What Do You Mean, It Needs Fixing? (Cleanup thread for pages on the What Do You Mean, It’s Not An Index? index)

I am quite surprised that no one has made a thread like this. Because these are audience reactions, they are very prone to misuse. This thread intends to wipe out this misuse.

Please post examples that you think need cutting or revising. Courtesy links to the tropes in this index are provided below:

Esoteric Happy Ending

Faux Symbolism

What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?

What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic?

What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?

What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?

What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?

What Do You Mean, It's Not for Little Girls?

To start it all off, I removed two examples from the Music subpage of What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?:

• Silverstein’s poetry ranges from “okay for children” to “okay for children” to “children probably won’t get most of this” to “don’t let children read this, period”.
  • Reason for removal: Wrong subpage. Poetry is a different medium from music.

• Music/[1] My daughter (who is 8) loves this 60’s/70’s Brazilian band, especially the track “Dia 36”. I don’t have the heart to tell her what the lyrics are about when translated from Portuguese [[note]] sexual torture, specifically the practice of the Brazilian military regime of damaging a captives sexual organs, then forcing them to have sex with it.

  • Reason for removal: Improperly formatted, and it violates the “don’t project yourself into an entry” rule.

In addition to this, I fixed up the Ronal the Barbarian entry on the Films (Animated) subsection of the same trope.

Edited by TalesofUnder on Jun 20th 2019 at 6:20:37 PM

This example from WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids.Video Games seems suspect:

• Shin Megami Tensei: a RPG with pixies and Jack Frosts... where the USA fall under the control of a fanatic Christian cult ruled by supernatural beings which uses the US nuclear arsenal to rebuild civilization around a fascist theocracy, and God really approves of what they are doing—and he's still the closest thing to a good guy in the story. There's a reason this is a game where the Omnicidal Neutral path is generally agreed on as the most moral.)

"Some of the monsters are cute" doesn't seem like enough of a reason to add something to this trope, especially since they're not shown on the box, so it's not like a parent could just see Jack Frost, and think "this game should be great for my child".

Literature

• Lord of the Flies is an adventure story about boys on a desert island, right? The book has been included in some children's reading programs, notably ones that were created by and for people who speak English as a second language and were perhaps not familiar with the novel's impact in the English-speaking world.
• Fairy tales in general fall victim to this trope, most of the time. Some versions of "Little Red Riding Hood" involve the main character giving a strip-tease to the wolf to distract him long enough to escape. The ever so infamous story of The Red Shoes involves a girl cursed to dance by her shoes, until she gets an executioner to chop her feet off! This trope is Older Than Feudalism, at the very least (of course, that is if you compare our standards with the stories of those times. Back in those days, these stories were to Scare 'Em Straight).
  • In one version of "Little Red Riding Hood", the wolf tries to get her into bed so he can "devour" her. Variations include him having her strip before getting into bed and tying a rope to her when she tries to get out (under the pretense that she needs to defecate).
  • "Sun, Moon, and Talia", a 17th century fairy tale of the "Sleeping Beauty" type, starts off like the commonly known "Sleeping Beauty". After the princess enters her slumber, however, instead of a simple kiss, the Prince decides to rape her. She becomes pregnant and gives birth while still comatose. She is reawakened when one of her children sucks the magic splinter out of her finger. She then decides that she is madly in love with the Prince. So, after executing the Prince's wife (after the wife tried to burn Talia alive and feed the two children to the Prince), they live happily ever after.

Isn't Lord of the Flies Middle Grade Literature? I'm uncertain on the fairy-tales examples as well. Values Dissonance and Family-Unfriendly Violence could be at work.

WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids.Film, just by glancing at it, has a lot of questionable examples, including Frozen and The LEGO Movie, and Paddington is listed as an aversion.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 25th 2019 at 1:22:12 AM

I think fairy tales do qualify since they were supposed to be lessons for children, but they're also an example of Values Dissonance.

^ But it's under What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.

For the example about the Ninja LEGO Movie: Put it into Parental Bonus, because jokes about cultural appropriation aren't something that the children would understand.

Oh, I thought it was under What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?. Yeah, it sounds like someone got the tropes confused.

What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? have been confused with each other ever since I came to TV Tropes eight years ago. At some point a rename should probably be considered.

The Book of the Dun Cow in the opening potholes to What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, and then the very next paragraph opens with a sentence potholing to What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?

Dun Cow is written for children, so it is for kids. Good job taking out all of those pot holes.

Edited by VerySunshine on Aug 3rd 2019 at 2:12:25 AM

I was browsing What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?.Film and saw this entry.

" My Little Pony: The Movie (2017): Between the multiple examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar, a Downer Beginning with scary petrification, an Implied Death Threat, a Not-So-Safe Harbor where the heroes were almost Made a Slave, a depressing sequence of Canterlot's population enslaved, drowning, a severe Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure, a severe Disney Death (almost on par with Disney itself), and a Family-Unfriendly Disney Villain Death, it's easy for parents to wonder if this movie is appropriate for young children."

I seem to remember there was some discussion about it on the movie's YMMV page and ultimately deciding it didn't count (it wasn't any different from something that might happen in-show and seems overdone/gushy) so is it okay to delete it from the page as well?

Yes. It either goes on both pages or neither unless Example Sectionectomy or Flame Bait is in effect here.

I found Frozen under Film's What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? subpage. I really don't think it's actually an example. Anyone else agree?

Agreed.

Frozen is uh tame Tbh. Not really sure it needs to be on that page

Yeah, apparently What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? has lots of kids' movies that don't seem to be really age-inappropriate. Probably only add in ones which have received such reception from critics and general public alike.

From WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids.Video Games

• Sonic Forces has Eggman taking over 99% of the world, Scenery Gorn, a merciless villain, Sonic mentioned to have been tortured for 6 months^note this is only mentioned in the English version of the game, the Japanese version mentions no such things, and a few innocent cartoon Funny Animals getting killed on-screen briefly in one cutscene and many more being Killed Offscreen... (They get better.)

Not really a good reason to list it there. The bad guy taking over the world and the good guys taking the world back isn't a child-unfriendly premise the way it's handled here, the Scenery Gorn is confined to a few levels, the villain is actually very merciful seeing how he let Sonic and the Avatar live after Curb Stomping them, and while we see some people getting blasted by Infinite in one scene, there's no indication that they died. They could just be injured for all a kid playing this game knows. Also there are no direct references to death.

Oof I added that example, because I've seen many people consider Sonic Forces a dark game.

The What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? examples on YMMV.Bloons Tower Defense seem rather flimsy. These games are completely okay for families, with cute, colorful graphics and a lot of different difficulty modes. There's no blood or gore of any kind. The reasons given in the example include two games using swear words and one instance of Symbol Swearing, plus "monstrous" splash art. I can't imagine either of these causing a parent to ban the game.

Cut that then

On Western Animation, I found My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic listed. I really don't think it's actually an example, and the entry itself even says that the show is fine for the most part with some scenes that are exceptions (which is true for many kid's shows)

On YMMV.Ode To Kirihito:

• What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: The more experimental parts of the manga, especially Urabe's hallucinations.

Is this sufficient context?

Far from it. What are the hallucinations like? What other experimental sections exist that could be described as trippy?

Edited by Brainulator9 on Apr 1st 2020 at 12:17:30 PM

Just Shapes & Beats is listed under What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? on both that trope's video game subpage and on the game's YMMV page. I don't really feel like it's an actual example, since both times are only using one scene and my brother has shown me that scene and it's not that bad

Even not having played the game, the example reads like a shoehorn.