Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

It gets worse. I went to replace the Chaos Kin with Hades, and in addition to putting in the Chaos Kin, the poster proceeded to write this as an edit note:

Hi, Bowser! I'm here to beat you to a pulp for this random stuff including mocking me even worse than my superiors do. Oh, you sneezed? Bless you, then. I'm not even going to try to take advantage of that random sneeze to get the upper hand very easily in this battle of battles, after which you actually congratulate the player for killing you. Also, for the idol descriptions argument, the idol descriptions also say Eyetrack Orbitars lacks attack power. If a hostage situation is by any means mindless, then please tell me what definition of hostage situation you're going by.

The poster has seen the arguments and decided he just doesn't care.

EDIT: To respond to those arguments about the trustworthiness of the idols and the hostage situations: The Eyetrack Orbitars have an average attack power, and the exact wording seems to imply more that their attack power isn't great than the attack power's bad. And even then, everything in the game was written by creator Masahiro Sakurai himself, so the idols are indeed canon. As for the hostage situations, they aren't exactly hostage situations. He took Palutena's soul just to eat it, and after the boss fight, what was seemingly a last-ditch attack to bring Dark Pit with him was actually because Dark Pit's soul could heal him. In short, the Chaos Kin is like an animal. All he does is for survival and food.

EDIT: Yeah, my reaction at first. He was disqualified for being a Generic Doomsday Villain, while the idols confirm that the Chaos Kin is a mindless being.

edited 8th Feb '14 11:49:29 AM by finalsurvivor1

WTF???

EDIT: Why was Chaos Kin disqualified again? GDV?

edited 8th Feb '14 11:34:10 AM by ACW

@ Ambar: It seems like my words can't sufficiently describe how vile even #1 is. I've read many books with different kinds of villains, and only a few have made me feel nauseous. This guy managed that. He goes way beyond being a jackass, and maybe even beyond being a house tyrant. His hatred of his orphaned niece, who has done nothing to deserve it, is nothing but sickening. He enjoys trying to crush her! He has no redeeming qualities, at least none that can cancel out what he did. And yeah, I forgot to mention one thing. He once let his niece almost starve to death, not giving her food for a whole week! How about that?

As for #2, not only do we see him being sadistic towards women. But he makes a fourteen-year-old girl pregnant and doesn't care when she dies. And even when his own sister might be dying, not only does he feel no sadness, but he actually even wants her to die, so his parents will get something else to think about except his atrocities. How much worse can you get?

We don't get to see the deaths of #3's two previous wives. But we do get to see his sadism against other women, including his third wife.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:42:17 PM by Furienna

@ Lightysnake: No, it's both the sherrif and his deputy. The mayor drives up, gives his gloating speech that they'll be out of a job pretty soon because he screwed them over and "commends" them for doing their thankless jobs to evacuate the town anyways and drives off, then the two officers suggest they destroy the mayor's house as payback and blame it on looters. Note that this doesn't apply to Hank (the third candidate), but as I said I don't think he's as heinous as those two.

It could be argued that the sherrif and his partner just get worse from there, but with no one else having seen Hard Rain and a possible redeeming trait I can't support it right now.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:11:11 PM by Morgenthaler

The Bones entry needs help, Howard Epps might be a cut, Pelant may be a example. As for the Gravedigger example I "dug" up an old writeup.

• The Gravedigger from Bones is a dark cross between a serial killer and a serial kidnapper. Her modus operandi is to sneak up on victims, knock them out with a custom-made stun gun, and bury them in a hidden container with 24 hours of air - either her ransom is paid, or the victims die. She's introduced by doing this on Dr. Brennan - not because Brennan is a threat, but just because she can. She also traps Dr. Hodgins at the same time (cutting the available air to around 12 hours) just because he witnessed the kidnapping. When she reappears, she then tries to similarly bury Booth alive to destroy evidence against her, plus tries to kill Brennan and Booth again while she's at it. She also kills a private investigator with her stun gun because she thinks that there's a chance that he might find her in the future. Several of her other victims are also sought, with the cruel circumstances behind them all played up. In the end, she admits that she just enjoyed killing people and the effects that Buried Alive has on victims; the ransom money was immaterial to her.

Can a character from a YouTube Poop qualify as a complete monster if the YTP in question treated the character seriously in-universe. The example I'm talking about is the version of Mr. Krabs from Mr. Krabs' Unquenchable Blood Lust. Again, it should be noted that Mr. Krabs' actions in this certain You Tube poop are taken very seriously. In fact, it plays out more as a horror film than a true YTP. In this YTP, Mr. Krabs becomes a Serial Killer after he poisoned the health inspector from the Nasty Patty episode, because he thought he wasn't going to pay him for the food. He later forces SpongeBob to help him hide the body, and he later massacres two police officers and then burned their car just to ensure that he got away with the health inspector's murder. Mr. Krabs later started to develop a lust for killing, and became insane. The next day at the Krusty Krab, Squidward noticed that Krabs was acting rather strange, and he and Sponge Bob promptly tie him up and call the police and the Navy on him. Krabs then angrily vowed that he would have Squidward's and SpongeBob's rear ends mounted on his wall for turning him over to the police. While in jail, he murders the guards, and escapes through the sewer line. He then arrived to Squidward's home and murdered him with an axe while he was taking a bath. When news of Squidward's murder ravaged through Bikini Bottom, SpongeBob and Patrick fled Bikini Bottom out of fear of Krabs killing them, only to have Krabs catch up to Patrick, and murder him. He then goes into Sponge Bob's house, and he was wearing Patrick's skin at the time. SpongeBob then ends Krabs' murder spree by blowing themselves up with a bomb strapped to his chest.

Bones was discussed ages ago, for reference.

He's only showing a rewrite for something that needs it, Septimus. Don't try to shut down needed conversation, please

Furienna: It doesn't matter how bad he makes the reader feel. He doesn't do enough. He doesn't kill anyone and he doesn't rape anyone. Already he's nowhere close to villain 3

I've been meaning to do rewrites for Fabius Bile and Ezekial Abaddon at Warhammer 40K for a bit now. Here we go.

• Ezekyle Abaddon, known as The Despoiler is the heir of the fallen Primarch Horus. Abaddon is consumed with hatred for all that lives, even his former master, and seeks nothing less than the extermination of all he can manage while uniting humanity under the dark banners of Chaos. As the only man with the support of all the Gods of Chaos, Abaddon has united the forces of Chaos under his banner no less than thirteen times in the Black Crusades. During these ventures, Abaddon storms the galaxy itself, burning and destroying all he can until the forces of the Imperium inevitably defeat him. Abaddon hardly minds as he is able to destroy and kill in great number, something he loves more than anything else. willing to send countless numbers of his own to their doom and living only to destroy everything he can, Abaddon is the champion of Chaos and is one of the most evil and brutal beings in all of the dark world of Warhammer 40,000
• Fabius Bile is what you have when you cross a Mad Scientist with the dark powers of Chaos. Bile traverses the Galaxy more than any other member of the Traitor Legions for the purpose of experimenting whenever and wherever he can. On the world of Dimmamar, Bile changed the atomic composition of the air until the population was forced to ingest his transformative serums or slowly suffocate. He earned the name 'Manflayer' in the Bray system for skinning those who opposed him to make a cloak of human skin, the survivors still alive to carry the garment behind him. Bile injects poisonous strands into every gene pool he can, with some experiments wiping out life in entire sectors. A sadist with a god complex and scientific curiosity, Bile is feared and hated by all who know his name and actions.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:39:21 PM by Lightysnake

Lightysnake: He almost has his niece die of starvation and later almost beats her to death. And he never feels any remorse about forcing her into marriage with #3, who even you say could qualify as a Complete Monster. Instead he just calls her "slut" and her love interest "scum", despite that neither of them had done anything to deserve those insults. No, this goes way beyond common jackassery to me.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:49:09 PM by Furienna

Okay, this is information we should find out in the first post. I don't know this novel, so I'm forced to go by what you say.

You're not giving us enough information to make any decisions here. We need to know what they do. Very specifically. What about it is onscreen, etc. And even then, you indicate Villain 1 (and again, we need names) may care about his kids

Yeah, I somehow managed to forget the starvation scene until very recently. I know I should have mentioned it earlier, but believe me, it's so terrible that you don't want to remember it! I'm sorry, but I hope you forgive me. And yep, she also got a beating later, that could have ended really badly if her love interest hadn't showed up and stopped it. As for him maybe caring for kids, he's still a very cold father, and he abused both of them (even though all that happened before the book starts) until the son became a sadist and his daughter became a doormat. So I don't know if he's even redeemed by that. He might be more moral than #2 and #3, but to me (and many of the other characters) his evil deeds still are too extreme to be canceled out by anything.

I believe I've already given enough information, and I mentioned what's on screen or not. But the starvation scene sure is on screen, and so is the beating scene (which obviously was so severe that it could have ended with manslaughter). It's just too bad that off screen villainy doesn't count for this trope, because these guys have a lot of that too. But if you want to ask more questions, please do. Their names? I thought I would go easy on you and not bother you with Swedish names right away, as they would be hard for non-Swedes to grasp. But it seems like that consideration backfired, so here you go...

1. : Wilhelm Löwenström
2. : Edvard Löwenström
3. : Carl-Jan Rosenschiöld

edited 8th Feb '14 1:29:59 PM by Furienna

Alright, because this has been contained across multiple posts, please just make one more new one with their names detailing what it is they do onscreen.

And they have to be complete monsters. Any redeeming quality means they're not complete. That's the way it's always worked here

Good writeups lightsnake, combined with this and they'll be set.

• Warhammer 40,000 is a dark and brutal place to live. No side is truly in the right, with most not even remotely in the "good" territory of the Well-Intentioned Extremist. That said, there are a few villains that stand out in terms of evil:

edited 8th Feb '14 2:09:58 PM by randomtroper89

Okay. Let's try again...

Villain 1: Wilhelm Löwenström

1. He was a house tyrant to a terrible degree, making his wife ill from unhappiness and beating his two kids and his niece (although the beating of his own son and his own daughter is past events and would count as off screen villainy).
2. He bullied his niece into a marriage with a man, who not only was forty years older than her, but also treated women like dirt under his shoes. And yeah, he did this even though her love interest had asked for her hand in marriage!
3. He clearly hated his niece, even though she hadn't done anything to deserve it, and once he threatned her until she had to throw up afterwards.
4. He locked his niece up inside her room for a week, without letting her have any food to eat. She could have died of starvation.
5. He gave his niece such a severe beating, that it could have ended with manslaughter, if her love interest hadn't come into the house at the right moment and stopped it.
6. He felt no remorse for anything he did. Even after his niece had been raped and almost killed on her wedding night, he called her "you slut" and her love interest "scum".

Villain 2: Edvard Löwenström

1. He was a sadist, who enjoyed hurting women for pleasure.
2. He made a deal with a very terrible man that he would get his cousin, even though he knew that she would suffer.
3. He made a fourteen-year-old girl pregnant, but still abandoned her. When she died after an abortion, he felt no remorse.
4. And when his sister was very sick, he felt no sadness about it. He practically wished that she would die, so his parents would think about something else other than his atrocities...
5. He made sure that his cousin was separated from her love interest, giving her no other choice but to get married to the man, to whom he and his father had promised her.
6. When his cousin had been raped and almost killed on her wedding night, his response was that she only had herself to blame!
7. He felt no remorse for anything he did.

Villain 3: Carl-Jan Rosenschiöld

1. He was a sadist, who enjoyed hurting women for pleasure.
2. He had murdered his first wife and droven his second wife into suicide. (This happened before the novel starts, so it would count as off screen villainy. But still, I have to mention it.)
3. He wanted to marry a girl, who was forty years younger than him, just because he wanted a virgin!
4. He raped his third wife on the wedding night, and then almost killed her for not being a virgin. (And she hadn't even promissed him to stay a virgin until they got married. Her cousin had promised him that she would, but she had no knowledge about that.)
5. He felt no remorse for anything that he did.

edited 8th Feb '14 2:30:48 PM by Furienna

Hey just to let everyone know, I created an official Complete Monster Male to Female ratio. I have it on a google spreadsheet here.

edited 8th Feb '14 3:14:34 PM by randomtroper89

Should be interesting to look at. I wonder if any of the misogynistic examples survived our cull or not.

Final call for Konishi. Will add in just a minute.

Say, Arkady Duvall is listed for DC Animation. Now, I haven't seen the ep, but are Arkady's deeds just told by Ra's or do we actually see the flashbacks?

The whole episode's a flashback practically

We see the flashbacks. IIRC, they take up most of the episode.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

edited 8th Feb '14 4:06:02 PM by MasterGhandalf

While my jury's out on Wilhelm Löwenström, Edvard and Carl-Jan are both going to get a from me. Carl-Jan has crimes that fall under Offscreen Villainy however, so take care in illustrating the crimes he does commit in the book proper when writing his entry.

edited 8th Feb '14 4:14:52 PM by sanfranman91

Thanks.

I can try to do a write up for the Utrom Shredder:

• Ch'rell from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) was an Utrom criminal who was imprisoned by his people for his various crimes. Ch'rell managed to force the transport ship he was being carried on to crash on Earth. Ch'rell escaped and took the guise of an Japanese crime boss named Oroku Saki, better known as the Shredder. Shredder wanted revenge on his people and went to great lengths to find the Utroms still on marooned Earth. Shredder attacked Splinter's master, Hamato Yoshi, believing he worked for the Utroms. After having his minions work over Yoshi with torture, Shredder personally killed Yoshi, an act that would lead to Shredder becoming the Turtles Arch-Enemy. Shredder's Foot Ninja also kidnapped innocent people and mutated them into monsters to use as slave labor to try a locate a possible Utrom base underground. Shredder has shown to be a very cruel boss. He murders one of his men who failed to deliver some stolen goods for him, due to the Turtles involvement. Shredder also would punish Baxter Stockman for his failures, by grievously injuring him, until eventually Stockman was nothing more then a Brain in a Jar. Shredder also displayed a complete disregard for human life, after an Triceraton Invasion resulted in Beijing becoming a city floating in the sky, Shredder decides to steal the anti gravity generator that is keeping the city in the air. When Karai objects noting that stealing the generator will result in the city crashing into the ground and killing millions in the process, Shredder overrules her and tells her to do it anyway. Some of Shredder's worst crime happen when Donatello visits a Bad Future where Shredder is a dictator who controls the world. Shredder has Secret Police on the streets to round up any dissenters and is using both Utrom and human slave labor (with humans having to work 18 hours a day) to build a giant teleportation device, so Shredder can conquer other planets. In this future, Shredder executes his former servant Hun, while Hun is begging to be let back into the Shredder's service.
  • Ch'rell returns in the movie Turtles Forever. After being rescued from imprisonment by 1987 Shredder and Krang, Utrom Shredder takes over their Technodrome and uses its technology to try and conquer The Multiverse. When Shredder discovered that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are in every alternative reality, he starts to lose it. Shredder decides to find the Prime Universe and kill the Turtles in that reality, which he believes will destroy the rest the multiverse. When Shredder discovers that he too will be destroyed along with the rest of the multiverse, Shredder still doesn't care, putting his desire for revenge above everything.

edited 10th Feb '14 11:05:22 AM by TheOverlord

The writeup on the Ultrom Shredder seems good.

For Edvard, how many women does he hurt any how badly?

Carl-Jan is a maybe. The rape and near murder might push him over the edge.

Alrighty, I have now finished the Zatoichi film series which I believe have a group of CM figures over the course of 25 movies. Expect those posted shortly