Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
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- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Lies and Violence!
ACW, I really want to emphasize how shitty the Baron's rule over Warrick is. The citizens are always on edge, in constant fear of being beaten to death for minor incidents by what they believe to be their own, horrifically mutated children. That's all him, and it all sucks.
Fanfic Belos seems fine, when it's time to vote for him I'll vote yes
Also for canon Belos we are waiting for the show/his arc to end, since he may or not be the Final Boss of the series and he has one trait that might be redeeming if it gets elaborated on, but as of right now I think he's a solid keeper and I think we just need to see what more crimes he commits
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Professor Gigachad
One thing I am wondering is how much info do we get on the other children, since if it is shown the consistently turn out to be terrible than that might give the Baron issues with standing out.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
The Ultimate Lifeform
Your talking about his "love" for Caleb right Agent? Cause I thought "Thanks to Them" made it clear that "love" was always unhealthy and toxic, not to mention how he always blames everyone else for Caleb's death. The only reason we aren't proposing him right now is that he isn't dead yet. I fully expect him to die as one of the most evil Complete Monsters in Disney's lineup.
And I can accept The End being a CM in English, I was just confused.
Edited by ForgoLight on Jan 16th 2023 at 9:29:06 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
So as I promised, a CM duo from a very controversial alternate history work. There will be one more from this work but he’s distinct enough to warrent his own EP.
What is the Work?
The Death Of Russia is a very controversial timeline on AlternateHistory.com where a coalition of hardline Stalinists and neo-Fascists under the banner of the National Salvation Front overthrow Boris Yeltsin during the 1993 constitutional crisis and create a regime merging the worst of Fascism and Marxism-Leninism. The radicals go on a conquering spree and manage to take parts of the Baltics and Ukraine. However, they fail to supress the Chechen uprising and this results in the assassination of the top echelons of the leadership of the National Salvation Front. This splits violently the Communists and the Fascists, whom destroy Russia in a horrific nuclear civil war leaving millions dead and completely destroying Russia as a country. Atrocities are committed by all sides, but the Fascist take the cake in the "baby killing grimdark edgy villainy" department due to the actions of the upper echelon of their leadership and another warlord I will discuss in a separate effortpost. For now I will be discussing the two figures with the most power in upper echelon of their leadership
Who are Alexander Barkashov and Aleksandr Dugin?
While the far right Nashist movement is led by Alexander Nevzorov, the true leaders of the movement are Alexander Barkashov and Aleksandr Dugin. Throughout the civil war, Dugin and Barkashov instigates multiple atrocities in their efforts to unify Russia under a racially pure Slavic regime. It soon turns out however, they have much more sinister goals, goals that would make the incarnation of Heinrich Himmler in a world where the Nazis won giggle with glee despite that version of Himmler probably believing the Slavs should perish in that vision of the future too...
What do they do?
Immediately upon taking over as the leader of the fascist movement in Petrograd, known as Nashists here, Alexander Nevzorov, who's more of a hardline right wing nationalist, quickly falls under the influence of Aleksandr Dugin's apocalyptic vision of the future. Meanwhile, the control of the far right forces and the political appratus falls to Barkashov, who staffs it with other far right radicals like Igor Shafarevich and Gutrum Vagn—I mean Alexey Dobrovolsky, both figures that appeared in The New Order Last Days Of Europe HOI4 mod. They launch a mass campaign of genocide on the Chechen minority, along with the Armenian and Azerbaijan minorities in Russia. They also use chemical weapons to destroy the Udmurt minority in Udmurtia. Women captured by the Nashists are tossed into rape camps to be raped day and night by various guards all in order to produce more ethnically Slavic children. When Shafarevich predicted that a famine was to occur, the Nashists respond by rounding up all ethnic Karelians and Finns, putting them in concentration camps, and using them as hostages to extort food from Finland. White supremacists from around the world rally to Nashist Russia's ideology, with Timothy McVeigh joining the Nashist army as a volunteer
As both the Fascists and the Communists run out of supplies, Dobrovolsky reveals to the world that Barkashov has proposed a new plan to turn the tide of the war in their favor—this plan, the Zass plan, involved raining nuclear bombs on those considered non-Slavic by the Petrograd government. The end goal was the expand this into a nuclear strike on NATO and the world at large, destroying all non whites the world over so that only white Slavs remain. Dugin enthusiastically supports the plan, believing that once Russia is racially pure, the Hyperboreans will return to Russia and guide the white Russians to a final war against the western powers. Only Nevzorov and Shafarevich are horrified, but their power have all been hollowed out, turned into figureheads for their insane compatriots.
As the Fascists and the Stalinists converge in Stalingrad for the battle that will see which side claims western Russia, plan Zass is put into motion and Russia is plunged into nuclear hellfire, entire minority groups such as the native Uralic and Komi peoples are wiped out, and 35 million Russians die in the conflagration. Russia as a nation is completely destroyed.
In the end, just before the Fascists and Communists can fight for Stalingrad, a nuke smuggled into Stalingrad by Al Quada, which also wants to provoke the apocalyptic third world war between Russia and the west. This destroys the armies of the far-left and the far-right. The Communist leadership die in the explosion and the Communist forces collapse. In the end, while the fascist leadership survive, NATO intervenes in Russia and the Fascist leadership tries to flee from Petrograd as the nukes go off, their plane being shot down in the process.
Redeeming qualities? Other mitagating factor?
Ha.
They are also noticeably worse than their real life counterparts too since while Dugin's been accused of being behind every policy instigated by Putin, actual influence on Putin in the real world is minimal(in reality, Putin arguably draws his more nuttier ideas from historical far right philosophers like Russian Fascist Ivan Ilyn, Eurasianist Lev Gumilyov, and ex-nazi Carl Schmitt more than some batshit far right modern ideologue) and both Dugin and Barkashov's ideology have a degree of Pragmatic Villainy laced in them despite their genocidal intentions(and a case could be made that Dugin is a far-right Eurasian ultranationalist over a straight-up racial supremacist), they are balls to the wall genocidal here and want to destroy Russia and the entire world so only white Slavs may remain. Also while it may be argued the real Dugin might have had some affection for his daughter(who would have been born at that time in the timeline) given how he went into cardiac arrest upon witnessing her assassination(which I suppose you could interpret as genuine distress at seeing a family member die in front of him), this isn't present here.
Also while Dugin isn't featured as much as Barkashov in this story, he is described enough we get a view of his personality and intentions. We know that he beleives in this nuclear genocide stuff, has openly advocated for it under belief that the "ancient Hyperborean gods will return and purify the world once we slam the breaks on this whole purification thing" and how he is complicit in the Nashists' worst atrocities, so he has enough personality to qualify.
Are they bad Enough?
While both the Stalinists and the Nashists engage in genocidal purges against Jews and other minorities—one of the reason this timeline is so controversial is because it takes the popular view in Eastern Europe of Marxism-Leninism and Fascism as twin evils eager to completely genocide eastern Europe, rather than the more common view of Stalin as A Lighter Shade of Black to the Nazis despite his atrocities, the Nashists crimes still manage to stand out. I'd say the fact that they seek to escalate the civil war to a full blown genocide on the entire human race and the fact that they have full agency over their actions takes them over the heinousness standard in this fucked up civil war(it is implied the Stalinist leader, Viktor Anpilov, is driven by voices in their head)
Verdict?
Easy ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to both
Edited by xie323 on Jan 16th 2023 at 8:01:12 AM
Yeah, I mean Belos's thing with Caleb, I fully expect that they won't go "Belos is little lost lamb cause he misses his brother" route, the only thing I see as a possibility is that he might end up showing genuine regret at killing him, but I doubt that with his Never My Fault Tautological Templar tendencies, like I said I mostly see the wait as a formality
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Lies and Violence!
The Baron is the worst we see. Again, the Duke of Francis is a Noble Demon who has a Heel–Face Turn later (expect him on MB in a bit), while two other nobles agree to side with the lambs upon learning the truth of their origins.
The only other nobles with standout crimes include the Infante (tries to genocide America, expect to see him here in a bit) and one minor noble who takes random girls off the street, removes everything except their skin and brains, and uses them as living dolls (Offscreen Villainy, killed off before he does anything else). Certainly bad, but neither directly contribute to making more nobles like the Baron does, and other flourishes like his treatment of his subjects make him absolutely stand out as sufficiently heinous.
I believe Belos' one potential redeeming quality was why he keeps trying to remake his brother, but I believe there was some Word of God a while ago saying it's long since devolved into a sick joke on his part. But yeah, best to hold off in case that changes/I'm horribly wrong.
The wifi here sucks
Reddish do you have a response to this? It sounds mitigating.
Professor Gigachad
Alright if it was just the one that might have been more concerning but if we have three separate instances of people born with that not turning out as bad the Baron is probably just who he is by choice.
CM Sandboxes, MB SandboxesFor the Death of Russia proposal, is there any link between the fic and that Hearts of iron you mentioned, also I'm gonna need to read that proposal a couple of times purely there's so many Alex's there are I'm getting confused
But trying to genocide almost the entire human race does seem to stick out even in a Crapsack World like that
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
There is no actual link between Death of Russia and TNO, more so Shafarevich and Dobrovolsky appeared in the mod. Dobrovolsky(known there as Gutrum Vagner) qualified in TNO but here he is too much of a background figure. Shafarevich dosen’t qualify in either work, in Death of Russia he has clear standards and in TNO, he’s a Putin expy and a Hate Sink at worst and pales in comparison to multiple genocidal regimes.
Barkashov and Dugin are planned to appear as villains in the Red World mod through, however from the previews of the focus trees, Dugin there is very unlikely to qualify(being more of a powerhungry “take power for himself” Red Fascist)….Barkashov, maybe, it will depend on flavor events as the focus tree alone I feel he narrowly misses the mark due to possibility of pragmatic villainy over full blown racial purity in one of the focus decisions and the fact that genocide and large scale wars are rather common in that setting that pragmatic villainy may actually prevent someone from qualifying, but I can’t make any judgements until Red World releases their Soviet update.
Edited by xie323 on Jan 16th 2023 at 10:17:10 AM
Trying to recall if someone else was worth asking about.
I also got Roland Cox coming eventually too.
Lies and Violence!
Next for Twig:
Who is the Devil of Corinth?
A former businessman who entered into warmongering by selling chemicals to both sides of conflicts, "The Devil" soon decided to enter into organized crime, climbing his way to the top of the city of Corinth's underworld gangs. His signature business became the peddling of a drug that gradually destroys its user's body, while also "polarizing" their personalities.
The Devil himself is an addict to this drug, which he utilizes to spread his reputation through brutality: for every minor perceived failure or insult, he'll bottle up his rage, then take the drug to release all his pent up aggression in fits of wildly disproportionate torture, mutilation and murder. Throughout the years he's built up his organization, eventually getting the local government and scientific Academy in his pocket, and he regularly preys on the children of Corinth, either murdering them, hooking them to his drugs, or trafficking them to the Academies for experimentation.
Our main protagonist, Sy, eventually comes to Corinth and, as part of a larger scheme, decides to declare war on the Devil, demanding he provide payment to the friends and family of the children he's hurt. The Devil's response? Declare war on all the children in the city, instructing his men to hunt them down and knock down doors to bring them to him so he can personally mutilate them. He further has some of his men take his damaging drug and sends them after Sy, getting them killed when they fling themselves into his carriage wheels in a high speed chase. Along the way he learns that Sy's friends, the Lambs, will be arriving in the city by train, and so leaves massive amounts of explosives at the local train station in an effort to blow it up and kill them all.
More murder ensues. The local leader of Corinth helps the Devil try to kill the Lambs when the bomb fails, but hides his own children away in fear of failing himself—which, of course, he does, leading to this delightful exchange.
Before that can go any further, the Lambs arrive and begin a shootout. The Devil tells them that, in preparation for this confrontation, he's bought wagons of children from other cities and has them all scheduled to be "creatively disposed of" should he not check in. In addition to that, he's prepared countless contingencies to topple his entire empire should he die: blackmail will be spread, life-or-death information will be burned, the supply of drugs he's addicted important figures to will dissipate.
The Lambs don't really give a shit and beat him up, giving him a truth drug to cough up the above information before they cut off his face.
Any mitigating features?
No redeeming qualities, he mentions he once thought of himself as ethical back in his warmonger days, but any such delusions have long faded away to leave a Card-Carrying Villain behind.
It's mentioned that there may genuinely be a difference between his personality as the roided out Devil and his more mild-mannered, sober persona, but it seems like a minimal distinction—it's just his true nature underneath it all, as he admits himself.
As for whether he's heinous enough... Twig is pretty fucked up. Genocide or human trafficking is the minimum bar you have to climb to qualify, but while the Devil doesn't have much going for him in the genocide department, he more than makes up for it in the second niche by being one of the biggest child traffickers encountered—there are larger operations, sure, but most of those don't have any clear ringleaders or organizers besides the Academy institutions as a whole. The ones that do are led by the Baron, who is a powerful noble, or a high-ranking rebel with sympathetic qualities. For just a gangster, the Devil absolutely stands out as a brutal, petty sadist who actively goes out of his way to revel in Would Hurt a Child.
Forgot we've already got two at a time limiting us enough without me having to impose a one per day restriction on myself. Anyways if this gets approved Lighty will do the writeup.
What's the work?
Suspiria (2018) is a remake of the Argento classic horror. Same protagonist, ballerina Susie Bannion gets sucked into a dancing program tied to the occult. A series of girls go missing and the never-seen director of the company, the mysterious Helena Markos, is behind it.
Who is Mother Markos? What has she done?
Claiming to be the supreme sorceress Mother Suspiriorum of the Three Mothers, Markos is the corrupt current head of the coven behind the Markos Dance Company. Discovered by dancer Patricia, Markos' followers "kill" her, leaving her in a crippled and pained state of undeath while the aging and decaying Markos prepares a ceremony to transfer her being into another body.
Susie becomes the ultimate target of Markos' bodysnatching scheme. Another girl Olga is torturously likewise placed in a state of suspended life and left to wait as Markos continues her ceremony.
Turning Susie's friend Sara into the last, tortured sacrifice, the rest of the dance troupe is hypnotized while Markos has Susie brought to her while the hypnotized dancers are used to prepare her body swapping spell. When Blanc tries to put an end to it Markos overpowers her with her magic, nearly decapitating and killing Blanc. Susie however casts down Markos' lies and reveals herself as the true Mother Suspiriorum, summoning death to kill Markos and her followers and put her friends out of their misery.
Mitigating factors?
Not one, Markos is a threatening, power hungry sociopath who fears losing control of the coven and horrifically maims young women to get a newer, stronger body. The coven isn't composed of heroes but their worst crimes are on her orders for her plan.
Heinousness?
Quality vs. quantity case. While her being the root of the coven's corruption is vague, this film is a standalone (RIP sales) and Markos makes up for the minimal body count with extending her victims' suffering for days to weeks in enchanted suffering before trying to claim a fourth young woman as her own vessel, in addition to the Bad Boss behavior.
Verdict?
Feeling the extended cruelty lets her make it.
Well done on Markos there!
Just from this point in....just asking we keep it to a reasonable quantity? I'm gonna hold off on more posts till tomorrow, we've already got a lot to vote on.
Goku Black
In fine with the above but guys could we slow down Tomorrow is going to be a pain to people if there is like this many floating around to vote on.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RIP Toriyama
Markos definitely sounds like she lands!
And yeah, for just getting back started? Lets please keep the effortposts under control, y'all. We're already limited to 2 works active at a time, but please don't abuse that too early to spam like 6 characters from one work in quick succession because "well they're all in the same work". The old threads were criticized in part for "too much, too soon" activity, so let's just take a breath and try to pace ourselves, here.
Edited by Ravok on Jan 16th 2023 at 10:10:14 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Same. For now, I'm gonna try to limit myself to one EP a week. Now this is just what I'm doing for the time being, not saying anyone has to either.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Is there like a master list of EP's with links for them, too? It'll help for voting purposes.
Not the Eye
Agree as well.
Well ACW pending list has links.
The Moron
ACW's been updating his pending list with all of that!
Goku Black
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Here. Even features what time you can vote on X.
Just read the Markos EP.
That's 27 new EPs currently if I'm not mistaken?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Markos, the only one of the original sisters to NOT count.
And yeah, this is what I was afraid of. There are over 20 to be voted on tomorrow, so as long as this 24-hour rule is in effect, we may need to slow it down some.
Though Emerald, if you wanna do the last of the Twig baddies just to complete it, I'm fine with that personally.
I count 23 (including 2 from the same work)
Edited by ACW on Jan 16th 2023 at 1:22:01 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
We have other C Ms who only count in the dub or in an original, I think the end is fine
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?