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This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.

Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/) or, if they don't have an article, on Quotes Looking for an Article.

Image captions are discussed elsewhere and have their own thread in the Image Pickin' forum.

Edited by Tabs on Jul 15th 2023 at 2:40:54 AM

Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#7501: Apr 11th 2021 at 7:54:32 AM

Looking at the example list, it's likely said by Fleur Delacour. The example matches up with the quote.

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I'm helping!
#7502: Apr 11th 2021 at 9:39:57 AM

Inigo: Who are you?
Man in Black: No one of consequence.
Inigo: I must know.
Man in Black: Get used to disappointment.

This would fit perfectly on Withholding Their Name, but The Princess Bride is so damn popular that I'm not sure it's not already being used elsewhere...

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jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
Very Spooky
#7503: Apr 11th 2021 at 10:24:29 AM

[up] Looking at QuoteSource.Live Action Films, it doesn’t seem like it’s being used elsewhere.

Edited by jandn2014 on Apr 11th 2021 at 11:59:08 AM

back lol
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#7504: Apr 11th 2021 at 8:55:35 PM

I thought this was brought up before, but the quote in Fate Worse than Death is basically just restating the trope name twice. There's plenty of better alternatives from the subpage. My favourites:

"When i'm through with you, you will beg me to allow you to die."
Count Magnus Lee, Vampire Hunter D

No. No! Not the sarcophagus... Khorne damn you, you disloyal curs, just kill me! JUST KILL ME!
Khalos The Ravager, last words prior to Helbrute internment, Warhammer 40,000: Helbrutes

Zuko: If the Earth Kingdom finds us, they'll have us killed.
Iroh: But if the Fire Nation finds us, they'll hand us over to Azula.
[Beat]
Zuko: Earth Kingdom it is.

NoUsername i'm at the combination she and it Since: May, 2012
i'm at the combination she and it
#7505: Apr 11th 2021 at 8:57:05 PM

potholes shouldn't be used in page quotes, but regardless of that, the Vampire Hunter D quote seems best to me

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#7506: Apr 12th 2021 at 1:13:06 AM

[up]Yeah, I just copied all the text and markup from the Quote page's source, and would remove them if they get moved to the main page, since I think they can still work without the potholes.

GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#7507: Apr 12th 2021 at 7:28:39 PM

The page quote for The Falklands War is

"The Empire Strikes Back"
Newsweek headline (19 April 1982), after declaration of war.

It does not say much, does it? it's just a headline. There's no substance, meaningful content. What about this?

Orders from the Iron Maiden: "Get the islands back"
Failure will not be accepted, call for artillery strike, launch attack
We are back in control, force them to surrender
Take what is ours, restore law and order
Back in control, push them further out to sea
Falklands in our hands, back under British reign

Edited by GrigorII on Apr 12th 2021 at 7:29:25 AM

Ultimate Secret Wars
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#7508: Apr 13th 2021 at 10:31:54 PM

Exact Words:

General Chang: You'll never take this city while I'm alive, monster!
The Death Knight: Terms accepted. [stab]

I don't think this counts. Given that the two are enemy combatants, it was expected for them to be trying to kill each other. Chang simply overestimates how much of an obstacle he is for the Death Knight.

dsneybuf Since: Jul, 2009
#7509: Apr 14th 2021 at 6:11:16 AM

Ignore this post.

Edited by dsneybuf on Apr 14th 2021 at 9:14:49 AM

Nightshade92 from The Big Rotten Apple Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
dsneybuf Since: Jul, 2009
#7511: Apr 14th 2021 at 7:14:23 AM

I carelessly misread "Chick" as "Critic".

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#7512: Apr 14th 2021 at 8:42:10 AM

This is a quote on the Lovable Alpha Bitch page

It's a Fan Myopia quote. Unless you know the work, you won't know why it's significant. Even knowing the work, I don't think it works as an example of the trope. Not by itself, anyway.

I don't think this counts. Given that the two are enemy combatants, it was expected for them to be trying to kill each other. Chang simply overestimates how much of an obstacle he is for the Death Knight.

It's a terrible cliché, and not very clever, but it just barely counts. The biggest problem with it is that the quote clearly relies on the visual act of responding to the boast by killing him for the quote to work, hence the [stab] action that had to be inserted. That alone says the quote itself isn't a good demonstration of the trope.

From looking at the Quotes page, I'd say these are better examples. I don't know any of these three works, but I can see the Exact Words issue immediately.

"Remember your promise? Remember the exact words? You vow to put your clan above everything else you want? Your mother, father, mate, kits, and leader! From that one promise, I could take everything precious to you!"
Mapleshade, Warrior Cats

"The Emperor wants the thaumaturge alive; everyone else can die," Berne said simply.
This particular instruction had been carefully planned; he had to be able to say truthfully to Ma'elKoth that he didn't order a massacre.

Wit: What of you, Prince Renarin? Your father wishes me to leave you alone. If you can speak and yet say nothing ridiculous, I will leave you alone for the rest of the week.
[Beat]
Renarin: Nothing ridiculous.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 14th 2021 at 4:55:59 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#7513: Apr 14th 2021 at 11:28:02 AM

It's a Fan Myopia quote. Unless you know the work, you won't know why it's significant. Even knowing the work, I don't think it works as an example of the trope. Not by itself, anyway.

I agree.


Looking through Quotes.Exact Words, I don't have any strong opinions on a replacement at this time, except that I would prefer one that does not overlap with Loophole Abuse or Literal-Minded.

antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#7514: Apr 14th 2021 at 4:03:52 PM

I think the quote for Poison and Cure Gambit isn't even the right trope and would be better for Withholding the Cure.

"They're never curing AIDS. There's no money in the cure. The money's in the medicine. That's how you get paid, on the comeback. That's how a drug dealer makes money, on the comeback... You think they're gonna cure AIDS? They're still mad about all the money they lost on Polio!"
What Chris Rock is saying isn't the trope at all, if they're never coming out with the cure for AIDS, or never promising it, it's not a Poison and Cure Gambit. Plus, nobody (that we know of) intentionally infected people with AIDS.

Edited by antenna_ears on Apr 14th 2021 at 4:11:04 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#7515: Apr 15th 2021 at 5:06:00 PM

[up][up]Yeah, It was difficult to choose a decent quote to suggest.

[up]I'm not sure its Withholding the Cure either. Withholding the Cure looks like it needs the cure to actually exist and be actively prevented from distribution. This quote is basically saying no-one will invest in finding a cure in the first place.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 15th 2021 at 1:09:18 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#7516: Apr 15th 2021 at 5:11:52 PM

[up] To me, that’s almost the same thing. Whether there’s a cure or not, they’re not interested in curing the public for selfish reasons. I think it’s more important that they’re purposely not releasing a cure, whether they’re holding an existing one back or actively avoiding making it.

Edited by antenna_ears on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:15:00 AM

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#7517: Apr 17th 2021 at 12:17:23 PM

[up]It's arguably an edge-case example of the trope, but either way it's not demonstrative enough to make a good page quote.

Edited by johnnye on Apr 17th 2021 at 12:17:53 PM

Vandagyre Certified Badassatron from somewhere under Iacon (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Certified Badassatron
#7518: Apr 17th 2021 at 3:34:49 PM

Elmer's Candid Camera's quote is far too long and has excessive complaining (it's by the person who made the short, but still). Can it be cut down to the final sentence?

I don't actually have any Bumblebee icons, I just think the nickname is funny.
antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#7519: Apr 17th 2021 at 3:39:06 PM

[up] Definitely, short but sweet.

[up][up] Alright, understand.

NoUsername i'm at the combination she and it Since: May, 2012
i'm at the combination she and it
#7520: Apr 20th 2021 at 4:36:53 PM

the quotes on Hair Color in Japan and You Gotta Have Blue Hair are the same. i was thinking putting this on hair color in japan:

His hair color is merely manga artistic expression. He is fully Japanese.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
MFLuder Since: Jul, 2012
#7522: Apr 21st 2021 at 7:02:39 PM

For a while I've had an issue with the page quote for Epigraph, in that I think it would be better to just use the original quote it was referencing. I finally found the original quote in Joe Queenan's book Red Lobster, White Trash, and the Blue Lagoon. He starts off by saying:

"Another trend I noticed while slowly working my way through the Masters of Bilge canon was that bad writers like to preface their books with a quote from somebody classy."

He then gives several examples of this, followed by:

"This made me wonder why great writers didn't start their books with quotations from world-class hacks."

He then gives a couple imaginary examples of this, including one where a book of Shakespeare is prefaced by Tom Clancy describing a helicopter. Anyway, I was thinking it would be good to stitch the two above quotes together with an ellipsis and use it as the page quote.

NoUsername i'm at the combination she and it Since: May, 2012
i'm at the combination she and it
#7523: Apr 25th 2021 at 2:03:43 AM

Precious Puppy and Baby Talk have the same quote. okay to change Precious Puppy to this?

"Throw puppies at a problem and the problem may not disappear, but who cares? There will be puppies!"

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#7524: Apr 25th 2021 at 5:57:01 PM

So on Say Your Prayers, which is a trope where someone faces death or a dire situation and responding with a sincere prayer, the current quote is:

"God! Buddha! Zeus! One of you guys do something! Help! Satan, you owe me!"

from Professor Farnsworth of Futurama. Not only does it kinda clash with the spirit of the trope, it's not the only place where it's being used; it also shows up on the newer trope Emergency Multifaith Prayer, where it fits the spirit much better.

So does anyone else think the quote needs to be changed, and if there are any ideas? From a quick look over the page, my first thought is the example from The Sandman, where an elderly Jewish man sees Death and decides to say a traditional prayer just before dying. Here's a potential draft if we want to include the full context.

Harry: [After seeing Death and realizing it's his time] 'Scuse me, something I got to say. Always used to wonder if I would, but, y'know, what th' hey... Sh'ma Yisroel. Adonai elohaynu. Adonai e'hod. Hear me, o Israel. The Lord our God. The Lord is One. [dies]
Harry's Ghost: It's good that I said the Sh'ma. My old man always said it guaranteed a place in Heaven. If you believe in Heaven...

Thought?

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#7525: Apr 25th 2021 at 6:13:40 PM

[up][up]Yeah, go for it. However, having just finished series 2 (no spoilers!) I've gotta say I love the battle corgi!

[up]Definitely needs a change, no opinion on options though.


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