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There's that creep from Gakuen Alice and the dude from Death Mark

Sander.

What is the Work

Broken Sword is a series of adventure games where you play as either George Stobart or Nico Collard as you solve puzzles and uncover secrets. There's been 5 games overall, with two director cut versions as well. The main character for debate I want to speak about is the main antagonist from the first game and the hidden antagonist of the third game, The Grand Master.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

The Grand Master is the leader of the Neo Templars and is a ruthless CEO who uses his experience in business to convince other rich and powerful people to join his order. His main goal in the first game to find the power of Baphomet and utilise it's power for make all governments fall under his organisations order.

First seen quite late into the game, George witnesses the Grand Master discussing in a meeting with the inner circle of his organisation about how they're creating discord between governments and the public, making it easier for them to do a power sweep. During the discussion, one of the members chastises another for murdering one their own members before the Grand Master interrupts saying he ordered the execution due to the deceased being a "liability."

Seen at the end of game harnessing the power of Baphomet, the Grand Master tries to convince George to join his order but it's obvious it's more of a "You can be a useful resource to us" speech. When George calls him out for members of his organisation being killed and him not caring, the Grand Master replies with how they were "necessary sacrifices." When George refuses, the Grand Master orders a member to kill him and Nico. Escaping them, George and Nico detonates the church in where Baphomet was located, seemingly killing all of the members inside … including the Grand Master.

In the third game, the Grand Master can be occasionally seen during different segments of the game as a cloaked figure. With his organisation lost and reformed into a new one with a new leader called Susarro and his right hand woman Petra, the Grand Master formulises his own plan to get revenge and power.

To clear up loose ends and out of anger, The Grand Master goes after one of his old members Bruno, and leaves him to burn alive due to not him having issues with how ruthless the Templars were getting and leaving them. During the abandoned theatre segment, the Grand Master breaks in and kills several of Susarro's soldiers with his powers, leaving them as mangled corpses and then tries to attack Susarro but only managed to kill more of his soldiers.

Revealing himself at the Armillary, the Grand Master reveals that he survived the explosion of the church and that Petra had saved him and used her as a spy, before then revealing he was going to use Susarro's plan for more power. When Susarro retorts at him, the Grand Master justifies it with that he stole his organisation. When Susarro declares he won't join at his side, the Grand Master acknowledges that he can't be used as a resource and kills him with his powers. After the Armillary machine shows where the focal point of the dragon energy is, the Grand Master leaves but not before sealing the cave with explosives, trapping George, Nico and Bruno. George and Nico do escape but only due Bruno sacrificing himself.

When George and Nico end up where the focal point is, it's shown that because of the energy, the surrounding area's are flooding. When George finally catches up the Grand Master and tells him that this is going to kill everyone, the Grand Master ignores him and just exclaims that the power will let him live forever.

Just to make this brief: the energy turns the Grand Master into a dragon, George gets exalibur from a crypt under the focal point, when the Grand Master shoots a fireball at George but instead hits Nico and Petra, seemingly killing them, George kills the Grand Master by stabbing, Nico is revealed to be alive and Petra's fate is unknown. The end.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

No reasoning behind his actions as far as I'm aware. While you could justify his actions in the first game being some sort of delusion of uniting all governments under one rule, the third game throws that out of the window when he's own his own and tries to use the dragon energy for himself, uncaring that it would kill countless people from disasters.

In the third game, there's a slight joke about how close Petra was to the Grand Master but there's never any implications that they genuinely have something together and even then he apparently kills her at the end with the fireball.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

The Grand Master's main opponent in this segment is the bad guy from the second game Karzac, since they're both ruthless leaders and are prone to murdering their own followers. Both have attempted to cause an action that could kill countless people for more power (Summoning Tezcatlipoca and using the dragon energy.) Karzac making Oubier addicted to drugs and killing his wife just to be able to use his assistance is nasty but most of his kills are simple gun shots. When the Grand Master kills people in the third game, it's shown to be a drawn out torturous death of a combination of being electrified and burned and it's shown he's murdered quite a few people just to get back at Susarro including Susarro himself.

Final Verdict?

Generic CEO baddie but I think he's a weak what do you guys think?

Grand Master

Cohen

The ONLY thing that makes me think Grand Master could be a yes is that he doesn't care about the flood; I wanna see an EP for Karzac too.

Because if not for the flood, I'm not sure Grand Master does enough.

Karzac is already listed as a CM so I presume the EP is buried somewhere

Also apparently due to the dragon energy it causes other disasters but there's no visual confirmation, just a "yeah that weird stuff is due to this"

Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 2nd 2021 at 12:15:55 PM

Ah, in that case, sure to Grand Master. So he's told he could cause a flood, but just doesn't care?

Well the flood is seen during the intro of the last level and is seen in the background of the "final fight". When he got told it's going to kill everyone, his response was along the lines of "With the power! I shall live forever!"

Yeah, that seems enough, if barely.

Just gonna drop these off:

• Green Arrow:
  • Vol. 4, #13-15: Reverend Billy Miggs, despite his claims of being God's sword, is in truth a selfish Attention Whore who seeks only his own gratification. Corraling his worshippers into launching a series of terrorist attacks on locations he deemed sinful, Miggs corrupts his worshippers into being willing to die for his cause, letting nine of his followers as well as a child burn themselves to death, even killing a potential recruit himself when he deems her a sinner. Knowing that Green Arrow is tracking him down, Miggs decides to go out in a blaze of glory by attacking the Capitol Building directly, willing to self-destruct the entire building in order to ensure he would be worshipped.
  • Year One: China White is the first villain Oliver faced as well as one of the worst. Already a drug kingpin controlling much of the Asian market, White seeks to expand her empire by any means necessary. Placing Hackett within Oliver's company to embezzle from the company, White then set up a base on the Fiji island, massacring the village present before enslaving all of the survivors to work the fields. After executing one of her own henchmen, White threatens a pregnant slave for Oliver's location, later having a disobedient slave fed to rats to threaten Hackett. When she finally corners Oliver, she tells him that he can either surrender and be enslaved, or kill her and be gunned down in response.

I'm putting Year One at the end of the tree; I'll have to figure where the 2 other keepers go (and make sure they're all Post-Crisis).

They're all Post-Crisis - Muncie is volume 2 and Dover is volume 3, then Miggs is 4 and White is Year One.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:01:58 AM

Geld, James, Sybil, Grand Master.

Sander.

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Grand Master.

So I've gotten to a point in the SRW T expansion/epilogue scenario where I at least have enough details about Ende's role in the epilogue missions. Bascically Ende was resurrected by the SRW T incarnation of Debonair from Magic Knight Rayearth(specifically the anime), whom would never truly die as long as despair exists in humanity. Ende then proceeded to resurrect Nevanlinna in order to produce an army for himself to spread despair across the SRW T universe, and drags both X-Cross and Earth Fleet Tenku into the SRW T timeline so he can devour them for the sake of revenge.

So I think Ende does stuff that warrents a slight expansion of his current entry. I propose this for Ende's rewrite:

• Super Robot Wars X: Ende The Devourer is a Divine Beast and the creator of Al-Warth, populating it with survivors of the war against the Anti-Spiral to feed on their emotions—developing a taste for negative emotions while seeing positive emotions as mere condiments—while also taking advantage of the ignorance of Black Noir to have it manipulate events for him. Ende also uses his worshippers, the Keepers of Order to manipulate events inside Al-Warth while also training sorcerers in hopes to find a suitable host for Ende's future body. When the Keepers start to summon people from other worlds to bring war to Al-Warth and the creature meant to become his new self escapes, Ende summons more otherworlders to cause more conflict and corrupts the sorcerer Celric Obsidian into a unhinged berserker who uses the Keepers of Order to attack people. When X-Cross defeats both the Anti-Spiral and Black Noir, Ende appears in front of them to tell them that now, he plans to invade their homeworlds to feast on the emotions of its people before devouring Al-Warth in front of the X-Cross. Revived in the New Universal Era thanks to Debonair's machinations, Ende would himself revive and corrupt System Nevanlinna, seeking to drag both the X-Cross and the Earth Fleet Tenku into the New Universal Era so he can devour them for the sake of revenge.

If you guys are wondering about Debonair....while she is really bad there are a few issues holding back a proper EP of her SRW T incarnation.

Apparently, from the scant discussion I can get on this thread, Debonair has moral agency issues of being a manifestation made inherently from evil and despair within those in Cephiro from her home series, which in turn would severely affect her chances of qualifying. However she was never formally EP'd and was cut without a formal ep back in 2014 using the agency argument, so I'd genuinely chalk this up here to "overlooked anime we didn't assess" and could potentially pass the new agency rules if we were to do a through assessment of the anime as with what we did with LOGH and it is clear this isn't another Aku situation.

If she is EP'd sucessfully then we can discuss her SRW T incarnation with the agency rule a non-issue since that incarnation was REALLY terrible, being on top of resurrecting Ende and her canon actions, behind the summoning of the Space Monsters from Gunbuster to Earth and the corruption of Ultimate Gundam to Devil Gundam. She would have a better chance of qualifying than SRW T's incarnation of Wiseman(the issue with Wiseman is that he's less do and more of a extreme background figure until mission 50 and we don't really see enough of the impact of his actions)

Edited by xie323 on Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:35:36 AM

to the Grandmaster

to the Grandmaster

Any thoughts on the Ende rewrite?

I'm ok with the Ende's rewrite, but I would remove putting SRW T as the title and just put it as something like "Revived in The New Universal Era"

For Debonair...mmm. I have a friend who is a fan of the series, I will ask him out.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 2nd 2021 at 11:00:39 AM

Yes to the Grand Master and the rewrite there. Are we feeling close enough for government work on Bebop or rather wait out the hour? I'm largely going to let Ravok be handling stuff since I consider myself the 'Add one' to this collab but I do have something to pop in with.

I'm fine doing it now

I'm good with us talking The Ein Show a little early.

Cheers but sadly not much corgi here. From "Session 6: Binary Two-Step", a new twist on an old psychopath pointedly missing their sympathetic reveal.

Who is "Dr. Londes"? What has "he" done?

Previously known as the mass murderer "Cy-Baba", wanted for killing 3,000 people, the criminal has suddenly resurfaced as a self-help guru, although Jet's contact "Radical" Ed helps him track down the psychopath. Going to investigate, Spike is guided by Londes' eerily cheery AI secretary who lures him into a room with a chair attached to a pair of virtual reality goggles. Playing along, Spike puts on the goggles before seemingly tearing them off in a fit of frustration... suddenly he shoots his way out of Londes' office back into the street where he happens upon Julia, conversing with her until she's shot dead along with him by Vicious.

Still stuck in the reality simulation, Spike is fated to meet Julia and see her killed again and again, though each time she has more scathing remarks for Spike. Jet comes on the scene in the real world and finds Cy-Baba's creator, who explains the "doctor" is actually a rogue AI, bitter towards beings with bodies and now subsumes their consciousnesses into its own, as it did to its thousands of prior victims and intends to repeat with its cultists. Continuing to torment Spike in the VR world through Julia, its plans are stopped with the quick use of Faye's otherwise utterly impractical gun breaking through the case containing its control center, destroying it and freeing Spike.

Heinousness?

For a Villain of the Week thousands subjected to their worst nightmares to make them ready to "ascend" to within Londes is shockingly bad and an easy pass.

Mitigating factors?

Was worried about personality at first but given the bitterness it speaks to Spike through "Julia" I've decided there's enough personality here.

Verdict?

This version keeps.

Yes to Londes, was worried about offscreen at first but we're vividly shown how it kills with what it puts Spike through.

Yes to Dr. Londes