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Done, now what about Futurama?
Okay, so shows that are aimed at kids but have the same rating as The Simpsons (TV-PG) such as Total Drama and Regular Show? I've noticed such pages written as if their shows were rated TV-Y or TV-Y7. Obviously there's going to be some mature humor in these shows since they have the PG rating. Should these pages even exist, and if so, what would be a good starting point against which to measure stuff that should have gotten it a TV-14 rating or higher?
Also, what's the verdict on "OMG they said a word that could be considered a swear word under the loosest definition!" type things in general, like saying "crap" or "suck"? I really don't think these belong on the TV-PG or higher pages, but what about lower ratings? TV-Y?
edited 22nd Oct '13 4:55:11 PM by PPPSSC
Those are not Radar. If every show gets away with them, then they are not subject to censorship, ergo there is no Radar to pass.
I would honestly say the PG rating is a sign that they DIDN'T get away with it.
The rating system and/or targeted audience gives the range of radar that needs to be gotten past. One of the reasons the "Birds of Prey" song from Batman: The Brave and the Bold is such a whopper of an example is it's a definite marketed-to-a-specific-demographic kids' show with a song that has some definite innuendo in wording and animation that is not in any way the kind of thing that rating should have let through. (The radar probably shut down in self-defense.)
On the other hand, the words 'crap' or 'darn' on a show with The Simpsons' rating don't qualify because a lot of shows from different companies in that rating range allow that.
There's also that TV Shows specifically (and maybe some book series) are assigned a rating, and then are (generally) expected to stay in that rating. Which means a very precise radar involved once that rating is set.
Of course, there's also Disney's particular radar. If they or another company don't allow particular things in its media products, period, that's another level of radar that has to be gotten through before the rating and audience radar is even met.
Speaking of that, how do we handle books considering most countries don't have a ratings board for lit?
The standards of the publisher would be my first to-look-at, there.
After the publisher, I'd look at the official target audience. (Pulls examples out of thin air.) I'd expect the radar to be much more intense for The Babysitters' Club then for The Kadinnote Beatrice Small. Historical romance fiction. Doesn't have a page.
edited 23rd Oct '13 5:20:45 AM by Candi
My idea of radar for books would be the section of the store that they are in. If they're in the kids' section, they ought not to be using the Seven Dirty Words. If they're in the Young Adult section, that's a different standard. And if they're in general fiction, that's a much broader standard. Finally, we have the Erotica/Adult sections.
Winx Club has a really bad page. It's an Italian kids cartoon, but the stuff is still pretty tame. I'm not sure what to do though.
If the examples are very poor, then delete them, with a note to see this thread.
I was wondering if this is graphic enough to count(it is a all ages comic):
That seems like Toilet Humor to me, but is it really something a Radar would catch?
We were discussing the example in Ask The Tropers — a nasty bruise like that is certainly not Radar material, but it might qualify as Family-Unfriendly Violence if MLP doesn't typically show injuries of that nature.
It's also not nearly graphic enough to qualify for Eye Scream.
edited 24th Oct '13 11:20:25 AM by Fighteer
Even though this isn't to do with the cleanup issue, I'm waiting for an opening in TRS so I can start a thread on it after the one I opened here last year got a non-workable crowner and circled the drain for months. I do think it needs cleanup for examples but I also don't believe it should exist in the state it is either being a weird Freud Was Right cum Accidental Innuendo overthinking exercise so just making sure people know there will be one.
I don't see how that's Eye Scream, either. A blackened eye doesn't count for ES any more than it does GCPtR.
It's more implication, if you look at the rest of the comic that eye pretty screwed, she can't even open it all the way anymore(and think there's a little trickle of Black Blood there). I think it's actually been disfigured somehow.
edited 24th Oct '13 12:26:43 PM by shoboni
Anyway, what do we want to do with the pages for things like Futurama and the Simpsons?
edited 24th Oct '13 12:27:46 PM by shoboni
Since Simspsons is only PG should we make sure there's nothing acceptable on it's page first?
Yeah, probably a good idea.
I'll copy the page contents here for review
You might be wondering why a show like The Simpsons would have a Getting Crap Past the Radar page, seeing as how it's not supposed to be for kids in the first place note despite that when The Simpsons first became a 30-minute animated sitcom, a lot of Moral Guardians protested against Bart's subversive behavior and condemned the show as trash because people were still accustomed to thinking that cartoons were for children — despite that there were adult cartoons prior to The Simpsons, such as The Flintstones, Wait Till Your Father Gets Home, and Fritz the Cat, bright colors and crude, childlike character designs nonwithstanding.
Thing is, it's still subtle enough about its dirtiest, most subversive moments that some consider it still acceptable enough at least for older kids, since even kids who realize that it's a dirty show probably don't realize just how dirty it is.
Sounds like the show is in a constant war to get as edgy as it can, but it also sounds like the radar is pretty strict with it. A lot of that — implied homosexuality, swearing, and sexual references — would qualify as Parental Bonus more than Radar, though. Probably needs a fine-toothed comb applied, particularly if some of the jokes would work better as other tropes.
For example, we have Something Else Also Rises, so anything that belongs there should go there, not Radar — that trope is specifically for subtle (or not-so-subtle) erection jokes.
edited 24th Oct '13 1:44:57 PM by Fighteer
I'll see about moving some of the ones I know go into other tropes tonight.
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