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open Do you guys hate me?
You guys are complaining about the way I do things and I got banned from TLP. I read what to do if you are suspended, and it said that a ban means “come talk to us” not “we don’t like you”. One admin is implying otherwise, as they are refusing to give me a second chance and threatening me with a permanent ban. It’s not just that admin, but a few users sometimes act snarky towards my drafts. I think I am fit for TLP, but you guys seem to think that the wiki would be better off without me.
openWhat's the difference?
Sorry for asking yet another question, but what's the difference between a Hate Sink and a Complete Monster?
open No Title Live Action TV
What is the record on the record player just behind Stephen Colbert on his current set. It looks like a 45rpm with a yellow label.
openIs this misuse of JFF, or just me misunderstanding?
I've reported and/or acted on several cases of JFF misuse on this wiki before, usually of the "this is not a namespace to host fanfiction" variety, but I thought those were just isolated incidents that could get swept up pretty easily once someone found the time, and indeed they were.
However, while scrolling through the index on a whim, I noticed quite a few suspect pages in the "Fun Pages" folder. To summarize my findings, this includes but is quite possibly not limited to:
- More stuff that's basically fanfiction being hosted on wiki pages, such as The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Editionnote As an added note, this particular example has its own namespace which is not considered valid by Administrivia.Namespace., and several fully-fledged work ideas that do not appear to be satire or amalgamations of Fanon (requiring them to be sent to Darth if they don't exist in some capacity in reality)
- Lists of recommended Game Mods for things like Fallout 4 and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- deviantART Recommendations
- Some general misplacement of actual JFF work page links (mostly Show Within a Show stuff) in the Fun Pages folder, though those are pretty easy to move
Is there something I have somehow been missing on what counts as being eligible for JFF pages this whole time, or is a cleanup in order? (The problem with the latter is that some of these pages are clearly from a different era of TV Tropes but might still be maintained - what do we do then?) I understand that JFF boils down to "things that don't fit on the wiki per se but are too much fun to have," but it feels like some of these pages are pushing the envelope a little too much.
Edited by TrocyteVopenFanfic edit
I was scrolling through fanfic pages recently and I saw that for the RWBY Academia page, some tropes were added then removed by two separate tropers over the course of four days back in late August. What's concerning is the troper that removed them is Ninjamon 1228, the author of the work the page is for, and it looks like he removed the tropes because they reflected his work in a negative light. I'm not sure if it's a major deal, but should they be called in regarding "The fix may be yours, but the page is ours" rules?
Edited by ssjSegaopenTwenty Minutes Into Hindsight
I found this on All in the Family:
- 20 Minutes into the Future: In one 1978 episode, Archie correctly names the next President as he yells after Mike "...and you're getting Reagan in '80!"
And this on Sanford and Son:
- 20 Minutes into the Future: One episode features what is most likely the first time on Network Television that the word 'crib' was used to mean a home.
And this on I Love Lucy:
- 20 Minutes into the Future: In the episode "Cousin Ernie Hangs On", Lucy complains to Ethel that "We've found there's only one thing Cousin Ernie does well, but there's not much of a market for a Professional Eater!" In the last few years eating contests have become more and more popular, and there are now indeed some people who only participate in these events, living off the prizes and corporate sponsorships for their existance. Cousin Ernie would be a natural.
- Lucy's editing of Ricky's pilot in "Home Movies" looks like something that would be right at home on Laugh In.
Last time I checked, 20 Minutes into the Future is for works that are set a few years into the future (i.e. after the work was made). These read more like examples of Hilarious in Hindsight if they were anything at all. And all of these shows were pretty much set in the "present day", with nothing indicating they were set in the future. Is there any explanation for this?
openLinks in Fiction Identity Postulate page deleted. Is this acceptable?
On the SugarWiki.Fiction Identity Postulate page, there used to be some links to demonstrate the idea of the page, that any work of fiction, no matter how bad, has the potential to be good. It did stuff like link the infamous Troll Fic, DOOM: Repercussions of Evil, and a serious re-written version on the same line to contrast.
The point is, a Troper deleted all these links, and gave as their edit reason “Cutting the nonsense at the bottom.” With no further elaboration. Was this warranted?
openIs there any restrictions on what can be considered as a character or not? (Vtuber/hololive) Web Original
So over at Characters/Hololive, we had a debate on whether we should include a particular character in our Characters page, where each character we have there at the moment is a hololive member & a vtuber in their own right (with the exception of one), each having their own Youtube channel.
A while ago somebody added an entry for a non-vtuber character (Anemachi), who is the sister of one of the hololive vtubers (Suisei). Despite not being a vtuber herself, Anemachi has a character portrait and occasionally makes appearances in Suisei's livestream at an average rate of about "once every few months". So you can say she's a somewhat recurring character on Suisei's channel.
Now, a troper had a problem with the inclusion of Anemachi with their reasoning being that she's not a hololive member. What I would like to know is that if there are any rules on TV Tropes that state who should be "worthy" of having a Characters entry or not. Because otherwise I don't see any problem with adding what is essentially a Minor Character into the Characters/Hololive page (with the hololive members themselves being Main Characters), seeing as even one-off characters from all sort of works get entries deliciated to them on TV Tropes.
Edited by AsoktencheaopenShort page Videogame
Woolseyism.Undertale has only six examples (though there used to be more). Is this enough to warrant its own page?
Edited by PurpleEyedGumaopenGuide Dang It
I'm having troubling including examples without treading into Walk Through Mode. Any advice?
openEdit War Live Action TV
RiceRomp added the following examples to Hollywood (2020):
- Narm: Every time that people act wowed by Camille's acting, just because she’s so clearly not that good. Of particular note is her screen test where she delivers her dialogue with a constipated look on her face, which comes across as worse than than Claire's intentionally botched tape, yet the characters In-Universe view it as a brilliant performance.
- The Scrappy: Camille is this for some since she’s supposed to be an amazing actress, but many have said her portrayer is the weakest link of the ensemble. The idea that someone as untalented as her could overcome the insane racial bias of the era and win an Oscar is laughable.
I removed them because the Narm Clean-Up thread had said that the former was not an example, and The Scrappy Clean-Up thread said that the latter requires a 6 month waiting period before examples can be added and the work was released in May of this year.
RiceRomp just today has added these to the page:
- Narm: Every time that people act like Camille's acting is incredible, given most viewers not only think it's nothing to write home about, but legitimately bad. Of particular note is how in universe she's apparently so good that she helps change the country into a more accepting place, and manages to win a lead actress Oscar in the 1940s, a feat that wouldn’t be done in real life until the early 2000s.
- The Scrappy: Camille is probably the least popular of the main characters, with the main reason being that she’s supposed to be an exceptional actress, but her performances come across as more laughable and dull than actually good.
openStar Wars Page Titles Film
When I saw the Star Wars pages, I noticed the lacked the franchise name in the title (IE: Attack of the Clones instead of Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones), making the page titles technically incomplete. This case is separate from James Bond in that Bond films don’t have the franchise name in it (IE: Casino Royale instead of “James Bond: Casino Royale”). So what do we do about it?
Edited by GeneralGiganopenUnder age casting question
From what I understand, Underage Casting is supposed to be about characters being far too young to hold certain professions (like a 22 year old being a world class neurosurgeon for example). Instead, more than half the examples seem to be people pointing out that the actors aren't the same age as the roles they play, in some cases pointing out a one or two year difference.
Am I reading the example wrong? If not, deleting all those examples would leave a very bare page, it seems wrong for one person to unilaterally cut that much out.
openIs Data Vampires a reportable offence?
I was wondering just that. I'm aware that Data Vampires happen accidentally but i have noticed one particular troper (Agent Skyblue M 7) has "accidentally" messed up pages way too many times, deleting half of the content for a minor edit.
I just wanted to report this because it has happened way too many times now. Sure, it can be accidental but after a while it gets tiring. (If you are curious, check their history, in the pantheon pages we had to fix their edits because they keep breaking the pages
openNicoaln
- Monster Hunter Rise YMMV (violation of Repair, Don't Respond, already fixed)
- Last Scenario YMMV (Word Cruft in one entry and improper indentation in another)
- Guild Wars YMMV ("I'm gonna edit this entry which has Word Cruft and also violates RDR, fixing those two while I'm at it be damned")
- AFF subpage of World of Warcraft (misindentation in an edit and violation of RDR in another)
- Arc Fatigue (misindentation)
They don't seem like too many cases, as they're in the midst of many edits on Funny and Fridge subpages (whose editing standards are regrettably low), but I had sent a large number of Issue Helpers to Nicoaln in the past for improper indentation and/or natter-like additions. The persistence of these issues in these edits, plus the fact that at times I have resigned to fixing occasional issues from them without PM'ing them (because I know they are aware of the issues), led me to bring this query today.
EDIT: Spotted an extra case I overlooked:
- Narm subpage of Final Fantasy (misindentation)
openHow do I message this troper who has special characters in their username?
So, on September 17, a character page was created for 2001: A Space Odyssey by a troper named "R.G." I first discovered that page a few days ago, and even though it was a stub at the time, I decided to wait a little longer to see if they'd expand the page. However, it's been 9 days since they've touched the page, so I thought I'd send a stub notifier.
But there's a strange problem that prevents me from doing so: "R.G." somehow has special characters in their name, and if I try clicking on their username in the page's edit history, I just get brought to Tropers.Tropers. There's Tropers.RG, but that definitely isn't them, since that account hasn't had any edits since March 2013. How was this person able to put special characters in their username, and how can I access their profile?
Edited by jandn2014openFandom Drama on Creator Page? Web Original
I notice that the Mx Bones page has several Trivia items, which seem rather wanky and low-context in nature, and very little otherwise.
openWhat namespace would i put this under?
Hello! So i've been playing on a Minecraft Server named Wynncraft, and i noticed more than a few tropes. However, i have no idea what Namespace i would put it under on TV tropes. Should i put it under video games or something? Is there an Other Namespace. Or does it not fit anything else and therefore shouldn't have a page. Does anybody know?
What does TLP stand for?