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It doesn't; all I was saying is that some people apparently think there's evidence he's the actual mastermind.

And why is fan speculation relevant here?

Bambi's full name is Bambietta. 'Bambi's' just a nickname amongst her girlfriends.

But yeah, keeping an eye on Giselle now, where just a few chapters ago, I'd never have even considered mentioning her here. As for Mayuri, though...I find it hysterical we have to actually consider whether or not the alleged good guy will come out looking worse.

For Berrington, though...I am gonna vouch for him, and will do a more detailed set of info soon

edited 15th Jul '14 8:19:40 PM by Lightysnake

I hope Mayuri gets something at least resembling character resolution so we can decide once and for all whether he belongs here. That debate was pretty heated as I recall.

edited 15th Jul '14 9:27:48 PM by HamburgerTime

I've got us a contender. Gian Carlo from episode eight of Crossing Lines.

Who is Gian Carlo? What has he done?

Gian Carlo is the head of mafia boss Niccolo Conti's security. When Conti is robbed and his daughter Angela is kidnapped, Gian Carlo kills the man who was supposed to be guarding the warehouse, then sets off in pursuit of Angela and her captors (Antonio and Paulo), along with four of his men.

He catches up with them at a market place and opens fire. Paulo and Antonio get away with Angela, so Gian Carlo orders everyone at the market place killed. After murdering twenty-five people (including two children) he leaves the body of the man he executed there, making it look like a murder suicide.

He again catches up with Paulo, Antonio, and Angela at a gas station in Slovenia. He kills nine people and mortally wounds Paulo. Antonio and Angela take Paulo to a Slovenian hospital; Gian Carlo catches up with them there, where he finishes Paulo and murders four doctors and nurses who see him do it. Angela and Antonio get away, killing his henchman, Bruno in the process. Gian Carlo proceeds to run them off the road.

Antonio is fatally wounded in the crash; Gian Carlo then comes for Angela. When one of his men objects to the idea of killing her, Gian Carlo kills him. He then prepares to execute Angela, railing about how, for the first time in her life, she'll have to take responsibility for her actions. ICC operatives Tommy and Sebastien arrive at this point and Gian Carlo engages them in a shoot out; his last act after being wounded is to try and shoot Tommy In the Back.

Are his actions heinous by the standards of the story?

This story isn't short on bad people. We've had murderous truckers who make couples fight to the death. We've had misogynistic serial killers. We've had kidnappers, bank robbers who blow up their victims with high explosives, and a misandrist art thief turned killer. We've got a Big Bad Duumvirate made up of a human trafficker and a Russian mobster with a fondness for bombings. But we've never had anybody like Gian Carlo who racked up a forty-two person body count in the course of an afternoon.

Does he have any redeeming qualities?

Initially he avoids hitting Angela, but that's because she's his bosses daughter and as his later actions show he has no problem with killing her. He's angry about Angela killing Bruno, but given his own willingness to shoot his men at the slightest provocation, it seems more like he's offended by the fact that she doesn't appreciate all the death he's causing on her behalf.

Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

His boss told him to do whatever it took to get her back, and Gian is doing exactly that. Conti did not, however, order Gian to kill Angela, nor do we see him specify that "do whatever it takes" means "butcher anybody who crosses your path".

Final verdict?

I think he counts. Other thoughts?

I'm abstaining on Barrington for now, because I have a related question: can a character's deeds be dismissed as Offstage Villainy if they're unportrayable by their nature? Child rape, which is Barrington's forte (his victim is 13 in the present day!), is nearly always going to end up in that category.

Yes they can be dismissed. There has to be some onscreen evidence that the crime occurred, whether its a body, a Gory Discretion Shot, or something.

Tentative for Carlo. Is Angela working with the kidnappers, and why does Carlo try to kill her?

Unsure about Carlo. His bodycount is impressive in relation to the other villains, but what is his relationship with his boss like? Does he think he's serving Conti's interests after his daughter cooperated with the kidnappers(?), or does he just have an irrational hatred for her?

If there are no further comments on Skynet, I'll assume it's a keep and do a write-up later on. I believe there was one nay vote, three keeps, and two unsure before the discussion stalled.

I do have another candidate: Dr. Charles Luther (Gene Simmons) from the 80s sci-fi action movie Runaway.

Who is Luther? What does he do?

The film is set in a world where robots are used for all sorts of menial labor and household jobs. Luther has designed a chip that will turn any machine into a Killer Robot. He's also developed spider robot assassins which pump acid into their victims and a gun with heat-seeking bullets that can move around corners to zone in on targets. He wants to sell the chip templates and the weapons to mafia, terrorists, and foreign agencies for profit.

Luther reprograms the household robot of the chip's designer, who kills the guy's wife and holds his baby hostage. He kills another designer with a spiderbot after giving him a briefcase full of fake cash. He later kills the first designer by firing a bullet at him in the street. The police try to arrest Luther while he's selling weapons to the mafia, where he kills both his business associates, some prostitutes and several cops before escaping. The police catch his girlfriend, whom he is revealed to beat severely for displeasing him and is holding his chips in safekeeping, threatening to kill her if she betrays him. They try to move her to a safe location, and he sends guided smart bots after the car to assassinate her. When this fails, he takes the hero's partner hostage and offers a prisoner exchange. When Luther's girlfriend is back with him, he rams a knife into her skull because she gave half the templates to the hero as an insurance. He has several more cops killed by his robotic assassins in a botched stakeout. Finally, he kidnaps the hero's son for another Hostage for MacGuffin exchange on top of a high-rise construction site. He lets the kid go, then reveals that he programmed his robots to kill the first person who leaves the building.

Freudian Excuse or redeeming traits?

None. He's extremely abusive to his girlfriend and is only interested in murdering people out of greed and sadism.

Conclusion?

The guy's a total psycho who is stated to enjoy killing. A very solid keep.

edited 16th Jul '14 8:39:19 AM by Morgenthaler

He seems like a (he'd be even more so though if he had killed the kid). But wait, THAT Gene Simmons?

Sounds good to me .

Oh, that's exactly what he does, he just uses his killer robots to do it (and fails). While watching the kid ride the elevator down to be killed, he holds his dad at gunpoint and forces him to watch.

The Demon himself, yes.

Then a definite . Several murders, Bastard Boyfriend, Psycho for Hire, and Would Hurt a Child? Seems evil enough for me.

edited 16th Jul '14 8:54:37 AM by ACW

but hasn't there been some speculation that Braig/Xigbar might be the true villain?

Speculation, but no actual proof. People only assume that due to similarities between Braig and Revolver Ocelot, but the former has not shown himself to be nearly as smart as the latter, or as smart as Xehanort, who's portrayed as nigh omnipotent in his masterminding skills.

Runaway? I've seen that movie. Yeah, he qualifies.

You forgot to mention that he sets up the final confrontation with the protagonist up to take place at the top of a building under construction, because the cop has crippling vertigo and acrophobia.

And yeah, that Gene Simmons.

edited 16th Jul '14 9:44:16 AM by Madrugada

He sounds pretty solid.

For Skynet...in the end, I have to note that the AI is fully sentient and self aware, so it should be held to the same standard as CM candidates such as SHODAN and AM, beings who are not only self aware but malicious.

In that effect, Skynet has one appearance in Salvation where it demonstrates not only personality but outright malice and cruelty. It realizes the capacity of other machines for sentience, but ruthlessly suppresses it.

So in that end...I think the AI may be a yea after all.

I have some new entries who could be fix in the film section:

• Bad Influence: Alex is presented as a mysterious and handsome stranger with apparent no background about his life. He befriends the shy officerworker Michael and offers to teach him to be assertive and indulge in risky behaviors. The lessons at first are innocuos and even funny. However things take a dark turn when Alex brutally beats and hospitalize Michael's rival co-worker. When Michael after that calls their friendship out, Alex kills a girl Michael slept with in his apartment with a golf-club,showing him the murder in a Snuff Movie, and leaving him as the prime suspect. He tries to kill Michael's older brother when he gets some evidence who could incriminate him. At the end he justifies his crimes claiming that people are hypocrites who walk through their whole lives playing innocent.

• Guilty As Sin: David Greenhill is a debonair and ladies' man who stands accused of murdering his wealthy wife. He chooses the succesful attorney Jennifer Haines to represent him, stalking her occasionaly with barely-hidden lecherous intentions. It's revealed that he's not only responsible for the crime he's been charged, but also had a story of dating older women who usually end up dead. When Haines tries to sabotage her own case by having evidence planted at Greenhill's apartment, he takes his revenge by viciously assaulting her boyfriend Phil. He privately confess his wife's murder to Haines with vivid details. When she asks him why he didn't use gloves before killing her he replies that "killing with gloves on would be like fucking with a rubber." In order to leave no witness he kills Haines' investigator setting his office on fire and then tries to kill Haines by throwing her out of a railing and make it look like a suicide. Ironically this is how he dies.

• Hideway: Jeremy Nyebern/Vassago is a Serial Killer devil - worshipper who after killing his mother and sister and ritualistically arranging their bodies as a sacrifice he kills himself to damn his soul and obtain hellish powers. Revived from the dead by his father, he continues his murderous rituals kidnapping young girls and bringing'em into an hellish abandoned amusement park where he loves to chases'em and mutilates'em in horrible way. When he approaches a girl he daydreams of cutting her eyes out. He kills a cop who was investigate him and puts him into his father's fridge with a sign that says that's too late to resuscitate him. When his father tries to reason with him he carelessly kills him as he claimed that he wanted to be damn and not be saved, before trying to do the same to the protagonist's wife and daughter .

• Some expansion for The Human Centipede: First Sequence: Dr. Josef Heiter was a leading authority on separating conjoined twins before deciding to do this in reverse. To that effect,he kidnaps a truck driver and two American girls in order to use'em as test subjects against their will for the "human centipede," which consists in joining the victim, mouth to anus,causing unimaginable suffering. However he kills the truck driver due to him not having the same matching DNA as the two girls, and then burys him in the garden and replaces him with a Japanese tourist. When one of the girls tries to escape he punish her putting in the middle of the "centipede" so she can feel the pain twice. When two detectives, came to Heiter's home to question him about the disappearances of tourists near his home Heiter plotted to drug'em, so he can add them to his centipede after one of the girls was getting sick, but when it doesn't work he murders'em both before being finally killed himself. Heiter is just a preverted and psychopatic Mad Doctor willing to subjecting his victims to unthinkable horror in order to pursue his insane and selfish goals.

• Inkubus: The titular Inkubus is a sadistic sorcerous demon with a taste of blood and killings. He starts walking into a station a police station with the severed head of a murdered girl and allows himself to be arrested. Here he proudly confess all his atrocities he committed in the past, some dating back to the Middle Ages. He soon starts to manipulate the cops around like pawns, driving'em insane, causing'em to walk, talk or commit murder against their will, or without the knowledge of it. The reason for all this was he wanted to settle a score on the retired Detective Gil Diamante who came closest to catching him fifteen years before and whose son was killed by Inkubus.

• Poltergeist: Reverend Henry Kane is the Big Bad of the trilogy. In life he was an insane leader of an utopian cult in the early 19th century. He led his "flock" into an underground cavern under the premise that the world was about to end, but actually he simply wanted to kill his disciples and himself and then harvest their souls in death to gain supernatural power. As a ghost he absorbed the energy from his followers and this fused with the evil in his heart, turned him into a monstrous apparition of the demon called "The Beast". When the Freelings family move in the home built where the cavern once was, Kane tries to abduct the young Carol Anne and bring her to their realm, dubbed the "Other Side" where he could use her to attract more souls since he desires more energy. In the second movie he keeps on tormenting the Freelings, possessing Steven's body in order to rape Diane. Despite in the third episodes he appears to accept a chance of redeeming himself and moving in afterlife,in epilogue, ominous lighting strikes and his maniacal laugh is heard, hinted that he may not be gone forever and that his redemption was just a fake.

• The Serpent and the Rainbow: Dargent Peytraud is an Haitian leader of the infamous Tontons Macoutes death squad and practitioner in dark evil Voodoo who's in charge of keeping the Haitian population in line through terror and torture. He uses a special drug to steal peoples' soul and making'em look like they're dead. The ones who don't suffocate after being Buried Alive are exhumed and turned into unwilling zombie slaves. When anthropoligst Dr Allan comes to Haiti to investigate he brutally tortures him hammering a nail in his genitals. He haunts Allan's dreams filling'em with nightmarish visions and walking deads. He later frames him for murder and force him to live town and eventually uses his Black Magic to control a woman in order to make her kill him. When Allan returns he uses the same trick on his ally to make him decapitate himself and then drugs Allan and put him in a coffin along with a tarantula. At the climax he tries to sacrifice Allan's love interest Marielle by chopping her head.

edited 17th Jul '14 9:18:28 AM by AM89

Ok, very important question for people who know Jojos Bizarre Adventure. Apparently, Dio Brando's diary was published as a side story type thing. What's in it, and how canonical is it? Because it's possible that we may have to cut Dio based on its contents.

I'm gonna vote down on Skynet. It just strikes me as too much of a Generic Doomsday Villain.

Hmm, some possibilities there. I'll take a look and make the possible edits hopefully tonight.

Is Regina as bad? And do they love each other? If so, he may be disqualified (as is, an expansion wouldn't hurt).

edited 16th Jul '14 1:17:01 PM by ACW

I am new here a have to ask about something. Attila from Novecento is listed on Film. I think that he counts but should we include his lover Regina as well? She basically commits almost every single heinous act with him. They are kind of like Mommy and Daddy from The People Under The Stairs.

Regina clearly loves Attila (she even pleads to kill her when he is killed). With Attila... his feelings for Regina are not clear.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:26:57 PM by holders

Attila...no, I don't recall him loving Regina at all. Honestly, he treats her with borderline disdain at times.

However, Regina is so ridiculously subordinate to him, and for most of his evil deeds, she's more kinda there when he decides to commit them and rolls with it. The little boy he kills he does without discussing with her at all.

Ok, I'm gon through t big list of additions, but I have to ask...can you subject those to the Help With English thread? I'm not trying to be rude, but some of those are very hard to read.

edited 16th Jul '14 3:19:42 PM by Lightysnake

Actually yeah, now that I think of it. But she still laughed when he killed the boy.

That doesn't make her a CM, it makes her a horrible person. Who's worse, the person who decides on a whim to murder a child, murders said child and then laughs about it, or the person who just watches it happen and laughs as well?

The former, for me.