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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
Professor Gigachad
WarJay A new slot if open now is your chance to claim it.
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
Thanks for the heads up!
But yeah; I don't really want to see threads sitting here clocking out and collecting dust if the only thing to do is launch a TLP draft that may never actually launch. The commercial example trope is exactly how it should be handled, sans the never-being-cut part; we should just move forward and finish the cleanup and close, regardless of what's going on in TLP.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 13th 2021 at 2:48:30 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think starting drafts should be required if a TRS thread ends up splitting a trope (one TRS thread that did this was the one for Everythings Better With Princesses), and perhaps that would also require keeping the thread open until the drafts are launched.
I don't think keeping the TRS thread open should be required if the draft is replacing something that was cut after the original trope page was cut and dewicked, and as I said before, I think drafts that replace cut tropes should only be made if someone in the TRS thread offers to sponsor it (this has happened, but in the past, a lot of TRS threads voted to send tropes back to TLP without anyone in the thread explicitly offering to sponsor the draft).
Similarly, if a TRS thread votes to launch a trope without anything being done to existing tropes, I don't think the TRS thread should stay open. The 2019 thread for Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped (the one that resulted in the launch in Anvil of the Story) ended up being closed after I pointed out that further discussion could simply take place on TLP.
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I mentioned here that I might do a wick check for Kangaroos Represent Australia. I checked 50 wicks privately, but there were only 8 incorrect examples. The trope seems to have a ZCE problem more than anything, which isn't a TRS-worthy issue. I'll just clean up the misuse.
Would "characters go on vacation to Australia and see kangaroos there" misuse or not?
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 14th 2021 at 1:41:06 PM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Would probably depend on the exact context, but I am thinking it would be correct usage if kangaroos were used similarly to famous landmarks in Eiffel Tower Effect or decade hallmarks in a "Mister Sandman" Sequence (let's insert this Extremely Australian Thing to let the audience know they are Most Definitely In Australia).
Personal aside, I once went to Thailand and rode an elephantnote because my parents were like "it's a national symbol". So if they went to see kangaroos because "we're in Australia, might as well", then I'd say that counts as well.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 14th 2021 at 11:46:05 AM
The trope seems split across three broad concepts:
- An antropomorphic or talking kangaroo is stated as originating from Australia, or is given National Stereotypes and/or an Australian accent
- An Australian character is given kangaroo Animal Motifs
- A character visits Australia, and they see kangaroos among the local wildlife
Lots of coffee
I don't think those concepts are that broad. They still fit the general theme of "kangaroos are visual shorthand for Australia."
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
Yeah, I think it all boils down to the same trope concept, just in different ways.
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
Get yer O Ps ready: Stylistic Suck is on the verge of closing.
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Professor Gigachad
I think I might start a TRS thread for Creepypasta if nobody else claims the spot there are a ton of problems with it and we have already gotten a few ATT queries about this.
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Do we still need a wick check for it when most issues are with on-page organization?
How sweet it is
Someone tried to claim it, but ended up being the first decline in a while.
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
I'm not opposed to discussing Creepypasta here, but I think a project thread might be more suitable.
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How sweet it is
Not a bad idea.
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Professor Gigachad
I realized we don't have many Not Thriving threads so I decided to make one for Day Delay.
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I'm helping!
Dolled-Up Installment isn't Trivia? Huh.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Officially intimidated
I knew it was on the main namespace, but never thought of it fitting better as Trivia until it was pointed out.
EDIT: Wrong word at the start, replaced.
Edited by MyFinalEdits on Jul 16th 2021 at 2:39:16 PM
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I think The Neidermeyer should be renamed; it's one of the few remaining "The X" tropes named after a character that isn't widespread enough to be grandfathered in, and it means nothing unless you're familiar with Animal House. Colonel Kilgore and Sergeant Rock can stay because they're Meaningful Names.
Keet cleanup
Very Spooky
I'm not a fan of The Neidermeyer's name either, but we'll need to provide a definite reason (ex. a wick check shows the name is causing misuse) in order to rename it.
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Veteran Editor IV
It also has 800+ wicks, so people can still probably know what the trope is.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 17th 2021 at 9:01:48 PM
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
It's not always definite though; a lot of usage doesn't mean a lot of correct usage.
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Also, I see that some people want to move Broken Aesop to YMMV, but I worry that would result in tropers adding even more bad examples because people will think "it's YMMV, so if I think the Aesop is broken it must be."
Keet cleanup
Discarded and Feeling Blue
Although it does seem to lack things that make it truly objective, such as an actual intent. It's the audience who decides if something is broken or not, not the narrative itself. In that way I think it's definitely subjective, because there's no way for it to not be. At the core it's about perception. As for the "personal opinion" issue, yeah that's a big problem, but so is a mainspace trope being about a narrative's unintentional hypocrisy.
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I still think renaming it in the process would help. I pitched Informed Aesop before (since the point is that they give an aesop that is not supported by the details of the story) and I still think that is clearer than "broken" which may be interpreted to mean "bad" in any way. I don't think the concept is entirely unsalvagable.
Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:17:13 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Apparently not?
That can always be corrected. Cutlist away.
Edit: Saw it was cutlisted, so processed the cut.
Edited by Berrenta on Jul 13th 2021 at 12:35:21 PM
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