Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Goku Black
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Dr Bloch.
NGL it sounds like the revival amped things up with Guys like Wayne Haas and Radammacher compared to the original.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Not the Eye
Bloch (what a name)
To Bloch
....Phenomenal
for Apocalypse, Magician, and Bloch.
RIP Toriyama
Yes to Apocalypse, the Magician and Bloch, good work everyone!
- Too Young To Die?: Billy Canton is a despicable pimp with a predilection for underage girls. Billy's latest target, Mandy, is a homeless 14 year old girl who Billy quickly addicts to drugs and coerces into dancing at strip joints for cash. Billy rapes her himself, and when she tries to leave him for military man Mike, Billy begins stalking and harassing her. When Mandy comes back to him, Billy turns her out to paying clients for a time before getting her so high on drugs that he's able to lead her in killing Mike and endangering the man's girlfriend. For all his proclaimed care for Mandy, Billy never saw her as anything but a toy and moneymaker, and immediately sells her out to be executed when he is arrested.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Time to be able to make a draft has come. Here it is:
- Mononoke: The Zue Mononoke is in truth a narcissistic Ayakashi possessing a rotten piece of wood known as The Toudaiji, and is the only of its kind completely lacking in sympathetic qualities or tragedy. Developing into a Mononoke from people’s blind admiration of it, it drove two of Lady Ruri’s original suitors to murder her and another suitor in obsession before killing the three suitors and her maid, and trapped them in a "Groundhog Day" Loop. Not content with this, it killed hundreds of others, including a young girl, before attempting to lure the Medicine Peddler himself, forcing him to brutally “kill” the suitors to free them. When snapped in half, the graveyard of its victims is revealed to stretch dozens of yards around the house property
Edited by Orangutans on Aug 16th 2023 at 9:16:06 AM
Peter Williams
Apocalypse
By the way, is this Apocalypse the "canon" 616 variant that we disqualified a while ago or something else?
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Aug 17th 2023 at 12:58:59 AM
....Phenomenal
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It's the Dark Ages (Marvel Comics) miniseries. I'm not sure if we know the name of the universe it takes place in, but it's definitely not the mainline 616. It's some sort of post-apocalyptic alternate universe.
"Main" Apocalypse's mitigating features don't exist for his counterpart here, as far as I know, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Edited by TheGrayFox on Aug 16th 2023 at 10:09:42 AM
There remains a foothold out of this mire — now climb.
Apocalypse, Peter Williams, and Bloch
x2 Ahh I see.
RIP Toriyama
Up next...got two coming from this film.
What's the work?
Extraction (no, not that one) is a 2013 action film that follows an elite U.S. military team as they are dispatched to infiltrate a high-tech Chechen prison and extract a dangerous terrorist so he can be imprisoned in America.
Who is Kyle Black? What has he done?
- A CIA operative and seemingly one of the heroes of the film, Kyle Black—Sean Astin—is, in truth, a mole in his organization working for the bogeyman of all terrorists, Rudolph Martin. Martin is a mass murderer whose schemes have killed hundreds over the years, all as Black serves as his intel and helps him avoid capture.
- Now, Black learns that "Martin"—actually a body double named Victor—has been captured in Chechyna and imprisoned. Under the guise of getting info on this event, Black stages a highly-dangerous raid on a brothel, initiating a shootout that gets multiple girls killed with orders to execute a criminal once a hard drive is retrieved from him. Though the man is spared by our lead, Mercy, Black subjects the mook to a rousing round of Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique and "learns" of "Martin's" imprisonment in Chechyna.
- Working with Colonel Harding—Danny Glover—as well as a psychological intelligence officer named Natalie—Joanne Kelly—Black drafts 6 elite military officers to infiltrate the Chechen prison and get "Martin" out and brought to America. Of course, Black being a mole, he has no plans for the mission to be a success. He sets up the entire military team to die in a bloody by the prison guards, with only Mercy escaping with "Martin" in tow.
- Further using the Chechen military as attack dogs and having them open fire on Mercy, "Martin" and multiple other military personnel, Black is infuriated when "Martin" is brought to a secure location, awaiting interrogation as he recovers from wounds in a hostapil bed...but, as Black has known all along, this isn't "Martin" himself, but rather a body double named Victor with tons of information on the real Martin and a desire to share it all with America out of moral obligation.
- Having staged the entire plot under the false pretense of "extracting" Victor while actually trying to kill him, Black plans to murder Victor with a poisonous injection as he is hospitalized. Regrettably, though Black tries to frame Harding as the mole, the intelligent Natalie has an epiphany that the mole is Black—Black immediately realizes she knows and snaps her neck.
- As Black attempts to kill Victor, Mercy and an army soldier accidentally walk in, to which Black unflinchingly executes the soldier and tries to murder Mercy too, before ultimately taken down and exposed by Victor as a high-ranking agency of the real Martin's terrorist cabal.
Mitigating features?
None, he's portrayed as a good if ruthless guy for most of the movie but the end reveals he's aligned himself with a vile terrorist for his own gain, and he murders his closest compatriot throughout the film, the innocent Natalie, while barely breaking expression.
Heinousness?
Even though Martin is the Greater-Scope Villain, he's wholly offscreen and Black is left as the true Big Bad of the film. He's a nasty CIA operative whose opening mission sees several bystanders get killed as he coldly orders an unarmed criminal be executed, he's helped Martin get away with his terrorist actions for God-knows how long, he sets up the extraction team and other military personnel to die, and he personally executed Natalie and some poor soldier to cover his tracks before he attempts the same on Victor and Mercy.
Edited by Ravok on Aug 17th 2023 at 1:12:08 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Not the Eye
Ultimate Moral Compass
Samwise gone rogue
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Bloch and Black.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Kyle black
Kyle Black.
Alright guys, I'll get to work on Berserk and the Band of the Hawk this weekend, but for now:
- Berserk (1997): Griffith was the beautiful but ruthless leader of The Band of the Hawk. Bringing many to his side through his charisma, Griffith sacrificed the lives of his followers and Midland's enemies for his ambition. When he is almost assassinated, Griffith has Guts kill the man who hired the assassin, smiling wickedly even at the news the man's young son was killed, as well. Blackmailing a minister by kidnapping his daughter, Griffith forces him to assist him in roasting his conspirators alive, then has Guts kill the kidnappers to keep them quiet. After Guts leaves the Hawk, Griffith forces himself on the princess of Midland in a desperate attempt to regain his feeling of control, only to end up imprisoned and tortured. Saved by the Hawk and a returning Guts, Griffith ungratefully has them butchered and damned by demons so he could join The God Hand, spitefully raping Casca in front of Guts.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Should I create a tree for Griffith, like for Gul'dan at Warcraft?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts Kyle
Shadow Ranger
First CM EP for me.
What is the Work?
Deadbolt is a video game that was released in 2016 by Hopoo Games, the same creators of the Risk of Rain series. It focuses on the Reaper, who would wage a crusade against the army of the undead surrounding the city while learning about their schemes around the Place, with the help of the Candles and his employer the Flames.
Who is she?
The leader of the 1000 Year Royals, a vampiric secret society, Madam Stela is a known Boomerang Bigot who utterly despises the undead (ironically she is one) due to her Bad Boss cruelty towards her minions, with her treating them as nothing more than pawns to her goal.
She is a Black Widow who was married to several husbands, where she killed two of them, and three in the form of Sir Stela, where she proxied it, in the past for reasons that all border to selfishness. She later becomes involved in sacrificing her own underlings as cannon fodder for the drug Ash as means to power up Ibzan's corpse portal, so she can profit from Ibzan's plans and reach the Flames for her own purposes, planning to betray him once his plans succeeded.
In the present Madam Stela is firstly encountered by the current Reaper inside her residence, where she sent her minions to kill Reaper for destroying her operations. Ultimately, however, after the massive gunfight, Madam Stela's phylacteries were destroyed by the Reaper and killing her in the process, thereby ultimately causing the collapse of the 1000 Year Royals.
Freudian Excuses?
As shown in two of the Vampire cassettes (Vampire #2 and Vampire #3) in the game that mentions Madam Stela, there is nothing redeeming or excusing about her. She is the epitome of a Bad Boss that completely contrasts with the likes of Roland and Ibzan, with the former who show genuine care to his fellow Zombies and with Ibzan being a vengeful but tragic figure who even forgives the Flames near the end of the game. And her? She has zero care towards her minions, often seeing them as fodder to further her own plans.
Madam Stela is absolutely selfish to the point that she despises her own kind, which is a classical case of boomerang bigotry, in such manner that she sacrifices most of them to be turned into Ash. Loyalty is non-existent to her as she flats out proxies the murder of her husband, Sir Stela, with Ibzan's help, which has already been established that she murders two of her previous husbands for petty reasons like not enjoying dancing, as well as with her previous husband who liked the undead. She only joins with Ibzan to further his plan of completing the Corpse Portal, where she does so for her own purposes, not caring about the Dredged and Ibzan. All in all, Madam Stela is portrayed as callous and egotistical leader who is a complete narcissist who only cares for herself.
Heinous Standard
Ibzan is the Big Bad who sets the game's heinous standards, where he creates the Dredged, murders Sir Stela and his minions in cold blood, as well as planning to use the corpses the Reaper find to be used for the Corpse Portal to kill the Flames and the Candles, despite his intentions being ultimately sympathetic at the end.
But Madam Stela, on the other hand, goes beyond it and shows no sympathy for every action she does. She regularly abuses her minions and shows utter disgust towards them. She exemplifies it at one point (Vampire #2 cassette tape) when she sacrifices most of them to be turned as Ash in one of her harvests, shown when she turned one of her minions, Logan, into Ash, after revealing the real truth behind the mass-harvesting and Madam Stela's involvement on it. She also murdered two of her previous husbands for the pettiest of reasons imaginable, just because of trivialities, and later went to proxy the death of Sir Stela with Ibzan and the Dredged's help. Speaking of, she also had plans to betray Ibzan once the Corpse Portal is complete to succeed her own goal of reaching the Flames to simply benefit herself, uncaring of the casualties she causes in the first place.
Conclusion
She can go weak yes, but I'll leave you to vote.
Edited by holygrail24 on Aug 17th 2023 at 10:22:27 AM
The Metro series fan! Steam Account: Randum
for Olgoi-Khorkhoi. Sounds like a guy who walked out of a Mad Max movie.
for Janssen
Abstaining on the Mademoiselle.
for Sorr and Freya
for Williams
for Apocalypse. Can’t wait for this guy to show up in the MCU.
for the Magician.
for Doc Bloch
for Black
Alright Jules got down voted so there's only Graaf's write-up left.
Slavemaster Graaf is the cruel Legion warlord of the Diamond Red Mine. Once a slave himself, he was made overseer after ratting out the escape planes of his fellow slaves. Looking down on the other slaves for their perceived weakness Graaf leds a brutal regime, making sure that all slaves arriving at Diamond Red know that they only way they'll ever leave this place is in a coffin. When the player's mercenaries arrive in the area and Graaf becomes aware of them, he makes good on his promise by ordering his men to kill the slave, while also shooting them from the balcony of his office with a sniper rifle. Once defeated he offers to work for the player, claiming that free workers are just lazy thieves and that they need someone like him in charge.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So someone who barely cracks double digits got voted up, while someone who killed hundreds using mustard gas got voted down. I don't get things sometimes. I'm gonna recount him.
EDIT:
- Yes (4): NTG (proposer); Mir; Geode; ACW
- No (2): Tyk; 777
- Abstain/Unsure (3): 43110; DDD; MGD
Well, hell, not enough votes, but only 9 votes total. Any other votes?
Edited by ACW on Aug 17th 2023 at 10:44:54 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Okay I think I’ve got a keeper from a Classic series. As I’m sure most of you already know, The Outer Limits was a highly influential Sci-fi anthology series. At the present we already have three keepers from the shows revival.
However, I believe I’ve found one from the original show.
It Crawled Out of The Wood Work focuses on Jory Peters, a young man of little direction in life, who decides to accompany his older brother Professor Stuart Peters when he takes a job at NORCO, a research centre in Southern California.
However, the centre turns out to be hiding a particularly dark secret, and at centre of it all is our candidate Doctor Bloch.
Who Is he:
The directing chief of NORCO, on the surface Doctor Bloch appears a charming and easy going scientist, as well as a supportive and welcoming boss.
In reality he’s a twisted, callous old school Mad Scientist (and this being the sixties, he naturally has a German accent).
What Does he Do:
A freak accident resulted in NORCO creating a creature composed of pure energy, that is capable of feeding off any sort of energy including that of life itself, to point of flat-out consuming people’s entire beings. All the scientists were fascinated by this new form of existence, in particular Doctor Bloch, together they managed to contain it by luring it into the centres energy reactor.
However, to their horror they discovered that if the control slipped even momentarily then the creature would kill indiscriminately and would never stop. Realising how dangerous this was, they began working on trying to find a way to destroy the creature. However, Doctor Bloch’s fascination had by this point growing into an obsession. Enthralled by “his discovery”, having figured out how to control the creature, Bloch used it to instead kill off all the scientists as well as the security personal one by one.
Then, as the creature’s method of death left no physical damage, he operated upon their bodies fitting them all of them with a modified pacemaker. With which he brought them back to life, informing them that if they wanted to stay alive they would do whatever he wanted. And what he wanted was to continue researching his great discovery, to unlock the creatures’ secrets.
Pretending to run the facility as normal, Bloch turned his attention to luring in more scientists, hoping their expertise would help with the research. Hence how Stuart ended up working there. Upon driving up a day early to get a look at the facility, the security guard Warren Morley attempted to warn the brothers of the danger they were in. But catching him, Bloch dispatched his monster on the terrified Morely who died begging he hadn’t told them anything, eradicating him from existence.
The next day Doctor Bloch cheerfully welcomed Stuart, although he’s a bit annoyed to discover he’s brought his brother with him as they job offer specified he would be alone, and introduced him to his lab partner Professor Stephanie Linden. Then forced poor Stephanie to trap Stuart in the corridor with the creature killing him. Bloch then immediately got work on him, passing off his disappearance as that Stuart was out in the desert for one their research projects.
Resurrecting Stuart and filling him in on the situation, he sent him out with orders to find a way to get Jory to leave California. Thus Stuart pretended to have grown sick of him and wanted him gone. Unfortunately this descended into a scuffle and Stuart fell into a bath Jory had drawn, the water immediately frying his exposed pacemaker and killing him.
Stuarts death got Sergeant Siroleo (played by Ed Asner) to investigate. Bloch tried to charm him into believing he was not involved in what was clearly a tragic accident but failed to reassure Siroleo. Realising he wouldn’t stop digging, Bloch ordered Stephanie to draw him into the chamber so the creature could kill him.
However, Stephanie finally broke from guilt and couldn’t go through with it. Catching them at gunpoint Bloch boasted of his “almost total control” over the creature and how no one would stop him from discovering its secrets.
Getting the drop on him whilst he was distracted, Siroleo manged to disarm Bloch. Wrestling Stephanie grabbed the gun and managed to fatally shot Doctor Bloch. Overcome with horror she explained to Siroleo how Bloch’s fascination had grown into an obsession with “solving the mystery of it”.
Unfortunately, Bloch wasn’t dead yet, and with the last of his strength he activated the controls releasing the beast, his final words being “every man wants to solve one mystery before he dies” before he succumbed to his wounds, knowing he had already locked them in.
Thus the energy creature was unleashed on the facility, indiscriminately killing everyone inside the building. Between the efforts of Jory, Siroleo and Stephanie they managed to contain it again, although Stephanie also died her pacemaker drained of its power.
Any Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Traits:
Nothing given. Bloch entire motivation is purely For Science!, not even for any end goal. He solely wants to unlock the secrets of the creature and doesn’t consider numerous people dying a remotely unreasonable price.
Siroleo flat out tells him he’s insane, only for Stephanie to sadly note he isn’t and its so much worse, as at least that would give him some excuse for his horrific acts. Overall the episode merely presents Bloch as callous, selfish and more than a little narcissistic.
Heinous Standard:
In a series where the antagonists are more often impersonal or complex forces, usually difficult to describe or even categorise as villainous. Doctor Bloch is very much the exception. The guy is utterly callous and selfish Mad Scientist. Now to be completely fair I haven’t watched the entire series just yet. But Bloch is very much above the normal standard, and is so far easily the worst I’ve managed to find.
To be fair its not made clear exactly how many people he killed (we see at least six victims on screen), but I feel that his last act is to unleashed an nigh-unstoppable monster that will never stop killing purely out of spite is enough to push him well over.
Conclusion:
Amusingly, I think Bloch might be my first clear cut stereotypical mad scientist. As such I'm quite happy its from such a classic source. But I think he’s an easy keeper.
So what do you think?
Edited by MGD107 on Aug 17th 2023 at 4:00:03 AM