Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Re: Mistaken for Pedophile, I agree in theory, but it was KRLE'd in late 2021. I will still argue that it's very much Too Controversial (for instance, I know people who will claim until their dying day that Lewis Carroll was a pedo and thus we should take Alice in Wonderland out of schools, despite there being no serious evidence of their claim), it's very Gossipy, and there's an element of "Too Common" since psychos on the internet love calling people pedos without real proof. I will say I don't know why people didn't see it as a sister trope to the NRLEP False Rape Accusation, but I'm not sure if it can be retried again so soon. Thoughts?
Re: Viewer Pronunciation Confusion... uh, it already is NRLEP. That's why it doesn't have an RL section.
And Oranje, I think you're misunderstanding what both Noodle Implements and Mind Screw are as tropes. Noodle Implements relies on the objects being used for something that was offscreen, and there is nothing truly "offscreen" in real life. Even things people want to hide didn't happen "offscreen", because they certainly saw it (compare Great Offscreen War, which is NRLEP). For instance, the event with the trampoline and the chimp certainly wasn't "offscreen" to David Lynch himself, despite there being no footage of the events. And single Tweets are really never tropeworthy.
And Mind Screw isn't just for normal paradoxes and "stuff people find confusing", there needs to be either something symbolic or something deliberately meant to confuse. The world works in mysterious ways but "symbolic" and "deliberate" it certainly is not. Things that are confusing to laypeople but not to experts (which is essentially all of the Math and Science page, and the paradoxes on Main) is not this trope, because anything can be confusing if you're not studied in the field. This is most certainly a narrative trope.
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If there's a good enough reason, it's not unreasonable for the decision to be revisited.
Oh, sorry. I have just found a habit of a few pages asking to keep real life examples away, yet not being in any of the subpages, such as this trope called Hybrids Are a Crapshoot. Viewer Pronunciation Confusion has been under Too Common since July 7th, 2022.
Edited by CarlFilip19 on Mar 31st 2023 at 9:57:12 PM
Those two are both recently launched pages. Pages can get called NRLEP during TLP, which is probably what happened to those two. They should be added to their respective NRLEP pages.
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Called all of the March 26 items on the crowner. Too tired to do the cuts right now though.
Macron's notes
I fix my examples all the time
The Real Life folder for Betty and Veronica contains gossiping of real people. The trope is also mainly about the characterization of two love interests of opposing "types".
Graffiti Wall
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I took care of the cleanup and NRLEP/KRLE indexing for the items Macron called, since the indexes are locked.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Fed to Pigs has actually had crowner consensus for quite some time now but it got lost in the shuffle (Too Controversial, lots of Squick), also added Gargle Blaster and Klatchian Coffee (Impossible since they're about superhumanly strong beverages, if the definition is expanded to include normally strong beverages that's Chairs), and Mistaken for Pedophile (Too Controversial, Sex trope, Gossip, related to the NRLEP trope False Rape Accusation
Betty and Veronica is so totally Characterization. No real person fits so nicely into the wholesome but boring "Betty" or the cool but dangerous "Veronica" archetypes without serious Flanderization of them.
Edited by MissConduct on Apr 3rd 2023 at 4:20:43 AM
Distracted by the Sexy is a sex trope, absolutely too common, and attracting NSFW weblinks and weird gushing about Totally 18 year olds.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It's not a sex trope necessarily (that's about literal sex, and not about finding people hot), but the creepiness needs to be cleaned up, and many examples may actually be Advertising instead.
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It's not exactly a sex trope (although attractiveness/fanservice tropes do tend to attract creepy gushing, which we don't want), but I will concur and say it's Too Common.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Apr 4th 2023 at 3:38:29 AM
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It was just said. It goes easily into creepy gushing plus it's too common.
I'm good with removing it too. Advertising makes some sense, but we don't need to hear about it in real life.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
I will say that the current NRLEP sex/sexuality/rape tropes list does include several "sexy" tropes that aren't just about the physical act of intimacy, like Buxom Beauty Standard and several "hot profession" tropes like Hello, Attorney! and Hot Librarian. By these metrics, I'd say Distracted by the Sexy could be crownered under Sex trope.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Might it be worth going through that the same way we did for the Morality tropes? Before the lock, a lot of things got added to these threads unilaterally, and I don't think it's right to lump "looks hot" with "literal sex"
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I will say Hot Librarian at least has been NRLEP since 2013, according to the history of the main NRLEP page's edits.
I, personally, think that attractiveness tropes merit being NRLEP, as much on Gossip as Sex, but I think this conversation is better suited for the NRLEP criteria thread.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I mean, I'm not opposed to those being NRLEP for gossip reasons, I just don't think they deserve to be labeled as a "sex" trope.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I think we are going about this the wrong way, sure these tropes are not about sex... but they do attract creepy thirsty gushing. Why not just make creepy thirsty gushing a valid reason to get rid of a trope instead? It can even cover other sorts of undesirable gushing.
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That's a question for the NRLEP criteria thread over in Wiki Talk.
Most real life examples on Bigger on the Inside seem to be shoehorned, things and places that only appear to bigger on the inside, as having Tardis-esque dimensions is impossible in real life.
Edited by randomtroper89 on Apr 4th 2023 at 11:44:53 AM
pardon me but how is 'extremely strong coffee' and 'absurdly alcoholic drink' chairs when:
- there are entire marketing campaigns, trends, word-of-mouth, etc about both (malort for example is infamous in chicago)
- coffee snobs and alcoh... er, drink enthusiasts seek out specific coffee strains and certain drinks for their strength
- there are jokes aplenty about both
- there are recipes based on the fictional examples
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Apr 5th 2023 at 3:29:59 AM
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I'm torn as to whether Bigger on the Inside is really Impossible or not, mostly because I'm a little confused on the scope of the trope. I'll agree with you when you say that the Tardis-esque "inside of structure actually has a bigger floorplan than its outside walls would suggest" is Impossible, and "structure subjectively feels bigger inside than it looks outside" are shoehorns. But the examples where there's actual optical illusions at play seem a lot more valid (like the examples where parts of the structure are deliberately hidden as a visual effect). I think I'm more confused on what this trope is meant to entail. If the trope insists on there being a Pocket Dimension inside the structure, then yes, it's Impossible and thus an NRLEP candidate. If a Pocket Dimension is not a necessity, I'm inclined to say cut the subjective shoehorns and leave it.
How sweet it is
Should Hanging Judge allow RL examples? I feel it may be too controversial.
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There's a few that are a bit general, but I'd vote to leave it open, and see how it fares?
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I think Viewer Pronunciation Confusion can be under Too Common for these reasons: