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the good General.

the general as well

General

Rodrigo

General

Rodrigo (bunch of other guys do worse than him)

No to Rodrigo. His own son Cesare is worse than him since we even see him sack and slaughter a huge city at the end of Brotherhood.

I was thinking the same thing... it's now a matter of HOW MANY genocides??

Also is it true that Torquemada has thousands killed since his writeup makes no mention of that?

• Discovery & 2016 film: Tomás de Torquemada is a member of the Templar Order and the overseer of the brutal Spanish Inquisition. Given a list of targets by Rodrigo Borgia to eliminate, he would also execute those who are not Christian. Torquemada later lays siege to Granada to kill Sultan Muhammad XII, potentially killing hundreds in the city. In the film, he kidnaps the Sultan's son and holds him hostage in exchange for the Apple of Eden, while making the son watch as he puts most of the Spanish Assassins to the stake to be burned alive.

If so this might need an expansion.

Spanish Inquisition.

Oh damn, I completely forgot how many were killed in the Inquisition. Ignore what I said.

It's not your fault for making that mistake. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Edited by LoreDeluxe on May 23rd 2022 at 7:27:45 AM

Goddamn you.

I can expand that entry that include the thousands of deaths

re-write:

Discovery & 2016 film:Tomás de Torquemada'' is a member of the Templar Order and the overseer of the Spanish Inquisition, a brutal event that led to thousands being killed. Given a list of targets by Rodrigo Borgia to eliminate, he would also execute those who are not Christian. Torquemada later lays siege to Granada to kill Sultan Muhammad XII, potentially killing hundreds in the city. In the film, he kidnaps the Sultan's son and holds him hostage in exchange for the Apple of Eden, while making the son watch as he puts most of the Spanish Assassins to the stake to be burned alive.

Any-thoughts

Edited by G-Editor on May 23rd 2022 at 4:36:57 AM

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Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 23rd 2022 at 7:33:24 AM

It is only like a few extra words so I don't see the problem.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on May 23rd 2022 at 7:42:18 AM

Rodrigo

Rodrigo since I forgot to vote that.

Aye to the General, nay to Rodrigo.

What's the work?

"Sonic X is an anime based on the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series, mainly the Sonic Adventure series. It is the spinoff series closest to the game canon.

The series' first two seasons focus on Sonic and friends being transported to Earth, where they meet and befriend a boy named Chris. The second season mostly focuses on the re-tellings of Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Battle, except with a few new human characters involved in the stories. The third season is Darker and Edgier and involves Sonic's crew trying to save the universe from the evil Metarex."

We're going to focus on one of the latter.

Who is Pale Bayleaf ? What he has done?

One of the four Metarex commanders under the leadership of Dark Oak (and helping him in his goal to have plants consume all organic life to ensure "order and tranquility"), Pale Bayleaf is a brilliant chessmater and diplomat whose politeness hides plenty of cruelty despite his somewhat low screentime.

On Planet Cascade, Pale Bayleaf made a deal with the remaining inhabitants of the planet (mainly its resistance against the Metarex) : Pale Bayleaf made the promise that if they were to deliver Eggman to Pale Bayleaf, then the Metarex would allow them to join them, so they could be spared.

When Eggman revealed he knew the resistance group's plan all along and out-gambitted them, Pale Bayleaf saw the pact as void and thus tried to kill the resistance group, Eggman, Shadow, Rouge and Molly (read, pretty much everyone present on the planet basically), succeeding with the latter and shooting her down, much to Rouge and Shadow's horror.

During an ambush on Sonic and his friends, Pale Bayleaf and Dark Narcissus show no hesitation in firing while their own troops are on the way, a move even their temporary ally Dr. Eggman found needlessly cruel.

Later on, Pale Bayleaf seemed to have given the resistance group a second chance, giving them the task of handing Pale Bayleaf a Chaos Emerald. The Emerald however, was fake (Which they did not know). As a result of this... He has them all fused inside trees that slowly drain and kill them. Despite them having betrayed Molly, Rouge and Shadow have nothing but sympathy and horror for them when they see the predicament Pale Bayleaf put them in.

Furthermore, Leon implies in the English dub that Pale Bayleaf would've never let them join even if the Emerald was real. To quote him:

Later on, in the final battle, Pale Bayleaf and Black Narcissus fused with Dark Oak to form Final Mova and annihilate all non-plant life, but are defeated and obliterated by the heroes, at the well-known cost of Cosmo's life.

Heinousness?

Not only he's in Dark Oak's Knight Templar scheme to annihilate non-plant life, but compared to his fellow commanders he's easily the worst. Black Narcissus comes closest but fails the HS (not only some of his crimes are shared with Pale Bayleaf, but those he doesn't share with him — being horrible towards his hostages Chris and Cosmo, stabbing the former in a way that famously pissed off even the normally cool and cocky Sonic — aren't much compared to the shit Pale Bayleaf pulls in both scale and depravity).

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming qualities?

None that holds up. He shrugs off Red Pine and Yellow Zelkova's deaths — more interested in wondering about the circumstances of their deaths —, and while he's polite and respectful towards Dark Oak, nothing indicates a redeeming case of Undying Loyalty. The other Metarex — even Black Narcissus, who's willing to go behind Dark Oak's back to avenge Red Pine — gets a few humanizing moments while all of Pale Bayleaf's surprisingly low screentime is spent either showing him as a Faux Affably Evil schemer and condescending tool either showing him as a murderous and loathsome alien being. He doesn't even appears in the Metarex's backstory flashbacks, while Dark Oak and even Yellow Zelkova get that courtesy.

Any other mitigating factors?

Nah.

Verdict?

Up to you guys.

Preemptive writeup

• Sonic X: Pale Bayleaf is one of the four Metarex commanders under Dark Oak and a brilliant chessmater and diplomat whose politeness hides cruelty and sadism. Working for Dark Oak to annihilate all non-plant life in the name of "tranquility and order", Pale Bayleaf manipulates Planet Cascade's resistance group into working for him to deliver Dr. Eggman to the Metarex. When Eggman reveals he knew all along about their plot against him, he attempts to kill him and the Cascade resistance — seeing their treaty as void —, killing Molly when she tries to attack him. When working with Eggman and Black Narcissus against Sonic and his friends, Pale Bayleaf and Black Narcissus doesn't hesitate to shoot their own troops so long as they can take down the enemy, a move even Eggman found pointlessly cruel. Tasking the Cascade resistance to find a Chaos Emerald, Pale Bayleaf locks them inside trees that slowly drain and kill them when they found a fake Chaos Emerald. Devoid of empathy even towards his fellow Metarex, Pale Bayleaf shrugged off Red Pine and Yellow Zelkova's deaths.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on May 23rd 2022 at 6:01:21 PM

to Pale Bayleaf

Pale Bayleaf

Edited by Mediawatcher on May 23rd 2022 at 9:00:02 AM

Bayleaf (sorry I had to do it)

@Ordeaux26 I- 🗿

Again, anymore opinions on the images I proposed here? So far, only MasterN and DrUnknown have voted.

I will upvote all the images

Bayleaf

Yes to Bayleaf but easy no to Rodrigo. Curious who the other two candidates are, but I doubt they will make it. AC has super high heinous standard.

• Seven Wonders (link): Both members of the Big Bad Duumvirate and the Arch-Enemies of Samus and Zelda respectively prove themselves to be equally evil:
  • Ridley proves himself to be just as monstrous as in canon. Ridley is the leader of the Space Pirates who have decimated many worlds in search of the Seven Wonders, including Samus', which includes Ridley eating Samus' own mother, and Pikachu's forest. Ridley arrives in the land of Hyrule, nearly killing Zelda and teaming up with Ganondorf so that he can get the triforce piece from him. When Ridley heads into space with Ganondorf, he sends the Space Pirates to Kong's village looking for the Seven Wonders. The Space Pirates would wage a brutal battle that ends with many of the villagers being killed. When Ridley arrives in the Mushroom Kingdom, a battle breaks out that ends with Ridley badly injuring Samus and intending to brutally kill her.
  • Ganondorf is stripped any of the honorable traits or redeeming qualities of his canon counterpart. In the past, Ganondorf pretended to work with the Royal Family before betraying and killing most of them, then took over Hyrule, causing Zelda to go into hiding for 7 years. Ganondorf was killed and sealed away, but in the present, had willingly offered himself up as a vessel for Ridley coming into Hyrule for the chance to be resurrected. When Ridley is killed, Ganondorf uses his power to come back to flesh and uses Ridley's undead body as his slave in combat. Ganondorf would attack Hyrule again, using Ridley as a distraction to kidnap the king of Hyrule. Ganondorf threatens to murder the king if Zelda and Samus do not give him the wonders they have, then kills him when they refuse.
• Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins: In this unofficial adaptation of the Dragon Ball franchise, King Horn proves to be just as evil as the villains from the source material. Horn is an alien that seeks to collect several Dragon Pearls and use them to rule the universe. Horn starts off the film by massacring an entire village full of people, which adds up to hundreds to thousands of people. Horn then heads inside the temple and personally slaughters the dozens of monks guarding the Dragon Pearl and then steals it. Horn later threatens Monkey King's grandfather with death if they don't give him their dragon pearl. Horn then tries to kill them all by using the villagers as zombies.

The reason Seven Wonders is disambiguated is that the wikiword clashes with a Tabletop Game that currently has a page.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on May 23rd 2022 at 9:48:37 AM