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Common problems include:
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
No, the other one.
I axed the Truth in Television folder on Broke Episode, since that was just generic "examples". Shouldn't have real life examples anyway, though.
Don't have more time atm.
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No, the other one.
Okay, more time.
Awful British Sex Comedy doesn't even have examples. It has associated tropes. Probably doesn't need to be listed.
All the Good Men Are Gay is clearly about sexuality, and also morality/gossip, whichever you think "good" fits under.
"The Villain Sucks" Song is about people the song characterises as villains (or close enough). As such, it's fictional. However, it does imply (with the countertrope "The Hero Sucks" Song) the villain can't sing one of these about the heroes, which puts it back as a morality trope if applied to real people. In other words, if the character isn't portrayed as a villain outside the song, it doesn't count as an example. My verdict is that it should be NRLEP.
New trope: No Koreans In Japan. There's a TRS thread about it, and I brought it up there, but no one said anything, and I'm not sure if anything's going to be done there, so while I hesitate to bring it up here due to potential future changes, it's still problematic. Mostly in that about all examples are about some Japanese celebrity who happens to be Korean. Those that aren't are generic, and one tangental essay-like note about history. None of these say anything about the actual trope.
Edit: Villain-by-Proxy Fallacy. Now, this isn't strictly about villains as it is about people portraying others about villains. There are three examples. Two of them (with improper indention) are general "examples", and the last one basically explains the trope from one point of view, then turns around and calls them hypocrites. So while there aren't enough examples to really form a basis for any patterns, I'd still call that problematic of the nattery nature, and a potential for flame wars. More technically, it's also said to be a subtrope of Knight Templar, which is listed as NRLEP.
edited 9th Sep '15 8:40:40 AM by AnotherDuck
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No, the other one.
The crowner is the entire thing, including all entries. For a crowner to be replaced, all entries on it have to be called and finished so that it can be replaced with a new one. Adding new entries only makes that take longer, since they have to be called first, which takes at least a few days.
Singular entries aren't removed. At most, faulty entries (like doubles) are blanked out.
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Oh, sorry, thought a mod could remove them, never mind.
Greed is a trope? Seriously?
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Isn't that PSoC?
edited 9th Sep '15 1:33:17 PM by desdendelle
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No, the other one.
@Catbert: Yeah, I was a bit surprised to discover it. Seems to me like a supertrope where you'd actually list a more-specific subtrope but that's outside the scope of this thread.
Anyway, yeah pride definitely should be a candidate.
Forgot to return to this thread. What do people think of Misanthrope Supreme?
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People Sit on Chairs. Things that happen incidentally in the story with no real meaning to it, such as people sitting on chairs.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Normally, I don't like No Real Life Examples Please, but for this case, I'll make an exception.
If You Kill Him, You Will Be Just Like Him! has a bit too much invoking of Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment and People Sit On Chairs.
"This is a common argument against the death penalty, and that's all that needs to be said about this issue."
"Suffice it to say that this trope appears in debates over the use of violent measures in combating terrorism, or in any wartime situation, and leave it at that."
It somewhat borders on ZCE too.
edited 14th Sep '15 10:17:20 AM by Psyga315
No, the other one.
I axed the Real Life section on If You Kill Him, You Will Be Just Like Him!. Generic "examples" are not allowed, and that's all that was there.
That said, there's flamebait potential. On the other hand, it's also something of a consideration or argument that can potentially be applied in real life, so it's not about us applying morality on real people.
Personally, I'm good with leaving it as it is unless more problems arise.
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I got impatient for a new crowner and added All the Good Men Are Gay to it.
Also, someone added Suicide by Sea to the crowner, I thought I would just mention that.
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You know what the best way to prevent a new crowner is? Keep adding things to the current one.
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Someone went to ATT about an example on TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Real Life, comparing the last example (and I assume that he meant the one at the bottom of the page) to hate speech, so I;d thought it's a good idea to check that out.
On a side if Greed and pride are on the crowner then I'd like to nominate the rest of the Sins, (so Lazy Bum, Big Eater, Green-Eyed Monster, Lust and Unstoppable Rage for the sins themselves and Villainous Glutton, Lust Object and Omnicidal Maniac as related tropes [and fitting the respective sin as we see it better])
edited 17th Sep '15 11:07:18 PM by MorningStar1337
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Suicide by Sea: Too common to trope?
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Okay I added the rest of the sins to the crowner. But I didn't add TRYSS becuase I'm certain we came to a consensus regarding the Mr Enter page and because It is only one example that seeds to be looked at thus far.
I think we've got a new record for crowner entries here.
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"Unstoppable Rage: Sin." Huh? Now, if you wanna go with too common to trope, I may go for that.
edited 19th Sep '15 12:04:32 AM by ACW
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It was the linked for the sin of Wrath but Too Common To Trope works as well.
On a side, I used the term sin because the trope directly ties into the Seven Deadly Sins (again, wrath in the case of Unstoppable Rage) I'd rather that outside the context of the Seven that other tropes should not be added on religious grounds.
edited 19th Sep '15 12:34:14 AM by MorningStar1337
No, the other one.
Superpowered Evil Side has been added by someone without notice.
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Though I'll wait until there's a new crowner to add it, I think All the Good Men Are Gay should be NRLEP, due to both the Unfortunate Implications of it and the fact that it doesn't really work in real life (find one straight guy that can be considered good, and suddenly real life stops being an example)
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