My Little Pony: Cleanup Is Magic

Oh and this is what confirmed Rainbow was not intended to be a straight lesbian.

Straight lesbian? That's an oxymoron.

Keep in mind though, lots of Faust's wishes were eventually shrugged off in later seasons, such as her aversion to romantic arcs in the show.

Still... I feel like she is intended to be bisexual, due to showing more than a passing interest in male Wonderbolts.

You mean Soarin? Did they ever actually have any sort of Ship Tease? The only other prominent Wonderbolts I can think of are either female, or that one who framed her in that one episode.

There is actually no evidence that she is a lesbian or bisexual.

Klavice have you been reading too much fanfiction? I already told you that rainbow dash has never shown any interest in a male Wonderbolts. She and him are officially just friends. Rainbow Dash had Ship Tease with other male and female characters in case you haven't seen it in the episodes. It's the only thing they should add to the page.

Edited by Ashley-Alejo on Jan 26th 2021 at 7:47:14 AM

Again, I believe Word of Faust disapproved of giving Rainbow any romantic interest in early seasons, and I don't remember any specific Ship Tease with Soarin - she was never more interested in him than Spitfire and it was always more of a fangirl thing anyway. So I'd categorize her as Ambiguously Gay due to the Ship Tease in the finale, but I can't think of any male characters she had deliberate Ship Tease with so I don't think Ambiguously Bi is worth it.

Personally I think this specific issue is taking up way too much of this thread's time and we could probably focus on other parts of the pages to clean up.

I agree.

I guess we could put Ambiguously Gay for Rainbow, but I feel like while it wasn't anything major she did have actual ship tease with males, not Soarin or Zephyr Breeze though. She had a genuine connection with Quibble Pants and though she approved of his relationship with Clear Sky, she made no hesitations in teasing him.

There's also Thunderlane and the Boy Bullies who many see as a fourth option for straight Rainbow Dash ships, and while I heavily HEAVILY don't approve of abuse ships, Thunderlane kinda followed her to the Wonderbolts and both often interact, maybe not in S9 where the Wonderbolts are mostly absent aside from Soarin', Spitfire, and Fleetfoot, but it's still there.

Subtext or no, it's still tease. That's like saying Rainbow only saw Fluttershy as a friend when it's obvious the two at the very least have a sister like relationship.

"Genuine connection" isn't synonymous with Ship Tease though. Especially when the character she supposedly had a "tease" with has a canon relationship with no indication that Rainbow was a better partner.

At this point I'd rather leave off both Ambiguously Gay and Ambiguously Bi if it's causing this much discourse about shipping.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 27th 2021 at 1:31:51 PM

I was adding some examples to Brainy Baby and alphabetising the page... when I noticed that it claims baby Flurry Heart develops neuroses. If they're referring to her losing it in "A Flurry of Emotions", I highly doubt that's a neurosis— I think it's just a cartoony, exaggerated version of a baby crying because they can't find their toy.

Found some stuff on FandomEnragingMisconception.My Little Pony that refers to misconceptions about the brony fandom and pre-G4 fandom. Is this an accurate usage of the trope, which seems to be more about getting objective facts about the show wrong?

• Outside the fandom, especially by mainstream media, bronies are usually defined as "grown-up men who like My Little Pony". This is completely and utterly wrong. For one: Bronies are not generally fans of My Little Pony. They are only fans of the animated series My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. In fact, many of them loathe all other generations with a passion, sometimes including G4 spinoffs such as My Little Pony: Equestria Girls and especially My Little Pony: Pony Life.
• Also, bronies are not all "grown-up men". One out of seven bronies is female, including a large number of Fandom VIPs. Although there's the term "pegasis", "brony" is gender-neutral. Not exactly few bronies are transgender or otherwise genderqueer. And there are enough underage bronies that this regularly becomes a problem for meet-ups and conventions.
• Most fans of the pre-G4 generations who actually engage in an online fandom are pony collectors. There's a common misconception amongst them that bronies are collectors just like them, but either focusing on or specializing in G4. This is not true either. Bronies are in it for the animated show. Many of them don't even care about merch, especially not Hasbro's own products which are seen as sub-par in comparison to what licensees make, not to mention the fan-made stuff. And if it isn't what bronies call "show accurate", i.e. if it doesn't look like in the show, they generally won't touch it at all.
• This also means that there is not one single, unified My Little Pony fandom. There are two distinct fandoms, the collectors and the bronies, that have got almost nothing to do with each other. All they have in common are some conventions which are for both and a deep hatred for G3.5.[[/note]]

I guess I was a little unsure because of the references to common fan opinions, i.e. the "deep hatred of G3.5" bit and the part about Hasbro's toys.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 30th 2021 at 2:41:55 PM

Those all are objective facts about the fandom. Anyway, I think that's out of the scope of FEM.

Edited by ccorb on Jan 30th 2021 at 5:12:48 AM

There is something wrong, I mean, I have many doubts about the characters and franchise and a bunch of other stuff l don't understand.

For instance Equestria girls

When I was reading the information on some websites, I found a script for the fourth movie, something left me confused but made a lot of sense.

Edited by Ashley-Alejo on Jan 30th 2021 at 2:23:02 AM

...If you have confusions about the work, why not just write a Headscratcher entry?

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 30th 2021 at 4:48:16 AM

Well, I don't know, I can't write in any entry without asking permission, since I found the script for the fourth movie it might make a lot of sense about Timber, Gloriosa and that implies the Human 6.

You can write most entries on the wiki without asking permission. I just don't really know what kind of entry you even want to write here.

Any of the entries like Headscratcher or trivia etc; but I don't know if I will.

Edited by Ashley-Alejo on Jan 30th 2021 at 6:35:57 AM

How is this proposed entry for "Hard to Say Anything"?

• Jossed: A common fanon is that Polyamory was an accepted thing in Equestria due to the high female to male ratio. This episode seems to refute that given Big Macintosh and Feather Bangs are competing for Sugar Belle's affection and Sweetie Belle's "is it possible to have two crushes at once?" being treated as non-serious or viable.

Writer Conflicts with Canon:

• Meghan McCarthy once stated that "Twilight will not outlive her friends." This is contradicted in the Grand Finale where Twilight has grown to the same stature as Celestia and appears to have become The Ageless while her friends have visibly aged.

Is it an examples if she isn't outright shown to outlive her friends?

Also, it's stated that G5 will be set in the future of the same continuity, so maybe it should wait until we see how/if it addresses that?

A proposed entry for Discontinuity.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:

• Season 5's "Tanks for the Memories" plot requires it be the first winter since Season 2's "May the Best Pet Win" as Rainbow Dash was unaware of Tank's need to hibernate. Many fans, believing each season correspond with an in-universe year, rejected this considering it too implausible or diminishing that 3 seasons took place over less than a year. Rainbow Dash's controversial actions and lack of consequences didn't help.

I question if enough fans still feel strongly enough about this to count as it doesn't seem to have the level of backlash, or at least it's died out, that other controversial installments have.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 14th 2021 at 2:37:50 AM

Good question. I think this is a case where what the authors say just doesn't mesh well with what they show in-universe.

Not meaning to be annoying, but no one really answered my question. Is Flurry Heart's freakout in "A Flurry of Emotions" a neurosis, or just Lost Toy Grievance? I always thought it was the latter.

It's a Lost Toy Grievance.

Firstly, making a mental diagnosis off of one isolated incident is dodgy at best.

Secondly, a pre-toddler infant throwing a tantrum over a missing toy is not unusual by any means, and calling it a sign of neurosis is ridiculous.

Thirdly, "neurosis" isn't a recognized term or diagnosis in modern psychiatry anyway.

Honestly, since her "neuroses" are the whole meat of the example, I'd just cut it altogether.

No, they're not neuroses. It's just a baby crying, exaggerated for comic effect.

After seeing a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist example removed I question this example:

• Starlight Glimmer from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. In "The Cutie Map – Part 1" and "Part 2", she rules over a town where she collects the villagers' Cutie Marks, which removes their individual special talents — sometimes taking them forcefully, then brainwashing the ponies into accepting their place in her kid-friendly Harrison Bergeron cult. Ostensibly, Starlight does this because she believes true friendship can only come through perfect equality, which in turn is only possible when everyone is equally (in)competent. But she retains her own considerable talent for magic, suggesting that she's really more interested in power than in equality. When called out on this hypocrisy, Starlight claims that it was necessary, because her own magic is needed to equalize everyone else. It's debatable whether she actually believes this, or is just covering her ass. And then Starlight reveals her past in "The Cutie Re-Mark – Part 2'': she was heartbroken when her childhood friend, Sunburst, earned his Cutie Mark and moved away to pursue his special talent in magic, leaving Starlight behind as a result. Because of that, she blamed Cutie Marks for what happened between her and Sunburst and became a cult leader just to ensure that any other friends she made would never be taken away by their Cutie Marks and leave her behind again. She possibly straddles the line between this trope and Well-Intentioned Extremist, depending on how much she believes her own lies — a point the show is ambiguous about.

I'm fairly sure she was supposed to genuinely well-intentioned, the issues being weak writing as opposed to intent, for the following:

• She's genuinely remorseful and becomes The Atoner after seeing the consequences of her actions and learning a better way. A NSWIE would be too selfish to ever accept such.
• "Re-Mark" shows Starlight sincerely believed her rhetoric.
• She's Easily Forgiven by said village which wouldn't have happened if she were meant to be as unsympathetic as NSWID is meant to imply.
• "She possibly straddles the line" sounds like Weasel Words.

This sounds more like Secretly Selfish which I believe is different from NSWIE in that the character is still presented sympathetically.

My impression is that if they're capable of regretting their actions if seeing they're more harmful than good, that's the difference between genuinely well-intention and no-so.

Thoughts?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 21st 2021 at 4:24:12 AM

I think the thing to remember is that Starlight was rewritten to some extent between her first and second appearances, and given a Freudian Excuse that was not present in her original episode.