling he's simply just contesting entries and opinions and the like.
openWhy only one image per page Videogame
For SMG 4 and Breath of the Wild, there used to be multiple images on the Nightmare Fuel pages for each folder but then they were taken down and only one image is left. Apparently there is a rule to have only one image per page. Why? Those extra pictures make the pages a lot more fun and exciting. Why is it a rule to have only one image? Those extra images don’t do anything bad.
openPreventing an edit war on Characters.NickelodeonAllStarBrawl Videogame
This is rather belated, but it's something I wanted some feedback on to prevent an edit war.
About three weeks ago, I saw an example on Characters.Nickelodeon All Star Brawl without a citation:
The game in question still hasn't been released yet, so I commented it out since it lacked a citation, along with a small tag explaining this (in addition to the edit reason). At the time, I did not remember the source.
Twelve days later, ravioliluigi uncommented it out and slightly altered it with the following edit reason:
- Citation? What citation, the proof is right there in the trailer lol its a legit reference, that said I'm pretty sure that's his taunt
In spite of this, they did not add a citation in the example itself, going against the guidelines explained in Administrivia.Creating A Work Page For An Upcoming Work:
- When writing an example, make sure you are noting the source. Because the finished work is not available yet, it is not your source of information. Your source is [Trailer A], [Poster B], the open beta, the E3 demo, etc., so your example should cite that: "In [Trailer A]..."
I sent them a notifier explaining the policy not long after their edit. However, in the interim, I remembered where the animation in question can be seen: this short teaser for a Gamescom character reveal. I could add the necessary citation to the example, but I wanted to make sure that this would not constitute an edit war.
Edited by BlueGuyopenRedirecting Separate Media Subpages To One Page Videogame
A few weeks back I discussed making a Timeline page for Tales of Zestiria and Tales of Berseria. As the two games take place in the same universe and location, I wanted to combine all the details into one page, currently drafted in Timeline Tales Of Zestiria And Berseria.
Would it work if I took Timeline.Tales Of Zestiria and Timeline.Tales Of Berseria and redirected them both to Timeline.Tales Of Zestiria And Berseria? My main concern is whether or not they'd show up under the "More" tab connected to the game's pages (the same space where stuff like Moments and YMMV are listed).
openValuesDissonance Videogame
An example of Values Dissonance on YMMV.Yakuza 3 was removed because of the time period of 20 years rule. However, the example was about the cultural differences between the US and Japan. Should it really judged by the 20 year rule?
openFanfic Recs page linking to a site that's... ''controversial'' Videogame
It seems that a long time ago, this was added to FanficRecs.Fallout, under the "sites" section:
- Recommended by Oni Link 96
- Comments: The Fallout Fanon wiki. Contains a lot of interesting stories, events, and characters.
I don't know what this wiki was like when it was added - I feel like this link has been here for years and years - but I've been personally involved with it recently due to my work on the official Fallout Wiki and I'm concerned that linking to it may not be appropriate. To summarize what they are, they're essentially a shared-universe collaborative Fallout fanfiction project hosted on a Fandom wiki, and they've got a host of content issues. To whit:
- Tranquility Lane is currently under investigation by Fandom, its host platform, for possible violations of TOU regarding sexually explicit content and graphic violence, with many articles that tactlessly tackle subjects such as rape, incest, necrophilia, and child abuse purely for shock value and in some cases humor.
- Tranquility Lane's official Discord server recently came under investigation by Discord for TOU violations regarding hate speech and promoting acts of violence, which resulted in Discord forcing the TL's admins to shut down the server's politics chat and start enforcing the service's TOU - nobody was banned, mainly because the people responsible were the admins in question.
- While the potentially TOU-violating articles mentioned above are in the minority, the wiki nonetheless contains a lot of content and stories that, while not strictly against any policies of Fandom or TV Tropes, are really concerning and eyebrow-raising: eugenics and fascism are common themes, and the most detailed and fleshed-out body of work on the site is about the Ku Klux Klan, which in their canon is a massive organization that holds considerable military and political power over the post-apocalyptic American South and is portrayed... not necessarily sympathetically but certainly in an impressive light.
- As a personal note, my interactions with Tranquility Lane's admins and staff as part of my aforementioned work with the Fallout Wiki have been almost universally bad and have left a horrible impression of their character; at least one of their top admins is an openly alt-right conspiracy theorist who uses the site's official discord partially as a platform to spread his beliefs.
My gut reaction is to remove it from the Fanfic Recs page due to its obviously NSFW and highly questionable content, not to mention its small community that's left fairly hostile due to the personalities and behavior of its staff and admins. But at the same time I'm not certain linking it in the recs is necessarily violating any TV Tropes policies and thus I'm not sure doing so would be within my rights - which is why I've taken it here for discussion.
Edited by Dirtyblue929openFatal Videogame
Recently found out about F.A.T.A.L., which is locked, and has no examples due to it containing NSFW content that wouldn't be suitable for troping. If that's the case, I'm curious as to why it's still on this site.
Edited by FromtheWordsofBRopenSpam in review comments Videogame
A rather old one I came across.
openSequel or spin-off? Videogame
I noticed that the entry for Dissidia Final Fantasy: Opera Omnia had been removed from the Surprisingly Improved Sequel page for the reason "It doesn't make sense to call a turn-based gacha game a "Surprisingly improved sequel" to an Arena Fighter, just because they're both called "Dissidia." They're not supposed to be the same kind of game, and as such OO doesn't improve on Dissidia in any way. It has "More content," but it's a completely different kind of content." Fair, and I would put it on More Popular Spin Off, but recent story updates have shown that Opera Omnia is supposed to be a sequel to the 2015 arcade version.
Would it be fair to add it back, based on this? The original entry (below) and removal reason both cite the differences in gameplay, but story-wise, OO does follow the events of 2015 (although to what extent is unclear because it's still ongoing).
- Dissidia Final Fantasy (2015) had very little in the way of content—unlike the original two games, which had a dedicated story mode, the 2015 version had only a small number of cutscenes "purchased" with Memoria earned from fighting battles, like the extra character costumes. This, along with the various gameplay changes, resulted in a somewhat tepid reception. 2017's Dissidia Final Fantasy: Opera Omnia has been received more warmly thanks to its more traditional and strategy-based battle system, plus a surprisingly interesting plot and good characterization despite being a gachapon mobile game.
I had a small chat with other troper regarding this trope and we both realised something: that we aren't sure if this trope is characters-only, or can be applied to gear, weapons (yes, we are aware about Scrappy Weapon trope, that was part of our discussion) and other gameplay elements that might fall under TIS. Assuming, of course, that it's not a character only trope.
So... is it? Or is it a general purpose?