During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
Yes to Malcom and I dig the Madara quote.
Last call, everyone fine if I just slap this Dracula quote into the Castlevania page sandbox now to save some time? I cut the "As you wish" because it feels extraneous and unnecessary since the speech works just as well without it.
Edited by Riley1sCool on May 29th 2021 at 6:27:31 AM
Professor Gigachad
I like the quote.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
I hate spoilers
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I'd recommend adding a "..." at the beginning of the quote since you left out the "As you wish" part.
EDIT: Also, remove the "However" part, too.
Edited by 227someguy on May 29th 2021 at 9:45:10 AM
Everyone look at my sandbox
I'm not inclined to remove the "however" since it's actually part of the starting sentence. The "As you wish" bit was an entirely different sentence, which made me much more comfortable in removing it, and I feel the quote is perfectly coherent as is. If the thread as a whole thinks it would be a good idea to remove the "However" and add a (...) before it I'm game to though.
Edited by Riley1sCool on May 29th 2021 at 6:48:53 AM
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Oh I remember Enoch. Hell yeah there.
The First man
Not knowing the show I'll say sure to Enoch reading it through.
I’ll give a ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Enouch. I remember him quite the enjoyable schemer
The Moron
I'll give a yes to Enoch
Can I get some more votes on Malcolm, please?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 29th 2021 at 10:10:19 AM
Oh yes to Malcolm as well.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yes to Malcolm and Enoch.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Merlyn and Enoch
The Draftsman of Doom
Yes to Merlyn and Enoch.
Feels good, don't it?
Enoch.
The Draftsman of Doom
Since an unapproved CM entry was just removed on YMMV.Cruella:
Can we add the following to the YMMV page?
%%Discussion for CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard is reserved by Tropers/{{futuremoviewriter}} and Tropers/SkyCat32 for June 11th. Please do not add any examples of the aforementioned items until then.
Feels good, don't it?
Why do we have the two-week rule, by the way? Not complaining, just wondering.
The Moron
To protect spoilers and give enough time for those who want to see it to see it unspoiled
And like I said on the CM thread, for now it’s a one-off issue, so unless someone else tries to add something, I don’t see a reason to add a note
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Love that quote
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 29th 2021 at 11:06:25 AM
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Aye to Enoch.
Any more opinions on the quote I proposed here ?
I like it.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Showtime!
to Enoch
to Enoch. He does fit the bill after all. Definitely a fun character.
Thanks for the diligence of the Tropers pertaining to protecting the YMMV for Cruella. If I’m not seeing it this weekend/week, then definitely next weekend.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 29th 2021 at 8:03:02 AM
The Moron
Alright, and the second from To Hell and Back (Arrowverse), give it up for the one, the only, Amanda Waller everyone!
Who is Amanda Waller? What does she do?
Amanda Waller, as per usual, is the ruthless director of ARGUS. She's introduced very early on, having already figured out the identities of the three main leads before their superheroic careers have even begun, and makes it clear that while she's fine letting them run around, she'll be there to pull on their leash whenever she must. In essence, she financially backs them and helps keep their identities secret, serving as their main government ally.
After primarily aiding Kara in her mission to stop her aunt, she then goes on to help Oliver take down Merlyn, doing so by exploiting Robert and Moira Queen's guilt over their involvement in the Undertaking in order to get them to cooperate. As part of the deal, the Queens get off scot-free while forcing Frank Chen to give a public statement about the Undertaking, scapegoating him in the process. She also reveals that she's well aware that Oliver is Malcolm's son, yet is perfectly fine keeping that information to herself.
Following the heroes publicly stopping the Undertaking, she steps in to control the situation and create some good PR. She gang presses them into the Justice League by reminding them she could release their identities at any moment, even roping in Mari/Vixen from Detroit just for good measure. She goes out of her way to force the heroes to be as public as physically possible, intending to raise the world's morale following Malcolm's reveal. However, things take a turn when J'onn J'onnz enters the picture - he reveals that the species that destroyed his homeworld, the Dominators, are coming to Earth.
Amanda scrambles into overdrive to unite the world to combat the threat. She first publicly reveals the existence of aliens and the Dominator threat, then begins sending weapons to pretty much everyone who can hold one - militaries, police forces, even average civilians are all fair game. After months spent preparing the world for an invasion force, it arrives - and thanks to Amanda arming the citizens and having her scientists create the necessary device to incapacitate the invaders, it succeeds, and the aliens are driven away. During the subsequent time of peace, she continues to grow the Justice League, recruiting Martian Manhunter, Black Canary, and Black Lightning, while forcing them to operate from the very public Hall of Justice for PR purposes.
And then Zoom comes out of nowhere to fuck things up.
As Zoom enters the story, so too does the concept of doppelgangers. Barry stumbles on Dr. Light and captures her, taking her to ARGUS since he could clearly see two of them at once. Amanda is confused for the first time, tipping him off that something is wrong. Nevertheless, she recovers fast, and briefs the League on the situation - at any moment, they could be replaced by an exact copy of themselves, and they need to keep a look out. Shortly thereafter, Barry captures Killer Frost and Deathstorm. Amanda then heads the "interrogation" - surprise surprise, it's a torture session. Deathstorm swears he won't talk no matter what they do to her, which she takes in stride - she just tortures Killer Frost instead, and he caves all-but instantly. Upon learning the finer details of their plan and that Barry has been kidnapped, she whips out her signature creation:
The Suicide Squad!
Task Force X is sent to the base where Zoom is keeping the Earth-1 people he's kidnapping, and although China White and Everyman are killed in the attempt, they succeed in rescuing Barry, Dante Ramon, and others. As soon as Barry gets out, he contacts her, knowing that Zoom will target his father to pull his Not So Different scene from the show - she agrees, and hires Christopher Chance to pose as Henry Allen so that Zoom will kill an imposter. Their plan goes perfectly and the Justice League almost captures Zoom - but at that moment, Zoom's forces invade ARGUS, kill almost everyone inside, take Amanda hostage, and lead an all-out assault on Earth-1.
Zoom himself tries to pull a Not So Different on her, but she angrily rebukes him, saying that she is no saint, but everything she does is for a reason - he's just a lunatic. She then quickly pulls a Can't Kill You, Still Need You to prevent Zoom from killing her, so he runs away to confront Barry. Thanks to the Justice League scheming on their own, they manage to stop the invasion and defeat Zoom, at which point Amanda expands the Justice League further, including Astra, Hartley Rathaway, Zatanna, Green Lantern, Thunder, Vibe, Citizen Steel, and others, so as to further boost the morale of the world - she makes it as public as possible just to top it off.
Her last act so far is to mass-produce Cisco's Doppelsensor for every American household, preventing an act similar to Zoom's plan from ever occurring again.
Is she Magnificent?
She plays absolutely everyone in the story at some point or another and gets away with it by virtue of how useful she is. She knows everything there is to know about the world and remains calm about it at all times - in fact, the one time she's so much as confused (when Dr. Light is revealed to be a doppelganger), it's an O.O.C. Is Serious Business moment. She essentially controls the Justice League with Oliver only being a figurehead, and the only person who can outsmart her, Malcolm, is a schemer with far more unorthodox methods at his disposal (since he's connected with the magical world), so I'm not inclined to hold Malcolm's wins against her. Plus, it's her planning that leads to the Dominators being repelled, Zoom's plan being discovered, Henry Allen being spared, and Malcolm's Undertaking being prevented to begin with, so she's got more than enough wins to count, especially since she lacks her canon counterpart's stupidity and unnecessary ruthlessness.
Is she a Bitch? Too much?
And on that note about unnecessary ruthlessness.
On the one hand, she is definitely on the side of good. She seeks to keep the world safe no matter the cost, is the leader of the Justice League, leads the forces against the Dominator invasion, and works to take down super villains like Merlyn and Zoom. On the other hand, she is downright merciless about it. Her plan against the Dominators includes recruiting civilians whether they like it or not, she's not above torturing prisoners to get the information she wants (in front of their loved ones, no less - it's all fair if it makes them comply), her method of disposing of the Dominators is to subject them to unimaginable agony, and she's largely in charge of the heroes because she blackmailed them into submission. She's also totally fine ransoming information the heroes would like if she thinks they don't need it, and is perfectly willing to let the Queens go free despite their crimes as long as she gets a win. Overall, she strikes a good balance.
Final verdict?
And a yes to her as well. When the fic finally ends, I'll probably reread it to see if the three main heroes are each worth an entry since they're all far more ruthless than usual, but for now, just these two.
Lies and Violence!
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yes to Waller. Nice to see fanfiction making up for her not counting in the shows.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
So this will be a weird one.
... I feel like I say that a lot. Ah well, let's get started.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a sci-fi series starring the titular agents, set in the MCU. At least, they were, until it became clear that the movies weren't returning their calls.
The general outline for the last three seasons is as follows: the agents get kidnapped and sent to the future, landing in a dystopian timeline where the alien Kree rule the remnants of humanity after the earth blew up. The agents manage to overthrow the Kree and return to the present, averting that timeline. Unfortunately, while that's happening, a Mayan goddess/fear demon out in space (comics!) destroys the home planet of the Chronicom race (robot aliens, basically). The Chronicoms then come to Earth, intending to use time travel to wipe out SHIELD before it ever exists and conquer their world.
If that didn't make sense, A.) time travel plots are stupid and B.) the Chronicoms are stupid villains.
Anyways, the main SHIELD agents relevant for this proposal are two scientists, Jemma Simmons and Leopold Fitz. Fitz starts out your usual geek, but because of a few silly little traumas eventually develops an evil, HYDRA-loyal split-personality called the Doctor. This persona bleeds into normal Fitz, causing him to develop into a ruthless/somewhat totally psychologically damaged badass. Jemma is his wife.
... Okay, there's more to her than that, but nothing immediately relevant to this.
The candidate
Enoch is a Chronicom anthropologist, sent to record the evolution of humanity over the course of centuries, with explicit instructions to never interfere except in order to prevent an extinction level event. Somehow coming into contact with Robin Hinton, a girl with the ability to see the future, Enoch learned of the previously mentioned Bad Future and took measures to prevent it.
Using a time Monolith (MacGuffin that can teleport people through... well, time), Enoch kidnaps the central SHIELD agents and sends them to the year 2091, having been told by Robin that showing them the Bad Future will give them the information they need to prevent it. Of course, he doesn't actually tell them any of this, freezing them before sticking them in a room with the Monolith to teleport them. Also, he neglects to kidnap poor confused/already-traumatized-from-a-previous-event Fitz, who Robin didn't predict traveling to the future.
When Fitz manages to hunt him down, Enoch explains what he did, and after Robin gives him another prophecy now showing Fitz in the future, gladly assists him in traveling there by cryogenically freezing him. Once he wakes up in 2091, Enoch disguises the two of them as "marauders" to infiltrate the Kree superhuman auction, helping to gather together the scattered SHIELD agents (who are none too pleased to see the son of a bitch who kidnapped them). While the agents take care of the Kree rulers Enoch prepares the time machine so they can return to the present, and upon being mortally wounded uses himself as a battery for the machine.
Fast-forward to the end of the season, the world is saved and Fitz is dead. However, because of the method in which Fitz used to time travel (cryogenically freezing himself instead of just being transported by the Monolith), there are still-alive versions of Fitz and Enoch in the present. If that doesn't make sense: fuck you, that's why. Time travel, deal with it.
Anyways, as the timeline is changed, Enoch and the frozen Fitz are attacked, the two having to go on the run out in space as they try to find a safe spot to freeze Fitz again, unaware that the future's been saved. After a few misadventures (including tricking a bunch of asshole aliens into getting sucked out their own airlock), the two end up on what's basically "Vegas: The Planet." Here, Enoch starts getting on the increasingly-exasperated Fitz's nerves, calling him his "best friend" and losing a card game because the poor synthezoid is a bit naive, trusting his opponent when he blatantly lies and says he has a losing hand.
Anyways, due to shenanigans, a Chronicom Hunter is sent after the two and Enoch realizes that he's been decommissioned. He falls into a bit of (hilarious) despair before being snapped out of it by Jemma, who's come to space to find Fitz... who's been captured by the Chronicoms. Enoch eventually meets with the Chronicom leader, Atarah, and learns that their homeworld has been destroyed. The Chronicoms want to figure out how SHIELD time traveled in order to prevent the loss of their planet, though go through very Stupid Evil tactics to do so. Enoch manages save Fitz's life, convincing Atarah that he's their best option to figure out time travel... and, after a bit of hesitation, states that endangering Jemma is the best way to get him to comply.
While he complies with Atarah he's obviously very uncomfortable with endangering Fitz and Jemma, objecting to using a weird mind-reader thing that risks melting their brains. He eventually has enough and rebels, incapacitating the other Chronicoms before freeing Fitz and Jemma, setting off to recruit other Chronicom Anthropologists to oppose the Hunters.
... Unfortunately, the first Anthropologist he talks to has been "reassigned" to be a Hunter and attacks Enoch. Fortunately, Enoch kills him, steals his skin, and infiltrates the Chronicom forces to rescue Fitz and Jemma again.
Having stolen a "time stream," a Chronicom device that can predict timelines, Enoch takes Fitz and Simmons to a safe place where they can prepare against the Chronicom invasion of earth, spending years working on their plan and time machine. Also raising a kid, because you might as well. Once they're ready, Enoch and Jemma return to the time they left, picking up the rest of SHIELD and traveling to the past to stop the Chronicoms. Fitz stays behind to coordinate the mission, Jemma having a device in her head blocking her memory of Fitz's location so the Chronicoms can't see into her brain and find out where he is.
Enoch mostly serves in a support role to the team, providing science-stuff before getting stranded in New York during the 1930's. He reunites with SHIELD in the 70's, and helps stop the Chronicom-HYDRA Big Bad Duumvirate's current plot to launch Project Insight early. Settling back into a support role, Enoch becomes relevant again when SHIELD gets stuck in a "Groundhog Day" Loop. Needing information in Jemma's head to get out of the loop (information blocked by the thing blocking her memory of Fitz), the team is met with a bit of resistance from Enoch, who's been programmed (without his knowledge) to protect the mental block with lethal force. They go through a few time loops without success as Enoch absolutely murders them, half of the team eventually managing to keep him occupied on the other side of the time-ship while they get the device out of Jemma.
Unfortunately, the thingy they now know they need to escape the loop is basically Enoch's heart... which he gives with zero hesitation once they tell him. Enoch dies saving SHIELD, content that he was and always will be their friend.
Of course, that's not the end of his influence. Fast-forward to the finale (the 1980's), and the Chronicom-HYDRA alliance launches an invasion of earth, destroying most of the SHIELD bases. A few of the surviving agents meet up with the core team, bringing with them devices they were given by their parents or grandparents. Enoch, when he was stranded in time, scattered pieces of a mini-time machine by entrusting them with SHIELD personnel, setting up protocols so that if the Chronicoms invaded the pieces were brought to his friends. They assemble the time machine, Fitz travels through, and within maybe an hour they initiate the rest of Fitz, Enoch, and Jemma's plan. The invasion is foiled, the Chronicoms are programmed to be good, and the SHILED agents return to their original timeline.
Is he magnificent?
Dear lord, yes. Enoch is easily one of the most popular characters in the show, for his Adorkable Comically Serious nature and genuine friendship with Fitz. He's also easily one of the smartest: he, Jemma, and Fitz come up with an ultimately successful plan to foil the Chronicom leader (whose entire schtick is being able to predict the future), and judging by Fitz's dialogue once he reunites with the team there was only one major deviation from that plan - something easily rectified due to the HYDRA leader's stupidity. While he can be naive, he more than makes up for it in any situation that doesn't involve gambling, easily evading and outsmarting his enemies.
He sacrifices himself with absolutely no hesitation to save both the world and his friends, and puts up with their inattention (leaving him in New York for 4 decades, mostly by accident) with grace.
Is he a bastard?
Here's the problem: Enoch, at the end of the day, is most definitely on the side of the angels. He's not perfect, though:
I don't know. Enoch's weird, but whether he meets the criteria is up to you all. Thoughts?
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on May 29th 2021 at 8:40:04 AM