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resolved Is this an example of PhlebotinumProofRobot? Webcomic
Trope summary: most of the cast in a work is being affected by something, except for one... because they're a robot.
So: Schlock of Schlock Mercenary is descended from self-repairing computer memory/storage units. One storyline had the crew finding out some politically sensitive information, and having their memories modified as a result. Schlock was able to bypass this by using his 'biology' to make a backup of his real memories, and restoring them later.
openCan we recreate the The Doghouse Diaries page? Webcomic
It says that the The Doghouse Diaries page was reduced to a stub and thus cut after all zero context examples were commented out. If that's accurate, then why is there no edit history for the page? Is the history deleted when its page is cut?
And is it okay to recreate the page? It's the image source for at least 3 tropes, and has a decent number of links. It shouldn't be too hard to write a description, read some or all of the comic, and add descriptive examples of tropes therein (and yes, I am willing to do so).
openWeblinks and paywalls - Dilbert Webcomic
After creator Scott Adams' recent Role-Ending Misdemeanor lost Dilbert's syndication, he relaunched the website and (as I understand it) put all of the older strips behind a paywall.
Understandably, that broke our links to them in many examples.
(Not that any of the examples should actually need them for context, as links are not examples)
Natsirtthe Man has been working through the Dilbert pages and replacing the dead links with web.archive.org links that pull the old strips without hitting the paywall, sort-of circumventing it.
Do we have any concerns about that approach, given that they're now supposed to be members only? Technically, anyone could find them this way without us, but it does feel as if it might break the spirit, if not the letter, of the rules?
Edit: although having checked his site, I have no idea what's actually going on right now. Looks like the approach is changing again. Even so, would be interested in a steer on this.
Edited by Mrph1resolved can i get a reality check on an example from YMMV/MobPsycho100? Webcomic
a School Bullying Is Harmless example based on audience opinion on Mob Psycho 100 was cut and moved to the main work page recently; the edit reason given for this and another similar moved example was '<insert trope> is not a YMMV trope'. i would like to move it back, as the mangaka is emphatically not arguing that Misery Builds Character here, but i really don't want to start an edit war. what would be the best course of action?
mob, the protagonist, spends time in a parallel world where he is bullied for months on end by another student. the vindictive spirit torturing both children wants to break mob and gain a sympathizer; his ulterior motive backfires. the hell the boy goes through in the process isn't presented as necessary for his development somehow, or inevitable, or something to just be shrugged off. it's also toned down for the anime, possibly to avoid complaining from parents' groups in japan or inspiring copycats.
- it is presented in-story as absolute torture;
- both the bully and mob are the subject of Mind Rape while it's occurring. he has additionally been Brainwashed into forgetting his own sense of agency and needs help to escape;
- and it teaches a lesson to both children—the bully is confronted with the effects of her own cruelty to others, while mob comes to understand that such cruelty exists in the world and that he's led a fairly charmed life up to that point.
he emerges grateful for the harrowing experience but aware that he was being manipulated the whole time, and forgives her; she repents. it isn't mentioned again.
the bullying doesn't give him PTSD, or make him more frightened of other people, but it does make him more aware of others' suffering. elsewhere in the series, two of the villains talk about how their own experiences with school bullying changed them for the worse. one of the strongest villains became a Hikikomori as a result.
because a small but vocal contingent of the fandom felt mob should have been traumatized by what happened to him, i added School Bullying Is Harmless to the YMMV page. as an opinion only part of the fanbase holds, it seemed appropriate.
also, is there a list of tropes not allowed on YMMV pages? thanks!
Edited by oogenesisopenMultiple headers in work pages Webcomic
I want to make a work page for a webcomic that has two seasons. I have around 20 tropes for each season, and there's no overlap between the lists. Can I add another header after the tropes in the first season? Is this an acceptable practice? (Off the top of my head, I can name Tall Girl as an example of what I'm going for.)
open Nsfw links in Webcomics without warning. Webcomic
So I saw two webcomics page that don't have a NSFW warning in some links. For example Webcomic.The Perry Bible Fellowship , there's a parody of Charlotte's Web where it shows sex and nudity. And in Girly, while it's not NSFW until the end that is. What to do with them?
Edited by BubblepigopenCan you settle my disputes of MichaelKatsuro's edits on the Ghosts of the Future articles? Webcomic
To complete the plan for my final revisions of the Ghosts of the Future articles and because of the strict Edit War policy and the fact MichaelKatsuro sides with all of his edits, I have to bring up my disputes of MichaelKatsuro's edits here for other tropers to address and suggest ways to settle them. I'd like at least two tropers to address them all.
Webcomic.Ghosts Of The Future / General
- Can the Nipple and Dimed example be reverted back to the previous version? Right now, it's just listing examples of nipple exposure in the comic, which is People Sitting On Chairs. The previous version explored the difference of nipple detail based on gender, which is what the Nipple and Dimed trope is all about.
- What's wrong with the curly brackets? I used to edit [[LikeThis this, when someone one day corrected me to use {{Like|this}}, so I went by that since then (not to mention it saves source code size). Is there a rule against them? Additionally, MichaelKatsuro typo'd Fusion Dance as Fusion Danc.
- Can the adverbs for the Sorceress' nipples can be added back, because they do give a different meaning than without adverbs? Importantly, should we still emphasize the nipples frequently (this is in an American perspective, because I, Evan Stanley, and many tropers are American)? I don't want to traumatize children nor get attacked by angry parents, but I don't want to shame Evan Stanley.
- Can the bit about Evan Stanley Lampshading the Talking Heads trope be added back, since that really adds to the example?
- Revised example for Ghosts of the Future's example on Mohs Scale Of Violence Hardness:
- Ghosts of the Futurenote Would've been a level 6 if it weren't for Sonic dying with large yet crudely-drawn bloody flesh wounds, the sight of Tails' bloody corpse with a large gash in one eye, and a character being impaled in both of his hands which results in thick blood dripping out of his wounds and huge bloodstains
Characters.Ghosts Of The Future
- Why are the "(UNMARKED SPOILERS)" notices removed? Is there a rule against folders with unmarked spoilers now? I think most of the spoilers for characters are Late Arrival Spoilers now, but I'd appreciate if they had spoiler warnings tagged for those wanting to enjoy the comic. I think if there's such a rule, the sheet might as well as Spoilers Off to be fair for all folders.
- Can the Big-Lipped Alligator Moment example be added back? I think the nipples are shocking enough to point Evan Stanley regards them as Old Shame- How about Shocking Moments instead?
- In issue 6, the Sorceress of the Dark Isle transforms into Darkwing and becomes naked. While her other parts are covered up with a Censor Shadow, her nipples are shown, yet lack so much detail they barely count as nipples. Many readers were shocked by this bit of partial nudity showing up in a Sonic fancomic, and Evan Stanley has now sees it as Old Shame.
- (Another Shocking Moments example) In issue 17, readers were shocked by the incident in which Mettalix impales Silver's hands and an abundant amount of red blood draws out.
- Proposed revision of the What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? example (and its identical counterpart on the trope example), which I think is better and lacks Word Cruft (Word Cruft takes the form of unnecessary words, these words add more detail for people to get a glimpse of the work; also, should the bit about one of the pages' description on DeviantArt having an erection joke be added back because I think that's still part of the work, as Evan Stanley considers her DeviantArt profile to be the comic's main host, or is the comic itself PG-13 enough to overlook that?):
- Even though Ghosts of the Future is a Sonic The Hedgehog fancomic by who is now an official Sonic comic artist and writer, it is not for children. The comic starts off with Sonic and his best friends being bloodily massacred by a mind-controlled Shadow, which results in Sonic and Shadow enduring trauma and guilt. There's shedding of red blood, infrequent and usually mild profanity, some sexual innuendonote such as the Visual Innuendo of the Sorceress holding the long neck of a jug between her breasts, and brief, non-sexual, and partial nudity in the form of rudimentary-looking yet visibly erect nipples. Nevertheless, little kids still read the comic, which encouraged Stanley to add Content Warnings to the issue 17 incident.
- Move Evan Stanley's quote in The Woobie examples to the first bullet point, next the "The Woobie:".
openPlease restore Webcomic/NattyComics and sub pages Webcomic
Hi these pages were deleted as the comic was removed from the internet. As far as I know if it existed at some point we can keep the relevant pages that troped the work as it existed before deletion. Otherwise we couldn’t trope anything destroyed in a fire for example, no matter how important.
Edit - a full archive can be found at https://archive.org/details/natty-comics.
Edited by ExxolonopenPage ownership issues and rudeness Webcomic
PrincessPandaTrope and I are the only two people who frequently edit the page for the Sonic the Hedgehog fan comic Ghosts of the Future. I'm starting to understand why nobody else wants to edit the page. She keeps sending me PMs after I edit, saying that she's "very disappointed with" me for not phrasing things exactly the way she wanted.
One example would be my latest edit, where I removed the word "very" from a lot of edits, since it's a word that usually doesn't do any good. Saying "the house is very big" doesn't actually give you any more exact info about how big the house is than if you just say "The house is big."
She PMed me and said that I should have replaced it with a more descriptive adjective instead, without explaining why she couldn't do that herself.
She also said that I was giving the middle finger to the comic's creator, Evan Stanley, by replacing "very [adjective]" with a plain "[adjective]". She said that I was misleading people about the content of the comic this way—as if I had changed an exact measurement to one less exact or accurate.
And then there's the time when she asked people to cut down the wall of text in one entry, and then when I did that, she asked me to explain why I deleted things. I tried to be polite, but I wondered why she even asked for help if she expected people to follow rules she never bothered mentioning.
(Then, in an act of Edit Warring, she put back things I'd taken away.)
It feels like she's decided that my only task is to fix the grammar and spelling mistakes she keeps making again and again. It also feels like she's got this idea of how the page must be written that she assumes everybody else knows and she therefore chooses never to tell people about.
To be frank, she's acting like she's Knuckles the Echidna and the GotF page is a Chaos Emerald. ('Cause she's acting like its guardian, geddit?)
Short version: This troper is rude, keeps edit warring and has page ownership issues, and it's getting very tiring.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenWould these reasons make a case for What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? Webcomic
On the Wall of Text Cleanup thread, I brought up the What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? example for Ghosts of the Future for a Hedge Trim, and then we went into a dispute over whether the fact that the creator, Evan Stanley, is an official Sonic The Hedgehog comic artist and writer is another reason the Sonic fancomic could be mistaken for kids, thus worth mentioning.
I personally think it should, since I think the fact the creator is associated with the official Sonic franchise makes it more likely for the comic to be mistaken to be as kid-friendly as the official comics, not to mention Stanley stated that some people assumed the fancomic was official. However, other tropers disagreed, as they think it's a very mundane occurrence for Promoted Fanboys to have created kid-unfriendly Staff Created Fanwork before-hand and that just because people assume it's official doesn't meant they assume it's for kids.
I'd like input from more tropers on this.
Also, should the fact that one of the pages' description on DeviantArt has a joke clearly about and mentioning Shadow having an erection? Stanley considers her DeviantArt gallery to be the main host, so I think that's part of the work and should be mentioned. (I am very paranoid about the exposure of sexual content to children, because there are laws prohibiting the deliberate distribution of obscene material to children.)
Edited by PrincessPandaTropeopen Should Sinfest get a short term cleanup thread? Webcomic
Sinfest... is a thing. As a page that's been here since 2011, it has loads of problems: ZCEs even when there's a warning against them, using links in place of context, using words like "recent" and "just now" for events that are probably like five years old by now, ect. The subpages are just as bad, special mention going to the mini-forum that is the Headscratchers page and the complaining and ROCEJ-skirting of the YMMV page.
However, this comic has been around for 20 years, and the main page actually has a lot (and I mean a lot) of good examples mixed with the troubled ones. Slogging through the pages alone, especially as someone who does not read the comic, would be maddening.
So, rolling back around to my original question; would it be okay if I created a Short-Term Projects thread for Sinfest, and if so, would other people help out with the effort?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenOut-of-date page Webcomic
One of the webcomics I follow has a trope page, and the page is visibly behind the webcomic by several updates. (as in, the comic has a major cast of around ten, and around half of them aren't mentioned at all in the tropes list.) Is there a particular flag to put on such a work? The trope list seems too long to qualify as Works Needing Tropes but I'm also not clear if qualifies as Needs Wiki Magic Love either. I'm only an amateur troper, as you can tell; I've put some more examples on, but if there's a specific way to tag such a work page, I'd like to do it to this work.
Edited by TiberniusopenCyanide and Happiness moments pages are full off Zero Context Examples... Webcomic
Its literally nothing but "This" and links. This isnt kosher is it?
openRecreating a cut page Webcomic
I'd like to know if I could recreate the page for Alterity. It was deleted for Zero Context Examples, but I have created a sandbox page at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/Zavegonzo to demonstrate how a page for Alterity with well-written examples could look.
openLoveDodecahedron/WebComics Webcomic
Is there a thread that deals with examples being recent? LoveDodecahedron.Web Comics, due to the nature of tangling romance, features multiple examples that reek of being added as they happened, and nobody changing the wording of previous examples to match the new relationships.
openorder of the stick ymmv Webcomic
So, Miko Miyazaki's listed as a designated villain. I believe that the example is inaccurate. It clearly misrepresents elements from the story to try and absolve her of responsibility. Most egregiously, it tries to blame Shojo and Roy for not "explaining the situation" and for leaving her out of the loop regarding Shojo's schemes despite the fact that she's clearly gone off the deep end and isn't known to listen to reason, thus giving them plenty of reason not to tell her anything. I think we should delete the example but St Fan said to bring it up here first. So, what do you think?
openExamples from individual comics? Webcomic
Just out of curiosity, why doesn't Webcomic.Rage Comics allow examples from individual comics? Webcomic.Polandball allows examples from individual strips, and I don't see how that's any different.
openThe World Is Flat - example list Webcomic
Does The World is Flat have an exception from Weblinks Are Not Examples? Nearly all of the examples are just weblinks, but it is used so often for our trope depictions that I wouldn't be surprised if it had a special exception from the rule.
I deleted this entry on Spying with Lana for not being a valid example, as even looking at the page image will show Lana doesn't qualify, and it has been added back without explanation.
Original deleted entry:
New entry: