Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

Fold-Spindle Mutilation and Dead Man's Chest are too controversial and attract gorey examples about real deaths

Agreed. No amount of years is going to unsquick those types of death.

That's not what "too controversial" means, and for most gore-y death tropes we just go with NREP.

Yeah, other Cruel and Unusual Death tropes have No Recent Examplesplease limit of a 150 years. I think both Dead Man's Chest and Fold-Spindle Mutilation should follow the same rules.

We can always add both to the next NREP crowner. If agreed, I think that would clear out all the case-specific RL examples?

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2023 at 8:52:39 PM

to Functional Addict and Bridezilla on this crowner and the two Cruel and Unusual Death subtropes for NREP.

Changeling Tale is an interesting one. It was brought up a couple of months ago but discussion kinda stalled, but we couldn't decide if brood parasitism (like when cuckoos lay their eggs in other birds' nests so they can raise their babies for them) was a valid example, or if the trope requires magic (like fairies or elves) to truly count as an example. I, personally, think this is a trope that ought to require magic (compare Mr. Seahorse), when one real species of animal switches their own babies with another real species that's not similar to when a fairy or a goblin or whatever takes a human baby and replaces it with a non-human baby. I'd like to hear more discussion though.

Laconic.Changeling Tale says it involves fairies so unless you want to make a TRS request to expand the definition, it's going to be a NRLEP because fairies don't exist in real life.

If we were to expand the scope of the trope, then it needs to be renamed too to account for non-fairy based swapping.

Edited by AlicornGaia on Jul 13th 2023 at 2:45:33 AM

Okay, I suppose that's a good argument.

Hard Work Hardly Works is Too Common, attracting general examples, a lot of averted examples, and averted general examples. It might also be Characterization.

For that matter, Bread, Eggs, Breaded Eggs is the third in a trio with Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking and Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick, and is just as much Narrative and Too Common as those two^note the other two also attracted enough ROCEJ violations I could call them Too Controversial, BEBE doesn't have that problem so much..

Edited by MissConduct on Jul 12th 2023 at 3:22:15 PM

The New Rock & Roll's "Other" section is essentially a real life section, and is attracting ROCEJ violations and unnecessary snark.

The New Rock & Roll is a cousin to the recently NRLEP'd Moral Guardians and the terrible RL examples are reminding me of Two Decades Behind. to crownering.

Misery Poker is another cousin to a recently NRLEP'd trope (in this case Appeal to Worse Problems), and like ATWP it's Too Controversial.

and Calling the Real Life folder in The New Rock & Roll "Other" is a sneaky way to get away with real-life examples in a trope that attracts ROCEJ violations and snarky complaining.

Is Misery Poker attracting bad real life examples? Because it doesn't look like it's attracting any real life examples at all.

It's not. Therefor, it won't be crownered.

Once again, we should be paying attention to what's actually on the page and not just nominate tropes just because we feel concept should be NRLEP. This is a clean up thread first and foremost.

Red Is Violent: Characterisation and implied morality.

Edited by AlicornGaia on Jul 13th 2023 at 2:57:13 AM

Not really. It's just color theory. The trope covers more than just "aggressive characters are in red", and so do the examples in the RL section itself.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 12th 2023 at 2:58:40 PM

Regarding the real life examples on Monster Fangirl:

I just don't think calling real people "monster" is a good idea, even if they're murderers, rapists and other things like that. Plus the way these real life examples are worded comes off to me as gushing over serial killers, it may be not the intention but still.

I think this real life folder need to be abridged or completely removed.

While this may not be a real life section of any trope, I think this entry in YMMV.Miranda Sings is a bit inappropriate:

• Squick: Her makeup, frequent flatulence, her Uncle...

It's definitely the character. Miranda is characterized by her terrible makeup sense, toilet and gas related humor... and having an incestuous uncle. None of this has anything to do with Colleen Ballinger as a person.

Agreed.

Fair enough, then.

On the back of the recent ATT about Dead Person Impersonation - it sounds as if there wasn't a NRLEP consensus on it here, but if the modern true crime examples are getting problematic, is there a wish to add a 50 or 100 year No Recent Examples, Please! rule to RL instead?

Eh, I don't see those examples as being that problematic but if people are concerned I guess it could be NREP'd. Like I don't see a huge need, but eh.

I guess we can always take the view that if recent examples go into death/murder detail, we already have a 150 year NREP on RL Cruel and Unusual Death and several related tropes, so this shouldn't be an excuse to list those details.

And as that's not what this trope is about, it shouldn't need them?

The Illuminati is attracting ROCEJ-questionable troping of conspiracy theories and the mention in its description of the IRL Illuminati is sufficient context for the rest of the trope, making the RL section problematic and unnecessary. The first RL example in there referring to the IRL Illuminati and their becoming part of conspiracy folklore courtesy of the French Revolution is interesting context, but would better serve the trope as a truncated version in the description or on an Analysis page.