• Months late, I sent Brooktown High to the cutlist.
• Merseyuser 1: At that extent, I personally would favour cutting Analysis.Alternate Continuity altogether and merging it in the main namespace.

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I recently created Analysis.Grezzo 2. I'm not concerned about the content nor the language, I'm kinda dissatisfied with the format. Hard to tell, but I have the feeling that it's kinda annoying to look at, and I arranged rather badly paragraphs and sections. What do you guys think about it.

Edited by gc10 on Mar 28th 2021 at 10:22:47 AM

Analysis.Heroic Self Deprecation only has three lines, consisting of possible in-universe justification of the trope. This seems way too short, and pretty much anything can be used to justify the occurrence of a trope, making this meaningless.

Cut?

The tropes can easily be included in the main description if they're not already. Don't think the third bullet is true.

In response to this: that page is a complain-y disaster filled with Troper Tales-level First-Person Writing which barely fits the Analysis namespace to begin with. Slice slice slice away.

TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall

Yes, cut.

This is the totality of Analysis.You Dirty Rat:

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Non-villainous and non-gross rats are Usually Designed To Be Humanoid

When rats are portrayed in a positive light, they are usually more anthropomorphic, with human body shapes, human-style heads and facial hair, human skintone fur color, and humanlike breasts.

Examples:

Animated Film

• Nelvana’s Rock and Rule
• Aardman Animations’ Flushed Away

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I have no idea what the point is. Cut?

Edited by Chabal2 on May 9th 2021 at 12:21:05 PM

Cut.

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

Analysis.The Worf Effect:

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The Worf Effect can be a powerful tool for showing how powerful a new character is, but there are multiple pitfalls. These pitfalls are common, even in the originators of the trope. However, they can severely compromise the effectiveness of the trope

Overusing it on the same character.

With rare exception, overuse of the Worf Effect on a singular character is less likely to make the opposition seem powerful, and more likely to make the character seem weak. For instance, the princesses Celestia and Luna get defeated too often by the season's antagonist. The end result is that they are said to be so powerful, but never get to show it off, which could make some wonder if they really are that powerful.

Use of the Worf Effect too early

The Worf Effect needs to be used on characters whose power is well established. If a character gets worfed before their power can be properly established, it seems less like the character's opposition is strong, and more like the character is a wimp. This is a mistake made by Ben 10 multiple times. Ben 10 has done this at least twice. First his main Mighty Glacier alien got worfed by a villain, in its first appearance. Not as bad the the Ultimate Form of Ben's Planet-busting alien Way Big got it. His only appearance is him getting Worfed by an Eldritch Abomination.

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I broadly agree with the first sentences of each paragraph, but I feel this is more to complain about the trope's use on the shows cited (I don't watch them, so I don't know how accurate the comments are), and if we remove them, there's not much left to the page.

The Analysis subpage for John Carter is mostly just a first-person rant about how Dejah in the movie is not as "strong" a character as in the books, and a few sub-bullets from other tropers arguing about it.

I don't a page dedicated to taking snipes about a film's attempt to make a more "feminist" character is a good idea. So, should the page be cut?

Analysis.Gravity Is A Harsh Mistress:

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If you think this happens in cartoons, it also happens in live-action. At the end of a Kermit the Frog Newslfash skit where he interviews Pinocchio, where his lies causes his growing nose to get caught on the collar of Kermit's coat, where it crashes him through a wall and is left hanging on the collar of his coat, where the wooden puppet tells the truth to shrink his nose back to normal, Kermit concludes the report while standing on the sky, unaware that in mid-sentence, he falls to the ground. Ouch! Now you know how Wile E. Coyote feels.

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Cut?

Edited by Chabal2 on May 13th 2021 at 9:17:37 PM

yeah that's literally just an example

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Analysis.Disproportionate Retribution

Should the first part be removed as the main page is No RL?

Yeah, that just looks like an example hidden there to get around the NRLEP, and it's nattery too.

SoundCloud

Judging from the formatting, it looks shoehorned as well.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 17th 2021 at 10:11:27 AM

Kirby is awesome.

Analysis.The Main Characters Do Everything

Seems to be more of a quotes page with extra context where a reviewer highlights and snarks at instances of the trope than anything else.

Analysis.Craig Of The Creek is a list of places on the show and the episode they appeared in.

Does it belong somewhere else or can it just be cut?

Behold, the shortest Analysis pages on the wiki! (of pages K-Z because I didn't make my list correctly)

Tropes:

• The Friend Nobody Likes

  The 5 Geek Social Fallacies can go a long way in explaining why this happens in Real Life.

• Teacher Student Romance

  The hot for teacher subtrope could show that power is attractive.The hot for student subtrope could show that having power over someone is attractive or it could just be that the person is young.

• Russia Called They Want Alaska Back

  In real life, Attacking Alaska is a nightmare. Your friends at Space Battles explains. https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/russia-and-china-invaded-the-united-states-through-alsaka.278528/ 

• The Hypnotoad

  This seems like it would be a repetitive gag that would get old, but it never does. Better minds than I have failed to figure out why this is, but through the power of inductive reasoning, I have—ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

Works:

• Steins Gate Zero: Just a header:

  !Embracing the path of You Can't Fight Fate or Screw Destiny

• Mischief

  Nothin but hits: Pretty much the entire soundtrack comes from the 1950s.

• Six Of Crows

  The things Kaz uses as leverage at the beginning of the book end up being used against him and ultimately lead to his downfall. !!Water As Rebirth

• The Tatami Galaxy

  The fortune teller lady keeps increasing her fees because the fees represent the weight of opportunities wasted. The more he kept wasting them, the heavier they became.

• M*A*S*H

  Seoul was relentlessly fought for and changed hands 4 times between the end of June, 1950, and March, 1951. How relaxing could it have been for the staff to take R&R in a city that had been reduced to rubble?

• Silent Hill 2

  Arguably the best analysis of the themes and symbolism that can be found throughout the game can be found in President Evil's plot guide, conveniently linked here.

• Transistor

  One amazing analysis by Super Bunnyhop on this city. An informative analysis from Games As Literature.

• The Player Of Games

  It's interesting how Consider Phlebas tells you about the Culture from the perspective of a non-culture character, and Player Of Games has a protagonist from the Culture, who spends most of the book away from the culture.

• The World Of Kanako

  An in-depth analysis of the plot in chronological order can be found here. Warning: all spoilers (and these are a lot) are unmarked.

I can do more if this is useful.

edit: I made a full list at Analysis Pages By Size

Edited by N1KF on Oct 5th 2021 at 12:38:29 PM

Here's some analysis of these Analysis subpages:

Edited by Shadow8411 on Oct 5th 2021 at 11:19:42 AM

Here's something a bit different: I found Trivia.Best Out Of Infinity. It looks like an analysis page best I can tell; at the very least, it doesn't belong in the Trivia namespace. Should it be moved, or does it not fit analysis either and therefore needs cut?

SoundCloud

That looks like a perfectly reasonable Analysis page to us, though as previously mentioned we're not actually sure what the namespace is for.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Maybe we should limit the Analysis Namespace as an expansion for the tropes used in a given work. We provide context for each trope, but as far as I can tell, they are not meant to be extensive. So, the Analysis would explore in-depth and argue why and how that particular trope is played within the work. Also, the analyses could be about comparing/contrasting related tropes (Sister, Opposite, or usually used together) IN that particular work. So, we could roughly classify them as follows:

• Meta-concepts analysis (includes genre-specific stuff).
• Individual tropes analysis (name may change, but this is for very prominent tropes).
• Related tropes analysis (what I just explained about comparing and contrasting).
• Character tropes analysis (either individual or related, but all about Characterization tropes applied to the work's characters. If an analysis is about the role a character plays in the work, it should go to one of the other three categories).

Other kinds of analysis (mainly found in external sources) could go in a folder named "Let´s Read" or something, but always specifying what tropes that external analysis discusses even if the author doesn't use trope terminology.

Formatting would be like this:

Do you like the idea, fellow tropers?

Analysis.Modesty Towel:

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This trope is normally used when a character just done taking a bath or shower and doesn't have anything to cover themselves with besides a bath towel.

In addition, all uses of this trope can be intrinsically linked to Jesus Christ’s application of this trope to his famous Disney Death. His use of a towel to verily refrain from having his dead junk upon display shows that, as much as they try, the Romans simply can’t destroy his dignity entirely. The continued use of the trope among fictional characters as well shows that no one else would have their dignity destroyed if they just stood up for themselves. Oh, and also it’s hawt.

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Second paragraph added with the edit reason "This page already has no reason to exist, is it that bad if I make it worse?"

Cut?

Nevermind

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 30th 2021 at 8:48:26 AM

Macron's notes

Per ATT, Analysis.Metroid Other M is to be brought here to see if it's valid use of Analysis.

The page exists to explain several of the games controversial aspects were due to nuances/plotlines being lost in translation. It's asked if such could be better covered by tropes like Dub-Induced Plot Hole or elsewhere. It was also questioned if that was enough to "fix" the work.

The ATT did clean up some of the problems with the page, but if it's fundamentally appropriate for Analysis is unclear. ATT said to take here. Thoughts?

There is a cut request on Five Nights At Freddys with the rationale

by ~tvtroper20. Anyone familiar enough on it to comment on its merits?

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