Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

Hmm, so Game Gourmet is approaching, but not reaching the tropeworthy status of being All Swords Are the Same, but food?

I can't see Game Gourmet as anything more than "Hyperactive Metabolism but many".

i think i can see the case for the two being merged into one given the previous points. maybe Hyperactive Metabolism could be expanded to also cover cases where food in a game has some other gameplay benefit besides a buff or healing? i.e. cases where giving food to characters raises your Relationship Values or consuming food raises your EXP, things like that

I always thought Hyperactive Metabolism is the eating version of Talking Is a Free Action, but Health Food as a redirect implies that I'm wrong.

Was doing a very casual check on Game Gourmet wicks and yeah, virtually every example so far either just lists food with no context or is really saying "This game has more than one type of Hyperactive Metabolism, or Rare Candy, or Power-Up Food, or Edible Collectible, or recipe for Cooking Mechanics".

If there's any world building or relevant gameplay element coming through, it's not being shown in the examples. Beyond being a bit of a dumping ground for the other video game food tropes, it really just looks like it's saying "food exists in these games" and I have to be like...ok?

If you did a full wick check and the results weren’t good (which it sounds like hey wouldn’t be), you could just add yourself to the TRS Queue and you’ll be pinged when it’s time for Game Gourmet to be taken in. I could see a TRS case if low context examples and trope overlap are the main issues.

I'll likely do so later this week, just wanted to get a few more opinions before I queued it up.

I feel like there's a character type at the intersection of White Hair, Black Heart and Bunny-Ears Lawyer — a Genki Boy genius with white hair who, if not a villain, is at least a darker shade of grey.

I was reading One Winged Michelangelo and that manga's version of Leonardo da Vinci is like that. He made me think of Charles Grey, Shimotsuki Shun, Tsurumaru Kuninaga, and a few other characters like that. Probably half of them are voiced by either Ryōhei Kimura or Jun'ichi Suwabe. Actually, speaking of Black Butler, Undertaker might also count, but I think this type is a little prettier than that. You might add "obsessed with a rival" and it wouldn't narrow the pool much.

I feel like people who watch more Cast Full of Pretty Boys anime than I do would probably be able to suggest more. The one with the pink hair and marionettes from Ensemble Stars! might be it, even if his hair isn't white?

Are you pitching a trope idea? You want the Trope Idea Sounding Board for that.

How is Unintentional Period Piece notable? Without knowing whether the work is "intended to be timeless", it just seems to be about a work featuring technology, cultural habits and practices that have become obsolete since its publication date. Which is probably something that will happen to every given work set in the real world given enough time.

Edited by Adept on Apr 14th 2023 at 10:16:53 PM

^There was a very long TRS thread that closed up earlier this year for this that ended with changing it from Trivia to YMMV and then seemingly fizzled out when no one knew what else to do with it. See here.

I was not involved in the thread as I also don't really think this trope is an actual thing, but I advise going through the thread to see the discussion. The tropeworthiness gets discussed specifically starting here

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 11th 2023 at 1:52:23 PM

My personal opinion is that some works are very much dated by the time in which they came out, but the question is whether that's truly intentional. Some works age better than others, so not everything will be blatantly outdated, though that could be the exception and not the rule.

I thought we have a different trope for works that are already dated when it comes out, although it's still in TLP.

Unintentional Period Piece is (from what I understand) about works that are set in the time period they are published in, and it shows because there are elements in the that are specific to that era, and is dated by modern standards.

Edited by Adept on Apr 12th 2023 at 1:50:04 AM

That trope was drafted because of the UPP thread (the details of it are explained there) as a way to spin out the actual meaning of the trope. So it could be the case that if/when that draft launches it would effectively displace UPP, but that's a big if.

I was the one that brought UPP in to TRS. Or more specifically, 2021 me that was more inexperienced and impulsive brought it in without coming up with a decent or workable solution.

If we can't salvage it, I don't feel bad about gutting it FWIW.

The Instantly Dated draft was created in 2019, predating the TRS thread. I don't believe it was created for that reason.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Apr 12th 2023 at 5:41:19 AM

I think the Instantly Dated draft was created in response to the Were Still Relevant Dammit thread, actually, but I digress.

Although would it be prudent to bring up UPP again in the TRS for being Not Tropeworthy when the last thread already shot down the "cut" option?

Edited by Adept on Apr 12th 2023 at 5:27:37 PM

My apologies, I got that draft confused with (one of) the 2 passed crowner options for that thread

• "Create a "Present Day Period Piece" trope which covers works deliberately dated to the era they were made
• Create a Nebulous Now supertrope to catch some of the misuse draft here

As for reopening it in TRS, I think a case can be made, just because of the way that by the end of the thread multiple people who had participated in the discussion explicitly said they had no idea what was even going on with the trope anymore. I will also say that the disambig option was added to the crowner a day after it was initially made (which I personally dislike as a practice since the crowner will be biased against it, given that a lot of people who vote in TRS crowners are drive-bys who do so only when it's first posted and don't follow the thread and announcements, but I digress). That said, there is a long term clean up thread still going through the trope, even though it's stalled.

Honestly, this is probably a question better suited for the TRS general thread where more people who participated in that thread (and mods) can give their two cents.

As someone who participated in this thread, let me tell you...

I was completely and utterly stumped. And it's one of the threads I stopped being able to contribute to because at some point I completely lost track of what was happening and why.

I'm not against going back to TRS if we have a clearer roadmap this time, but what happened last time is that we all got lost in the details. That sort of thing happened a lot back then, tbh.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 12th 2023 at 2:15:46 PM

For some context, there was a trope talk thread for UPP long before the TRS thread. On idea that was thrown out was to have a waiting period before examples could be added. The problem was there were some examples that were dated at the time of release. That's where Instantly Dated came from.

It makes sense to make it a disambig. There are tropes that cover common reasons a work can feel dated, such as Values Dissonance, Zeerust, Science Marches On, etc. Other reasons, such as "work is made in The '70s, so people wear 70s clothes" are chairs category.

There is a waiting period, but it allows "exceptions" that aren't defined well.

I remember always being really annoyed at the waiting period (since the cut off date seemed completely arbitrary) but...

I think the logic was too many people jumping the gun and assuming that a work would be seen as dated down the line. You kind of saw this after COVID, where a lot of UPP examples were for works that didn't acknowledge the pandemic.

Since Amathieu mentioned it, I'm going to bring the UPP discussion up in TRS meta.

What does Commissar Cap supposed tell, that the character is imperialistic or just wears a Cool Hat?