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Works for me too. Can't think of anything better.

EDIT: Got bottom-paged

Edited by JHD0919 on Feb 23rd 2024 at 10:35:22 AM

This is Idol Tap. (My Troper Wall)

I'd have no issue with locking the page.

"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him

It feels like a page that only needs changing on request anyway.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

Is How to Create a Disambiguation Page worked on? It's been stuck in "probably good to launch" state for quite a while.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

Doesn't seem like the rules about listing gendered redirects as examples (decided on here: [1] [2]) have been added to any Administrivia pages.

How to Write an Example has "However, it's OK to use gendered redirects to tropes on character pages if the redirect doesn't significantly disrupt with alphabetization." under "Do Not Alter or Pothole the Trope Name" though. Do we need more than that?

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 27th 2024 at 4:19:04 AM

Macron's notes

Maybe clarify that gendered redirects can't be used anywhere else. In addition, I noticed it doesn't say alternate spellings are acceptable everywhere (particularly when it comes to American and Commonwealth Spellings).

Edit: Went ahead and changed that bullet point to this (Edit: Bolded the changes I made; I didn't change the opening text, but left its own bold formatting intact):

Here's the previous text:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 28th 2024 at 5:33:08 AM

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The new Troping Works Created in Other Languages page should be added to the main Administrivia list.

Presumably it goes under Manual of Style, but do we put it in "Do"s (which has things like character page guidance), or "General Guides"?

Any preference?

That poses an obvious question, why other pages at Locked Pages include "The" in alphabetization?

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I'm not sure; it was already like that. But either way, it was decided to replace the list with a note saying all Administrivia/ pages but a handful of exceptions are locked.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

I noticed that Administrivia.Locked Pages didn't mention that engineers are able to edit locked pages, so I added a new sentence mentioning that (new sentence in bold):

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

The crowner for the new guidelines and requirements for Character-Specific Pages has been called and the next step is organizing and fine-tune exact phrasing describing it is the next step.

Using the upvoted options on the crowner and how these "optional guidelines" are now requirements, we'd probably to change the phrase

Here are some qualifiers for what warrants a unique page (meeting at least two is recommended):

to

Before a Character-Specific Page can be launched, several criteria must be met first

Then replace these loose guidelines with no steps nor are required:

With these requirements with a set order.

1. A new Character-Specific Page will only be considered if the original page is close to 250,000 characters in length.
2. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups. A CSP can only be created if this option isn't workable.
3. The character folder must be cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples, removing outdated/misused tropes, and making sure all tropes listed fall under Characters and its related indexes.
4. The potential CSP's character folder must have at least 40,000 characters.
5. The parent page that the potential CSP came from must still have at least 40,000 characters after the CSP is launched.

How does that sound? Any refinements or improvements in phrasing I should add?

Edit 1: Yeah, parent page works better thanks.
Edit 2: Got it

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Mar 4th 2024 at 11:00:11 PM

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• The parent folder that the potential CSP came from

Don't you mean parent page?

Otherwise from me.

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I don't remember if I've posted it as I can't find it, but anyway

Suggestion for Crosswicking and maybe How to Write an Example:

• Characters/ pages are for grouping Characters and related tropes when the main page is long enough. See How to Create a Character Page. Similarly, Recap/ pages are for story examples that are not relevant beyond a single episode/chapter. When in doubt, add examples to the work's main list. Example lists at Characters/ and Recap/ subpages are considered extensions of the example list on the work page, so avoid example duplication; if an example is (correctly) present on a subpage, remove it from the work page and vice versa.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

I think @AudioSpeaks2 you've captured all of the key points really well, and I think in this case, it's better having the rules laid out in a very concise manner like this — less room for error/misuse. Thumbs up from me

Edited by lexii on Mar 4th 2024 at 10:03:58 AM

The only slight change i would suggest is #4 from

to

just to make it more similar style-wise to the other requirements. But looks good otherwise!

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I don't see any reference to Character-Specific Pages on How to Create a Character Page, so we should probably add something there, too.

Good plan - maybe in the FAQ? "Under what circumstances can a CSP be created for a character?" Then we list the new policy steps. Something like that?

Edited by lexii on Mar 4th 2024 at 7:33:05 PM

Alright, I've added the two suggested revisions to my proposed phrasing of the new requirements. Are we good to put it on Character-Specific Pages via the locked pages?

No other errors to be found? It's not ambiguous is it?

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Alright, no objections so I'll just go through with it.

Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project

I made a post in ATT about this — basically, how strict should Crosswicking be with regards to examples? The page, as written right now, focuses entirely on the technical aspects of why it should be done (to ensure a usable website). I interpret this as meaning that the most important thing is that each page links to the other, with examples that are shown on both pages get picked for salience. When I asked about it, though, people claimed that the rule is that the number of examples should be mirrored as closely as possible, something that the text of the article doesn't seem to go into at all. For instance, if a work page has three examples for The Empire, then The Empire's corresponding work entry should have those three examples as well.

I would argue that a strict interpretation of crosswicking where all entries should be duplicated is inflexible and impractical. In practice, work pages tend to accumulate a lot of very specific or spoiler-y trope examples that are generally not of great interest to someone reading a trope page. The important thing seems to be that the two pages are reasonably harmonized.

I'm not actually looking to push my point of view as correct here — I just think the page needs to be clearer on what is and isn't crosswicking.

This happened because Tim had made a mistake.

I mean, the reason it's not clear is because it's not actually a rule to mirror them. People prefer to, but we don't really require it. Crosswicking is quite literally just making sure the pages wick to each-other; the example text isn't the important part.

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Perhaps some clarification should be added to the text, then, because everyone who's replied to me so far has given different, incompatible answers.

This happened because Tim had made a mistake.