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openWhat can I use for example images Anime
Hi there! Long time lurker, newbie editor of pages. I decided to do a baby step of fixing some dead links on the *K-ON!* page. However, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly is fine to use as an example image. Are archive.org okay to use, or is first-hand source preferred? I was able to replace one with another example image (since they demonstrated the same thing), but some of the others don't have exact replacements. I have found an archive log of one example, but am unsure if I could use it.
Also, what should I do if a link is dead, and I can't replace it? Three out of four video links have since been deleted, unclear if by copyright or by the user, so I'm worried I might not be able to find replacements. Should I remove the links if I can't?
[PS: if one could redirect me to a source that explains this, it would be much appreciated. ^^ I've tried but I didn't find one as of typing this]
resolved The Ron the Death Eater example from YMMV/SonicX Anime
I wanted to make this discussion because I saw that the Ron the Death Eater example for Chris Thorndyke was deleted. Here it is.
- Ron the Death Eater: Chris Thorndyke is often viewed by fans as a selfish, spoiled brat, who's life isn't all that bad as he claims it is, and being more obsessive over Sonic than Amy is. However, Chris isn't really a bad kid. His whiny moments like in episode 49 were due to his fear of loneliness, which kept him from handling the situation of Sonic returning to his world more positively, especially since the news sprung upon him unexpectedly and was pretty impactful for him, and he was acting more traumatic and in denial than like a spoiled brat. His clinginess to Sonic and his fear of loneliness is due to being neglected by his parents since he was little, as he had to spend most of his time alone inside his huge and empty mansion without friends or siblings, making his life feel very empty and he didn't want to lose the one person who filled that void with his friendship and adventures. This also applies to when Chris shut down the portal to stop Sonic from going back to his world. Chris didn't shut down the portal because he's a spoiled brat. He did it because his emotions and fears got the best of him, that he made a reckless choice without thinking clearly.
I actually agree with this example, but it was deleted because apparently it was added by a ban evader. I am for adding it back because although Chris is not my favorite character of this show (due to some issues with how he was written), I do agree that fans do tend to demonize this kid.
openWant to add secondary trope to video Anime
In the video examples for Romantic Ribbing, I believe the trope also shows an attempt at Romantic Spoonfeeding, but I cannot find the edit option to add it. I've scoured the how-tos and forums and can't find what I'm looking for. Is this something an Admin needs to do?
openSomeone removed the content of the "Awesome" page of Voltes V, and replaced it with...this Anime
This is the page now, I can't make sense of what's going on. I edited this page months ago and it was normal, had clean grammar, readable examples and made sense. Now it looks like someone has deleted ALL that content and added a whole bunch of natter.
Is there a way to restore this page to it's clean, readable original version? (If you need a time frame, November 2023 - I remember checking out this page and it looked normal and up to standards).
openEnsemble Dark Horse misuse? Anime
Last year’s November, in the anime’s YMMV subpage, this Ensemble Dark Horse was added in Nov 26th 2023 from the anime tv show called Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. According to the no recent examples rule, the Ensemble Dark Horse can only be added within one month after the anime’s release date. However this anime tv show was released on November 17th, 2023, therefore it was too early to add this opinionated trope at that time of last year.
I’m well aware of the fact that it’s January 10th (or 11th, depending on the country time and date), 2024, and it seems rather irrelevant considering it has been roughly well over two months now already. Truthfully back then, I have known about the Ensemble Dark Horse being added two months ago for a while but I was afraid of what other tropers would react to my response or post. I never actually watched Scott Pilgrim Takes Off and I’m not exactly sure how popular these characters are. I don’t have much good reasons for showing this, I apologize for bringing this up right now of all times. I thought it might be worth mentioning it, or perhaps I just felt like it. Perhaps now it is okay for the Ensemble Dark Horse stay and leave as it is? Or if there is any actual reasons to remove it? Any thoughts?
Edited by YatasumujiSenpaiopenBroken Aesop Entry Anime
I have an entry I would like to add to Anime & Manga but last time I added an example of that trope got deleted. So I would like to know where I should run my entry to see if it meets the standards.
resolved Vocabulary Conflict Anime
A little while ago now, Dentaku made this edit on YMMV.Bocchi The Rock for the LGBT Fanbase example.
All instances of "Sapphic" were replaced with "Lesbian", saying the former is an "old-fashioned" form of the latter. I reverted the change with the reason that Sapphic is actually an umbrella term for any woman who loves woman (which does include lesbians, but also labels like bisexual, demi, etc.)
And then just today, someone reverted it again with no edit reason.
Edited by IkeaHanopenWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
openWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
openEdit War on YMMV.KiraKiraPrecureALaMode Anime
On the 10th of October Tropers/Dr_Wrecker made an edit on YMMV.Kira Kira Precure A La Mode changing Base-Breaking Character to [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]]: here
I changed it back with the edit reason "The displayed trope name should not be altered". After that I forgot about it.
Earlier today the same troper made the exact same change to the exact same page here.
Again I undid it, this time with the edit reason "As stated on How to Write an Example: Do Not Alter or Pothole the Trope Name". At first I did not think anything of it, but something kept nagging at me and after searching through the page history – that particular troper has made A LOT of edits to that page – I discovered that this is an edit war.
I have sent no notifiers for the edit war, though I have sent Dr_Wrecker a notifier for an earlier edit on the same page (adding a commented out example of Base-Breaking Character that later got expanded on).
openMajority and TheyChangedItSoItSucks? Anime
A while ago, a They Changed It, So It Sucks entry was added to the The Dangers in My Heart about some fans taking issue with the anime downplaying the comedic elements of the manga In favor emphasizing the romantic scenes. Then It was deleted it on the grounds of still being well received by the majority of fans.
That explanation confused me considering it’s YMMV and I initially thought it was about the anime's reception in general. But having thought about it further up to now, if it was specifically about moments tied to romantic/dramatic scenes then I'd get it.
I was focused on the comedic bits in general and how the anime can be less expressive than in the manga. Still though, I was wondering if something like that would count as an example and whether majority rule stands as criteria for the trope just for future reference.
I sent a PM to the user to talk about it and avoid any issues. But they only gave a short response to my first message (which admittedly had some extra text that I didn’t see until later) and not the second.
Edited by PurpleEmperoropenRocket Girls Cleanup/Refurbishment Thread Request Anime
The wiki's page for Anime.Rocket Girls has been in an odd state ever since its launch: Tropes are split into three categorization folders that were created shortly after page launch (a format no other page on this wiki follows as far as I've seen); there are a lot of zero or low-context examples, commented out and otherwise, and I feel some of the tropes cited may not line up with their wiki definitions. I've been compiling/rewriting trope examples from this series on an off-site Google Doc with the intention of bringing them over to the wiki for a while now, but I want to do so with approval from the mods for a planned drastic overhaul, and some feedback on revisions of certain tropes I'm not very certain about. Would it be appropriate to start a forum thread under Short-Term Projects focused on overhauling this page?
openDestiny Lovers Anime
One I'm wondering how to create a page for the series Destiny Lovers and two is the series to lewd an example to be here.
openAll films in a franchise are misnamed Anime
All 26 films in the Detective Conan franchise have "Film Number X" inserted into their titles for some reason, even though this is not in any of their offical titles- for example, Detective Conan Film 01: The Time-Bombed Skyscraper instead of the offical title Detective Conan The Time Bombed Skyscraper. I didn't see an existing cleanup thread about Conan to bring this up and there's no discussions on the discussions page, so I figured I'd bring it here. Any problems with me bringing these to the Locked Pages thread to transfer the page histories to the correct titles, then moving the wicks?
openwhat chapter is this in? Anime
I'm crosswicking Threads of Fate since it launched today and I already ran into two issues while crosswicking.
The entry being added to Black Clover:
- Vanessa's Thread Magic allows her to produce the "Red Thread of Fate", which usually takes the form of a cat spun from red yarn. This cat can rewrite someone's fate simply by touching them, changing it instead to something more favorable.
The two issues:
Red String of Fate also lists Black Clover as its own example and there's a lot more influence from that myth rather than the Greek one.
From Red String of Fate:
- Vanessa Enoteca from Black Clover manifests a spell called the Red Thread of Fate, forming a red cat familiar named Rouge made of her magical threads. Instead of it being romantic love as is usual for the trope, the magic is based on familial love. Her spell only protects the Black Bulls, whom she deeply loves and acknowledges as her true family over her abusive mother the Witch Queen. Rouge's presence near the Black Bull changes fate in their favor, making them avoid attacks so long as it's nearby.
One mention of Vanessa's powers from Black Clover:
- The Heart Kingdom's Magic Stages scale has Arcane Stages, who are mages whose magic are referred to as inexplicable powers. They include Asta, who was born without magic, letting him use Anti-Magic, Secre's Sealing Magic permanently changed after using Forbidden Magic, Yami's Dark Magic that can affect the underworld, Vanessa's magic to change fate to favor her friends, and Grey's transformation magic to transmute magic into different attributes.
I'm just not sure if I should describe it as an overlap or not.
I didn't think too hard about it until now. Maybe it's the coffee because I checked stuff at least twice before launching at different hours.
Also sorry for the "Anime" listing, there's no manga medium category to click on.
Edited by INeveropenRevert Edit? Anime
An editor called Eag3r-Mc B3av3r just put through a major edit on the Bleach: Soul Society Dwellers page that contains a bunch of Zero-Context Examples and a few double-troped bullet points. I've sent a DM explaining that that goes against TV Tropes' editing rules, but only time will tell if they go back in and fix things. In the meantime should we wait, or just revert back to the earlier version?
Edited by Arawn999openSorting anime films Anime
Minor example sorting disagreement in TLP: Should anime films (e.g. Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor: The Movie) go in Film — Animated folders like western animated films (Shrek, Toy Story), or in Anime and Manga? For the last while I've been thinking the latter should be mainly for serialized works.
Edited by StarSwordopenRegarding the Kellen Goff page Anime
I was once edit banned for participating in an Edit War on Kellen Goff's page. The previous thread that spoke of this issue became locked due to the conversation going nowhere and taking too long. However, the moderator GastonRabbit gave me permission via PM to make another thread in hopes of resolving the issue at hand.
His page doesn't any tropes that could reasonably fit at the bottom such as Typecasting, Star-Making Role, or Playing Against Type. I think that there's room to fix this, but it shouldn't be done with Zero Context Examples. Another mod said that the explanation shouldn't be too overblown, either.
Note: The reason why the anime medium was selected for this question is because most of his work is for Anime, or at least Japanese media.
Edited by 227someguy
Anime/anime adjacent trope - Blonde with fists as weapons
Got a list of examples for anyone important enough to create a page:
https://in-birth.fandom.com/wiki/Mika
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Yang_Xiao_Long
https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Hibiki_Tachibana
https://shangrila-frontier.fandom.com/wiki/Kei_Uomi (Shangri-La Frontier form), see ep12 5:03
https://mahoako.fandom.com/wiki/Tenkawa_Kaoruko (fist attack)
Edited by tempuser1283914