Duplicate tropes discussion thread

that sounds pretty good. a question, if an alien seems to be enjoying themselves on Earth, even on the most mundane things, that is Klingons Love Sheakspeare?

That's probably closer to Foreign Culture Fetish?

it sounds more like it applies to mundane earth culture. unless the concept were to be expanded to fictional extraterrestrials.

What's the difference between Solar and Lunar and Night and Day Duo?

One is symbolism in general the other is comparison between two characters.

Right, Solar and Lunar is the broader supertrope for the wider concept while Night and Day Duo is about foils who embody those things.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 7th 2022 at 2:11:34 PM

Not every contrast between sun and moon involves two characters, and not every contrast between night and day is specifically about the sun and moon (I could see it applying to light/dark or sleep/wakefulness or the sun and nighttime stars or some other thing).

It is Male Sun, Female Moon that I felt was redundant, but that ship has sailed.

Funnily enough when drafting Night and Day Duo I originally did state the gender roles in the description before people argued that it was too specific to specific mythologies and I removed it. Then that trope appeared.

Now if I had my way Analysis.Solar And Lunar or Analysis.Night And Day Duo would just have a section on gender roles:

• Sun can be masculine because...
• Sun can be feminine because...
• Moon can be masculine because...
• Moon can be feminine because...

But that's the lumper v. splitter thing.

hard agree, but i'm a lumper

I guess I agree, though as the person who created Night and Day Duo I'm not sure if such an analysis would've made sense unless it was part of a much broader analysis of the concept.

What is the difference between Battle Thralls and Slave Mooks if both terms can be almost interchangeable? i want to add Battle Thralls to the Combine Transhuman Soldiers folder, but i don't know if it'll overlap with Slave Mooks.

Edited by Cardboardguy on Sep 7th 2022 at 12:15:45 PM

Battle Thralls includes several types, Slave Mooks is one of them. Not all Battle Thralls are slaves.

oh yeah! i also want to clarify another thing, which should i add to the Half Life 2 Combine page? because someone revealed to me that Breen's quote to Eli actually was even more surprising than i thought:

"Carbon stars with ancient satellites colonized by sentient fungi. Gas giants inhabited by vast meteorological intelligences. Worlds stretched thin across the membranes where [the] dimensions intersect... Impossible to describe with our limited vocabulary!"

this person said that the Gas Giants are actually alive, if the very clouds they are composed of, are intelligences, as defined by Meteorology: "the branch of science concerned with the processes and phenomena of the atmosphere, especially as a means of forecasting the weather."

if this is the case, what should be more appropriate to add? 1) Hijacking Cthulhu 2) Captured Super Entity 3) Always A Bigger Fish

or others? i apologize if this is the wrong place, i actually want to highlight this finding.

What's the difference between The Cast Showoff and "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune when it comes to anime-related stuff? It seems like they both cover the trend where "voice actors for an anime-related media sings a theme song of that anime".

Looking at The Cast Showoff page and DoItYourselfThemeTune.Anime page, there are indeed similar/overlapping examples such as these if you do a quick search of names on both:

• Ai Maeda and Digimon Adventure
• Megumi Hayashibara and Slayers
• Aya Hirano and Haruhi Suzumiya
• Nana Mizuki and Lyrical Nanoha and Symphogear
• The main girls in Monster Musume

Just curious because I once added a The Cast Showoff trivia example on a certain work's Trivia page years ago, but now I think it should instead go to "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune, which is an objective trope.

I don’t believe The Cast Showoff applies to non-diegetic, or at least non-in-universe performances.

• Voice actor sings the theme song: "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune (probs should be trivia honestly)
• Voice actor sings for the character in the episode’s Talent Show: The Cast Showoff

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 9th 2022 at 11:51:46 AM

Also, I believe "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune doesn't just include voice actors, but anybody on the show's staff. So the show creator singing the theme tune would count as well.

Is the difference between The Tag and The Stinger that the latter occurs after some or all of the end credits have played (making it skippable)?

I've never heard of "the tag" but it does seem to just be another version of the "credits scene" and I teel like the two can just be lumped together no problem. (I mean I know what it is but I've never heard the term before)

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 11th 2022 at 1:50:41 PM

• The Tag: during end credits
• The Stinger: after end credits

Lost in Imitation versus Audience-Coloring Adaptation versus Pop-Cultural Osmosis?

If I understand them correctly:

• Lost in Imitation: Compounding Adaptation Deviation because a new work in a series/franchise takes most of its inspiration from a previous adaptation rather than the original source material. e.g. a character is given an Adaptational Villainy in a particular adaptation. Subsequent adaptations portray the character as a villain even though they are a heroic character in the original.
• Audience-Coloring Adaptation: The audience perception of a work/character comes from the adaptation rather than source material. e.g. most fans of a series think the lead character has blonde hair and blue eyes due to the actor playing them, even though the original source describes them as being brunette with green eyes.
• Pop Culture Osmosis: Something becomes well-known through references by other works, parodies, etc. rather from the direct source. e.g. someone who never watch a Star Wars media still knows a lot about the story from other works refencing it.

Edited by Adept on Sep 11th 2022 at 11:55:42 PM

I think Go Seduce My Archnemesis is the same as Honey Trap

I think Go Seduce My Archnemesis is specifically for characters with established relationships with the hero or villain, while Honey Trap is for cases where the character is in business for themselves or working on behalf of a larger, impersonal group.

If that's what it's supposed to be, Go Seduce My Archnemesis is being misused since several examples are just "a character was sent to seduce someone else" without that character being in a romantic relationship with the enemy of the target. (there's also the question of whether that's a tropeworthy split.)

I'll add it to my personal list of tropes needing a wick check.

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 13th 2022 at 11:39:28 AM