Is this an example?

Does "The Family Madrigal" on VideoExamples.Songs In The Key Of Panic strike anyone else as, not an example actually?

Found this in JackBauerInterrogationTechnique.Live Action TV. Do they qualify?

• Buffy the Vampire Slayer:
  • This is the standard interrogation technique for Buffy. Of course, it's a lot easier to justify when the fate of the world is at stake, and the subjects are frequently demons. Her methods are implied to be especially brutal specifically because the vampires and other nasties are either immortal or extremely difficult to kill.
  • Read the 24 example above? Remember Jack describing the Russians forcing a towel down people's throats so when they drag it up their intestines do as well? In "When She Was Bad", Buffy does this with a cross. Having her torture someone with a piece of metal on a chain sounds bad enough, but the victim is a vampire. Guess what the cross does.
    • However, it should also be noted that Buffy was, at the time, undergoing fairly severe PTSD and this was a sign that she wasn't her normal self.
  • Also, demons aren't known for their loyalty, and therefore tend to crack rather quickly.
  • Rupert Giles deserves a special mention here for two examples in particular: Ethan Rayne in "Halloween", whom he repeatedly kicks in (hopefully) the ribs, and one of Glory's mooks in "Tough Love", whom he convinces to talk in a single joint-crackling off-screen second. This harmless tweet-clad English gentleman used to be nicknamed "Ripper". He may not have Buffy's combat prowess, but do you ever not want to piss him off.
  • Whether as Angel or Angelus, the eponymous character is quite fond of this.

I think it could count, but despite being long as hell, it doesn't have enough context in most of it

First bullet is a general example, second references a separate example but could otherwise be a keep, third and fourth bullets are a justifying edits, and the sixth is "trope is here" zero-context. The fifth bullet with Giles is all right, though maybe could use some expansion.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 15th 2022 at 6:21:05 AM

Also, examples should stand alone. So Buffy referring to a different example for 24 is problematic.

EDIT: As already called out above.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 15th 2022 at 3:09:47 PM

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Dec 15th 2022 at 8:52:38 PM

From Pet-Peeve Trope:

• Extra Credits: Their even-handed video on John W. Campbell discusses the Warts and All concept. On the one hand, it involves a talented writer and editor who almost single-handedly drags the genre into the Golden Age, with his exacting standards for science and writing quality and his desire to make it into something meaningful beyond pulpy escapism or a dry vehicle to educate, who pushed forward the careers of many of the science fiction's greatest early masters. On the other hand, it involves a narrow-minded reactionary, authoritarian bigot, frequently enthralled by pseudoscience, who, by using his influence to limit what could and could not be published, based on his personal visionand private bugbears, puts arbitrary limits on what science fiction was or could be that the next generation of authors would need to outgrow.

I think Warts and All is supposed to be the pet peeve trope here, but this goes all over the place.

Yeah, it doesn't say who is "peeved" by Warts and All being represented here. In fact, it starts out saying the video is "even-handed", so I would say not an example.

I feel that at the very least could use a rewrite since it doesn't explain it well.

Is this scene from Family Guy an example of Crazy-Prepared? Also, this SNL sketch?

Edited by CSS1 on Dec 15th 2022 at 6:57:57 AM

x8 Does the first bullet point need more context?

(x3) I'm unsure about the SNL one, however, I feel the Family Guy vid is an example of Crazy-Prepared; he was prepared for various and unlikely situations (e.g. if he got stabbed to death specifically in a Toys R Us restroom).

The description for Alternate-History Dinosaur Survival briefly mentions "whatever prehistoric creatures the writer is focusing on", but all of the examples are about non-avian dinosaurs. Since Tropes Are Flexible, could Multituberculate Earth (about an alternate history where a group of mammals didn't go extinct 60 million years ago) count as an example?

Edited by NitroIndigo on Dec 15th 2022 at 6:41:25 PM

1)Sorry about that! Do I need to edit it now?

2) In the SNL skit, the journalist apparently wants to go on vacation, so they are having him prerecord clips of things that may happen while he's gone. Apparently they're up to all the ways Gerald Ford (who’s Presidency ended nearly twenty years prior) could die.

3) How does a trope get added/removed from a video? I don’t understand.

Edited by CSS1 on Dec 16th 2022 at 12:18:59 PM

I wrote a Pandering to the Base example about Flandre's big role in Touhou Gouyoku Ibun ~ Sunken Fossil World (back when the page was named something else, so it doesn't show up in the history). Someone deleted it for not being confirmed by Word of God. I'm pretty sure that's not an obstacle to re-adding it, as there's no Word of God requirement anywhere on the Pandering to the Base page (and if there were, shouldn't it be Trivia?), but I want to ask here to be sure.

For context, Flandre is an Ensemble Dark Horse who gets three routes to herself (while the other characters get one) and ends up resolving the incident. I strongly suspect that this was done due to her popularity. The game does have an Unexpected Character theme, but it's still notable that this character in particular got such an important role.

Edited by MathsAngelicVersion on Dec 16th 2022 at 2:01:16 PM

So nobody answered my earlier question: now that Series.The Santa Clauses is getting another season, does it no longer qualify as a Mini Series and should I take it off that index?

On Hades - Zagreus

• O.C. Stand-in: A rare canon example. He's this more-or-less by necessity, as his mythological counterpart has barely any surviving records about him, and the few he does have ended with him reincarnating into Dionysus. As a result, the game's interpretation of him (mainly inspired by the Greek playwright Aeschylus' mention of him as the son of Hades) is an entirely new character who's separate from Dionysus.

Can official works have OC Stand ins, because they did use Zagreus in the game because he was so obscure they could make up pretty much anything for him

I'd say no, Hades is not a fanfic.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 16th 2022 at 5:52:47 PM

Thing is I'm unsure since Zagreus does fit all the criteria for O.C. Stand-in, he's an extremely obscure god from Greek myths that has pretty much nothing about him and the devs have stated they used him as a protagonist since that gave them a lot of room to do what they wanted with him. So is being a fanfic a definite requirement?

"In video games, the canon protagonist is sometimes an OC Stand-in, due to being a Featureless Protagonist, a Heroic Mime, and/or a highly customizable RPG player character."

That doesn't sound much like Zagreus to me. He gets plenty of pre-written dialogue, his appearance is pre-set and he's not that customisable (other than weapons).

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 16th 2022 at 3:35:10 PM

The MiniSeries page itself says that nowadays, things that started as miniseries often get expanded with multiple seasons. I think it would not be incorrect to leave it there, assuming the description notes that it started as a miniseries and was expanded.

That part of the description seems to be referring to fanfics based on video games.

Thank you. I have already mentioned on the page that it was billed as a miniseries before being renewed, so I’ll just leave it alone.

Found in: MCU: Kate Bishop :-

• Distaff Counterpart: To Peter Parker. They encountered Avengers as children (Peter encountered Iron Man at the Stark Expo, and Kate encountered Hawkeye during the Battle of New York) and had their lives saved by them. Both eventually got the chance to work alongside their heroes. While both are skilled, their inexperience, impulsiveness, and desire to impress their idol, lead them to make things worse and get on their heroes' nerves

While the similarities in plot/arc are there. Is that enough to make her a Distaff Counterpart? Like if anyone she's a Distaff Counterpart of Clint being the female archer hero to his male hero. Despite the fact they downplay it by her being his successor with the same codename.