has made a decision that all articles in the Let's Play namespace (list of pages in that namespace) should be moved to other namespaces.
Since let's plays are usually video-based, the target namespace is usually WebVideo/. However, some are text-based, and the consensus was to handle the namspacing of those on a case-by-case basis, with Blog/, Fanfic/, and Literature/ brought up as potential targets.
Before any given article is transplanted, we should confirm that it meets the standards for being a TV Tropes work article. Note that these often serve as hybrid articles for their creators in much the same way as the Music namespace. If there is insufficient content, the articles end up becoming about the creators, violating our "no troping real people" policy.
The crucial question is whether the article has any tropable, creative content. This means that it's more than just "Alisha plays games and makes faces." What counts as tropable, creative content? Here are some examples.
- Creating a fictional/roleplaying narrative that is distinct from the game being played or the real person doing the LP.
- Using the game as a medium to craft original content: songs, videos, machinima, and so on.
- "MST'ing" or creatively riffing on the game's content, as long as it's sufficiently transformative.
What are not criteria for a tropable Let's Play by themselves?
- Adopting a quirky personality, cracking jokes, making funny faces, or overreacting to jump scares.
- Cosplaying, playing with toys, unboxing merchandise, etc.
- Having a "gimmick" that makes them stand out, such as a repeated Catchphrase, eating loudly on microphone, or calling their viewers "Doggo fam".
- Playing games in a particular way (speedrunning, evil runs, no-kill runs, etc.) that fall within what it is possible to do in the game itself, with or without mods.
- Modding the game.
- Being very popular.
- Having lots of memes arise in their fandom.
Note that the same general principles apply to any Web Video creator, especially those whose main work is in news, reviews, vlogging, and/or reaction videos.
There are a few outliers that will need to be handled on a case-by-case basis.
- After-Action Report: I would move it to literature, although it could be considered fanfic.
- Liveblogs, which are probably not tropable.
Web Video cleanup sandbox
This project has several purposes related to all things Web Video:
- Cleaning up the WebVideo index
- Cleaning up the WebVideo/ namespace to move pages that belong elsewhere
- Cleaning up individual Web Video pages that have massive issues
Overview
The easy-seeming part when I started on Web Video (the index) was just removing things not even located in the namespace— found in Creator, Film, Web Animation, etc. Then I started noticing there were many things put in Web Video (the namespace) that were basically Creator pages, lots of Let's Play, other video game streaming that doesn't currently have an index, other misuses in index and/or namespace placement...
- original live action, meaning not animated or reusing existing footage;
- narrative/creative, a bit unclear, but it's not someone simply reviewing another work/reacting to other works/playing through another work;
- a work, which is... a work, not a creator.
) is much more broad:
"Live-action videos and video-based Lets Plays originally or only released online. Covers both YouTube videos and web-exclusive series, but does not include those that belong in the WebAnimation/ namespace. For big-budget series exclusive to streaming services such as Netflix, use Series/ or the appropriate animation namespace instead." — Not limited to original or live action footage, narrative works, etc. However, people have mistakenly created Web Animation pages in this namespace, made what are essentially creator pages, typed it as "Webvideo", etc.
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Reaction channels tend to straddle a line here, but are not generally tropable unless they create some sort of distinct creative endeavor rather than stare at a video and laugh a bit. Also it helps if they are reacting to fiction, not to real life. The latter may be entertaining but falls into the same general category as gossip. We can trope these only for their use of production and artistic tropes, not for their topics.
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No Analysis Channel index— corrected! - No index for non-Let's Play video game streaming unless they're on Twitch. If they don't fall into the Let's Play format and aren't on Twitch, where do they go?
- No
Gag Dub orGag Sub index - Where should we put channels based on prank calls, scam-baiting, other audio-based things where the video is incidental?
Pages identified for cleanup:
- A Dose of Buckley — see this ATT for more info
- The Mysterious Mr. Enter and subpages — issues include troping the creator and not the works
- The Nostalgia Critic and subpages — see this project thread
- Smosh and subpages — Smosh is a channel, and the pages have multiple works (may need a hard split)
- Thomas Sanders — Creator, lots of biographical details, previously hard split for Sanders Sides but may need another
See also:
- Cleanup: Review/Let's Play YMMV Tropes
- TLP: Actual Play genre/index
Just the index cleanup itself is a considerable project, figuring out what stays and what needs a different index, but there are also many pages with significant issues to clean. This is a very big project, but I've seen other people notice these issues, too. I hope we can at least get the index under control.
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For clarity and re: review stuff. Continue to edit as things occur that are useful to keep at the top of the thread.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2023 at 9:02:00 AM
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He started off on ScrewAttack and I used to see him around there. It's either the real person, or he was entirely in-character long before he started making videos.
The Awesome and Heartwarming pages for Rooster Teeth look like they mostly consist of real life moments. Added to that, I do not believe we can make these for creator pages?
(he/any)
I would cut tbh
(he/any)
Should we merge what's left of CharacterSheets.Lets Play once we've cut non-tropable stuff into CharacterSheets.Web Video? (Or whatever the appropriate namespace is for the work)
I see some pages on the latter already that would have been Lets Play in the past, can I go ahead and move the pages we've already moved to Web Video to that index?
Edited by Serilly on Dec 4th 2023 at 8:15:18 AM
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(he/any)
~Decaf Grub 47393 — The Let's Play namespace is deprecated, please do not create new pages in it. This doesn't look like a tropable work to me — please read Real Life Troping and Notability, Verifiability, Tropability.
Edited by Serilly on Dec 8th 2023 at 11:42:07 AM
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I think I'm going to send the heartwarming page for Paw Dugan to the cutlist. I came across it the other day and it looks to mostly consist of real life moments only.
There's also the awesome and heartwarming pages for Vampire Reviews. I have cleaned both pages of moments that are from the creator's personal life as opposed to something that can be troped in universe and they are now stubs. I think I'll send them to the cutlist as well?
Edited by Atlantis1930 on Dec 17th 2023 at 5:24:36 PM
Final bump for my question on whether to make Creator.Monster Island Buddies or WebVideo.MIB from this post.
He/Him
Just gonna ask again, should WebVideo.Patricia Taxxon be in Web Video/ or Music/? Or should she just have her page hard split between her music and her videos?
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
the Retromancer
Is InTheLittleWood tropable? Examples describe reactions while playing and one example is about his face.
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(he/any)
^ Yogscast in general is a giant work in progress cleanup but I'd say most of what's tropable about him applies to Yogscast series or SMP series and shouldn't be on an individual page anyways. Though I have been told that his VTuber lore might be tropable, but that's not what the page is currently about.
That being said, I don't know much about him personally.
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Biggest ZeroLenny Stan
So I was told to drop this problem here, therefore I'll put this issue here as well for your consideration:
Original Post:
- So I saw this purely from a crosswick from Alternate History Hub, but we really do not need a page for Whatifalthist. It's not primarily an Alternate History channel as the name suggests, but instead a soapbox for its creator to spout batshit unresearched theories and overgeneralized statements about why the West is falling because of the Left or whatever. If you look at the page's trope list, not only is it pretty short but it's also clearly just Real Life Troping of a bunch of the channel's creator's opinions, so even if it weren't a poorly-researched pseudohistory channel it still wouldn't qualify as being tropeworthy.
With the help of a few other people we were able to determine that there's only three legit tropes on the page, and the rest are just the creator's political opinions phrased as tropes. I suggested cutting it as the channel isn't really tropeworthy in its modern form anyway, and it has the potential to have ROCEJ violations weaselled onto it by fans of the channel (For perspective, its official subreddit was recently banned for being full of extremely far-right talking points). Any suggestions on how to proceed?
It's not about the gold; it's about the glory.
Am I a weirdo?
If there's not any tropeworthy content, then we can cut it for not having any tropeworthy content. The page does just seem to be troping opinions.
Speaking of troping opinions and lacking tropeworthy content, I'd like to bring up Not Just Bikes, which I only recently discovered has a page here. Now, Not Just Bikes is a video essay channel about transit, urban design, and how car-centric design damages cities and makes life worse for the people living in them. It strictly presents facts and opinions with no real narrative, no real "roleplayed host character" or anything like that. And while in this case, I happen to agree with most of the opinions being expressed, that doesn't change the fact that the page is once again simply troping the creator's opinions.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Yeah, that doesn't seem to have any creativity behind it.
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Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Not Just Bikes is an easy cut.
He/Him
Cut the Bikes channel
It's just someone saying up their opinions on transportation
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 18th 2024 at 10:05:16 PM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Is The 8-Bit Guy tropeworthy? I just did a quick skim through the page and most of it appear to be real-life troping. It appears his channel is just a standard technology repair/explore channel.
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Angry babby
I was going to redirect Creator.Lucas Cruikshank to WebVideo.Lucas, the page for his personal channel, but now I'm wondering if the latter would better suffice, since there's also Film.Lucas and a lot of the tropes are ZCE and/or referring to Lucas as a person rather than his sketch content (I believe the bulk of his work is vlogging anyway).
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Is the LetsPlay/ namespace officially deprecated? I thought so, and it’s not on Namespace, but many pages still seem to use it.
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Ok, thanks.
Edited by Lymantria on Mar 2nd 2024 at 8:13:41 PM
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the Retromancer
It's been officially deprecated years ago, hence the first line in the pinned post. There still being pages simply means there's not enough effort in moving them.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 2nd 2024 at 11:10:49 PM
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The Draftsman of Doom
Where should we move LetsPlay.The Hohenzollern Empire?
It's an After-Action Report. Should we move it to the Fanfic namespace?
Wrong thread.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 10th 2024 at 10:43:44 AM
Rawr.
See this sandbox.
Friends forevermore
Official Jaguar Gator doesn't seem salvageable; it's just a guy talking about sports, and there's no attempt at a narrative beyond statements of fact and occasional unintended fiction.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
hiding a clown costume under my lab coat
^×14 and ^×15: InTheLittleWood's greater V-tuber lore is tropable in that it's spread out across multiple in-game series and is clearly distinct from him in real life (e.g. his character, for one, is ~22 while him IRL is in his 30s). CANNOT be put under Web Animation because a lot of the series takes place in Minecraft, so Web Video would be the best option IMHO.
I've helped comment out at least some of his main examples that felt like real-life troping and added some greater V-tuber lore tropes in a new section on the page, but it's still a long-term WIP. (I'm still yet to watch some of the V-tuber lore VODs and one of the involved series. I might have more time this summer.)
I don't watch his older content, so I'm not sure how many of the original examples on his page can stay and how many should go; I just know that I can make the V-tuber lore work at some point. Tropes he displays in individual series go in those pages, while unifying character tropes across the series are on this page.
P.S. I moved all of George Not Found's wicks to the Web Video namespace, so the Let's Play page should be ready to cut.
Edited by AquaEclipse on Apr 14th 2024 at 4:01:21 PM
they/she; editor of Minecraft SMPs; I no longer fear God because I know their eyes are on me
hiding a clown costume under my lab coat
Update: I've moved almost all of Dream's wicks to the Web Video namespace, minus GIFT Wicks because it's a locked page (so I'm not sure what to do about that).
they/she; editor of Minecraft SMPs; I no longer fear God because I know their eyes are on me