Death Battle cleanup

We have to acknowledge that neither Wiz nor Boomstick even pretended that this version of Aquaman stood a chance. Boomstick even called an outright execution.

The fight intro would work well as a page quote for the Death Battle Curb Stomp page.

Yeah, and Advantages and Disadvantages section could work as a page image if there will be one ofc.

I agree with what thok said: Given they don't even try to hide it, the fight intro would definitely work as a page quote.

So what’s keeping the page from being updated?

I don't think we should give the page a quote or image, to avoid spoilers. While CurbStompBattle.Death Battle is Spoilers Off, that rule only applies to the examples themselves; anything above the examples, including the page quote and image, still have to avoid spoilers.

My version of the writeup:

• "SpongeBob VS Superfriends Aquaman" ended up being among the most one-sided in the show's history. SpongeBob's Toon Physics make him an extremely powerful Reality Warper, capable of annihilating the entire universe in seconds by pulling on a string. Said feat was calculated as making him 8.2 quinvigintillion^note That's 8.2 x 10⁷⁸ times faster than light, one of the fastest speeds in the history of Death Battle (surpassed only by characters with literally infinite speed). His ludicrous Super-Toughness and Healing Factor would also let him easily No-Sell or recover from any attack Aquaman could throw at him—and that's before taking into account that being a sponge, SpongeBob is capable of absorbing any of Aquaman's water-based attacks. Throw in not one, but two Imagination-Based Superpowers in his bubbles and magic pencil, and there's little that SpongeBob can't do—or that Aquaman can. At no point in the episode do the hosts even try to hide how screwed Aquaman is in this fight, with Boomstick replacing the pre-fight Title Scream with "It's time for Aquaman's funeral!", Wiz poking fun at his tendency to call matches "extremely close", and the post-fight analysis giving Aquaman the "moral victory?" as his sole advantage and "everything else lmao" as his disadvantages.

This is as accurate as it should be, so...

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Say, should we add in the two proposed matchups for Genos in the Curb-Stomp Battle section?

Both Android 17 and Cyborg were considered for Genos' possible opponents before they went with War Machine (due to him being the most "fair" matchup for him.)

I doubt it, do we add in non considered matchups? I don't think we added Raven vs Jean Grey as a matchup because it wasn't an actual episode.

Seeing as we have them for Naruto vs Ichigo, Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, it's only natural. Ben even said that that Android 17 and Cyborg were considered for Genos.

I think it might make more sense to drop these examples than to add another one. Since it's not actually in the show, the only place it belongs is the trivia page.

I have a suggestion for a brief edit for Omni-Man vs. Homelander as well as SpongeBob vs. Aquaman, if you're wanting to include it:

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• The matchup between Omni-Man and Homelander was another valid contender for "most lopsided", as while Homelander's Make Me Wanna Shout power gave him a slight edge, it was the only thing that could let him get a hit in, as Nolan outclassed him in every way imaginable with a Healing Factor to boot. And even then, his sonic scream could only act as a minor distraction while none of his other powers were strong enough to deliver a killing blow. Not to mention the fact that he was just a Psychopathic Manchild with a planet-sized ego, while Omni-Man had a millennium of experience destroying actual planets. It's also one of the very few curb-stomps to avert Curb Stomp Cushion in the animation proper, as Omni-Man ends the fight in two and a half minutes, and only let it go on for that long just to toy with him and shatter his pride. The moment Homelander threatens the life of his son, he wastes no time going for the kill and shows he could've ended the fight in seconds if he really wanted to.
• Despite both being nautical Joke Characters, only one of them proved to be lethal in SpongeBob Squarepants VS SuperFriends Aquaman. Thanks to his Toon Physics, SpongeBob utterly eclipsed Aquaman's greatest feats in strength and speed when he once unraveled the entire universe like a string, was nigh-unkillable by almost all means, absorbed all water which rendered Aquaman's water control useless, had a massive arsenal boosted further by Imagination-Based Superpower, and could even rewrite his plot. While the fight animation clearly gave Aquaman the dignity of a much better-fought match than anyone would predict, the writing was nowhere near as subtle; Super Friends Aquaman bemoans in the fight that he was the lamest version of himself throughout the multiverse, and even the hosts and analysis didn't even bother to hide the power discrepancy, with Wiz and Boomstick uncharacteristically deeming Aquaman a lost cause and declaring the whole fight a Foregone Conclusion (a dishonor only shared with Michaelangelo and Mega Man Volnutt). It's driven home even further when Aquaman's only advantage in the post-mortem was "Won the moral victory?", with his disadvantages being "Everything else".

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Requesting these changes because even though the writing is completely unsubtle that Aquaman had zero chance in hell, the fight itself is much more even as a wholesale with Aquaman managing to throw SpongeBob to the other side of the universe and command all the oceans of Earth in a Death or Glory Attack - one that didn't work, but he put a hell of a better fight compared to Omni-Man vs. Homelander, which was a case of the writers trying to obfuscate the sheer power difference there where the animation hasn't even bothered.

Edited by LordTwibill on Oct 23rd 2022 at 7:26:25 AM

I have been noticing that lately, it seems like once someone gets approval that a matchup is a stomp, they immediately submit their version of the example to the Locked Pages thread, while ignoring the discussion that others may be having about what the example should actually look like.

We were still discussing the SpongeBob VS Aquaman example, and if I remember correctly, I think we were still discussing Omni-Man VS Homelander when it was added to the page.

So I think the above suggestions are improvements, but it may be worth making more drastic rewrites to the examples. I especially see some awkward wordings in the OM vs. HL example.

I feel like I got a few entries that could go into the Harsher in Hindsight section.

• In Season 8, a major part of Saitama VS Popeye's animation is Saitama finally finding joy as he has found an opponent that can give him a true fight, as their battle manages to shake planets and the whole solar system. Come One-Punch Man and the manga adaptation of Saitama's final fight with Garou where the battle is taken to galactic proportions with planets being shaken and Saitama being given the biggest fight of his life so far... He's nowhere near happy due to Garou having killed Genos prior to their battle.
• In the post-battle animation of Dante VS Bayonetta, Bayonetta's soul is seen being dragged down into Inferno, a fate that meets all Umbra Witches who die or fail to meet their contract with Inferno. In Bayonetta 3, Bayonetta meets this end as her Umbral Watch (The object that manifests her contract) is destroyed in the Final Battle, as she's slain shortly after with her soul then being taken to Inferno, though she does at least find peace in her death thanks to circumstances in the finale.

Edited by Blade84 on Oct 30th 2022 at 3:01:22 AM

Regarding Jason VS Michael battle: all arguments considered, would it count as a stomp or not?

In addition, I think that a scene of Sam (actually Buggsy from Friday the 13th game) running after being struck with an axe can be added to Memetic Mutation section or straight up Narm due to how janky his running animation is.

Jason VS Michael is probably not a stomp, the analysis said that they were dead even in nearly every category, with Jason only getting a Victory by Endurance in the end thanks to his superior durability.

> So I think the above suggestions are improvements, but it may be worth making more drastic rewrites to the examples. I especially see some awkward wordings in the OM vs. HL example.

Any suggestions? How would you word it?

I need to know why were both vegeta vs thor and Hercules vs Sun Wukong not curb stomps. The losers had no advantages in a slight bit. They had no advantage and disadvantages screen, implying a total curb stomp for the winner.

Vegeta could only match up to thor in strength and that’s already a stretch to begin with. There’s nothing else in vegeta’s arsenal that could even remotely do anything to thor.

Hercules had only one way of winning which are the hydra arrows and that’s only if he was fast enough to shoot sun down in the first place. He had nothing else that can put down sun.

"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."

Thor vs Vegeta at least has a writeup entry that is yet to be posted, but yes, I do think we need to re-evaluate Hercules VS Sun Wukong.

Hoo been awhile

I'll get on those two writups soon actually, that sounds like fun. I'll also submit the edits to the suggested 2 above if everyone's alright with that

Also submitting that Black Adam writeup, that was the stompiest nonsense I've seen in awhile

Rewrite for Omni-Man VS Homelander taking the suggestions into account. Maybe I'll do SpongeBob VS Aquaman later if no one else gets to it.

• The matchup between Omni-Man and Homelander is another valid contender for "most lopsided". Omni-Man held nearly every advantage, and by a large amount too, with his strength, speed, and durability being several leagues above Homelander. The closest thing to an advantage Homelander had was his sonic scream, but even that could only knock Omni-Man off balance for a few seconds, and due to Omni-Man having ridiculous Super-Toughness combined with a Healing Factor, he would not be able to capitalize on this opening for a killing blow. Omni-Man has also been a warrior for a millennium, during which he's conquered or destroyed countless planets, while Homelander is nothing but a Psychopathic Manchild with little experience fighting opponents in his weight class, making Nolan both Strong and Skilled compared to his opponent. The animation for the episode notably averts Curb Stomp Cushion, as Omni-Man was clearly just toying with Homelander to shatter his pride, and he ends the fight as soon as Homelander threatens his son, showing that he could have won in seconds if he wanted to.

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The reason why I don't consider Wukong VS Hercules to be a stomp is because both fighters were described as having literal infinite strength. Infinity means that both fighters would theoretically be able to accomplish any feat of strength imaginable. In other words, it opens up way too many possibilities to say that Herc is truly helpless here. Maybe he could punch so hard that it creates a black hole that sucks up all of Wukong's clones, or make an AoE shockwave that stuns him long enough to get a shot in with his Hydra arrows. Who knows, it's literal infinity.

That is a fair point actually

True but if that's the only thing that Herc could match up with he is still fucked in every absolute other way possible. Yeah sure you can punch as hard as your opponent but when your opponent is so fast you can never land your hits, it doesn't matter. Just ask Quicksilver how that went for him.

"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."

Ok so the following are getting added by me soon, assuming everyone's down:

• Thor VS Vegeta was a duel between that determined the God of Thunder as the much greater warrior. While the animation appeared close with Vegeta getting a good few combos in, the post-fight analysis showed that it was anything but. Thor's millennia of combat experience trumped Vegeta's decades of experience. While Vegeta could destroy a universe around 260000 times over, Thor could output ten times that. Stamina-wise, Vegeta got tired out after an hour of fighting in the Tournament of Power, but Thor fought for over 40 days without breaking a sweat. Thor was determined to be over 70 quadrillion times faster, allowing him to avoid the Saiyan's Ki attacks or simply absorb them via Energy Absorption, which also meant that Vegeta's Spirit Fission would be ineffective as Thor could literally will his power back. Even Vegeta's ace-in-the-hole, the Hakai, was useless against Thor, who survived existence erasure on physical, spiritual and even temporal levels. Meanwhile, Thor's God-Blast was capable of threatening Galactus, an entity who could threaten the infinite multiverse, which put Thor far above not only Vegeta, but everything else from Dragon Ball Super. The results noted that if Thor had the Thorforce, he'd scale to multiversal-level feats and make it even more of a curbstomp.

• The matchup between Omni-Man and Homelander is a contender for "Most Lopsided Matchup", as while Homelander's Make Me Wanna Shout power gave him a slight edge, it was the only thing he had that could do anything, as Nolan outclassed him in every way imaginable... and even then, his sonic scream could only act as a minor distraction. Homelander was just a Psychopathic Manchild with a planet-sized ego, while Omni-Man had a millennium of experience destroying actual planets. It's also one of the very few curb-stomps to avert Curb Stomp Cushion in the animation proper, as Omni-Man ends the fight in two and a half minutes, and only let it go on for that long just to toy with him and shatter his pride. The moment Homelander threatens the life of his son, he wastes no time going for the kill and shows he could've ended the fight in seconds if he really wanted to.

• "Black Adam VS Apocalypse" showed En Sabah Nur easily countering everything Teth-Adam could throw at him. While both fighters were found to be relatively even in terms of base stats, Apocalypse was able to match or nullify nearly all of Black Adam's various other powers while overwhelming him with his own varied abilities. Black Adam's only victory condition was destroying Apocalypse's Death Seed, which he could figure out through the Wisdom of Zehuti, but Apocalypse's powerful telepathy, which is powerful enough to overcome the Courage of Mehen, would alert him to this. Most importantly, Apocalypse's Energy Absorption would let him steal Black Adam's power source, the Living Lightning: the more attacks he absorbed, the weaker Black Adam would get, further increasing the gap between the two. The animation reflects the one-sidedness of this matchup, as Apocalypse either No-Sells or instantly regenerates from every single attack Black Adam throws at him, and he comes out of the duel completely unscathed after literally stomping his opponent's face into the ground.

• Despite both being nautical Joke Characters, only one of them proved to be lethal in SpongeBob Squarepants VS SuperFriends Aquaman. Thanks to his Toon Physics, SpongeBob utterly eclipsed Aquaman's greatest feats in strength and speed when he once unraveled the entire universe like a string, was nigh-unkillable by almost all means, absorbed all water which rendered Aquaman's water control useless, had a massive arsenal boosted further by Imagination-Based Superpower, and could even rewrite his plot. While the fight animation clearly gave Aquaman the dignity of a much better-fought match than anyone would predict, the writing was nowhere near as subtle; Super Friends Aquaman bemoans in the fight that he was the lamest version of himself throughout the multiverse, and even the hosts and analysis didn't even bother to hide the power discrepancy, with Wiz and Boomstick uncharacteristically deeming Aquaman a lost cause and declaring the whole fight a Foregone Conclusion ^note a dishonor only shared with Michaelangelo and Mega Man Volnutt. It's driven home even further when Aquaman's only advantage in the post-mortem was "Won the moral victory?", with his disadvantages being "Everything else".

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Nov 12th 2022 at 10:57:50 AM