Trope Description Improvement Drive

The second and third paragraphs were added to the description for Beleaguered Boss. Does it needs reverting?

I actually like the addition; If it'd been brought up here I probably would have supported it.

Is it just me, or is the description of Secret Identity more than a little long and sort of... Schiziod? Some things that I noticed:

• Feels like the page used to be specific to Superheroes, and was then expanded. Much of the Super-specific language was left, with just some slightly broader paragraphs thrown in.
• The page seems to be trying to be No Straight Examples, Please!, but is not listed there. Also, the OPEs don't seem to be following this at all.
• Many of the claimed "Subtropes" seem a little off to me - there are other types of trope relationship.

I reverted a seemingly-unilateral deletion of the description text on Catholic School Girls Rule, but that description is pretty long and could use a trim (that doesn't get rid of the context behind the trope as the previous edit did, but just summarizes it better).

I'd agree that it goes on at length... creepily, given the subject matter. Paragraphs 2 and 3 could probably be merged and cut almost in half, for starters. Paragraph 1 could probably be trimmed to a single sentence.

Paragraph 4 might belong on an analysis page, as might the leavings of trimming down the others.

Paragraph 7 — mostly just shorten up the phrasing, and move the Joshikousei reference down tot the compare-to entries. The Mormon Boy spear counterpart thing: do we have an actual trope for that?

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Apr 14th 2021 at 9:04:52 AM

I'm willing to try to trim down the Secret Identity description, but only if others agree that it could use it. Also, should concerns about the related-tropes list go over on the "defining Trope relationships" thread?

I have never heard of Mormon boys being fetishized (unless you count Orgazmo...), so that feels like someone projecting their own weird fetish, especially with that "arguably" thrown in for good measure. I think that can just be cut.

The description of The Man They Couldn't Hang makes it sound like it's only about someone who survived a hanging, but I believe it can apply to surviving any form of execution because Tropes Are Flexible. Should the description be re-written to make this clear?

There are a few examples of other means, so the description should acknowledge that. And it's off-topic for this thread, but the video example belongs on Bungled Suicide.

I don't think any particular schoolboy uniform gets sexualised to any comparable extent, so I agree it should go.

I would like to edit Cartoony Tail a bit, mostly to cut the seven hyperlinks to Real Life down to one, and to put all dinosaurs in the past tense, along with minor cleanup.

The description for A True Story in My Universe is only two sentences long.

The description for High-Speed Battle needs some work. It mentions in the first paragraph that, copy-pasting, "the player and an enemy have jumped into vehicles and continue to duke it out", basically implying that only vehicle examples count. However, it also states that characters who possess Super-Speed also count...in the last sentence of the description.

My proposal is to change the description from this:

Fixed. Now is the new description okay to go?

Edited by I--Vanya--I on Apr 23rd 2021 at 7:39:58 PM

Enumerating a specific number of "possible iterations" seems like it's missing the forest for the trees. The particular reason for which our combatants engage each other at high speed is a mere detail; the core of the trope is the fact that they're doing so.

i.e. Change that from "Three possible iterations exist" to "Some possible iterations include"

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 23rd 2021 at 11:22:52 AM

As I mentioned here in ATT, the trope description for Expy never explicitly says that a character can only be an expy of one character, despite this being a pretty widely-accepted restriction of the trope which is hinted at throughout the description (via the insistent use of the singular "a character").

It IS given as a rule in the Expy cleanup thread, but it would help if it was mentioned on the trope page itself. Should I go ahead and add it? Perhaps something like this:

Sounds like a good addition to me.

> In the absence of confirmation, Arc Welding is YMMV

That... sure is a weird line to have on a trope that's not actually tagged as YMMV.

That line actually pre-dates the page's history.

Maybe a holdover from the early days?

Probably when YMMV was more of a catchphrase than a category.

The description on Questionable Consent seem to lean too heavily into the sexual aspect of the trope (like more than half of the page's description is rambling about intercourse), even though the basic definition covers other non-sexual agreements as well.

As brought up in this Trope Talk thread, The Stars Are Going Out has a seemingly out-of-place short story. What should be done about this?

It's got a decent enough description under all that, so I'd say just cut the top paragraphs.

Is my edit right?

The description on Animated Films is rather weird in my opinion

Okay, so, since I received no response, are my proposed edits for High-Speed Battle okay to go?

I already included the wingedcatgirl's suggestions into my proposal, and now I'm awaiting the approval to edit.

I'd cut out the "[Xth] version" stuff. So:

• The player chasing the boss, with the intent of stopping them for one reason or another.
• The player being chased by the boss, with the intent of escaping.
• The player and boss fighting while chased by an Advancing Wall of Doom in a kind of Interesting Situation Duel.

Randomized Damage Attack TRS was just morgued.

Consensus is on changing the description to reflect the idea of "A specific attack whose gimmick is that it has a far wider range of damage than most other attacks."

Help?

Also, putting this out of the Morgued thread, so I can unfollow it: