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  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • "Everyone Loves Ivy" is this to both those happy with Poison Ivy's turn to Anti-Hero and those who felt she ended up Easily Forgiven. Ivy commits a massive case of Well-Intentioned Extremist by brainwashing the entire world, she is still shown to be acting out of severe guilt over the innocent deaths she caused in the past and is painted as a tragic victim more than a monstrous villain. With Harley's help, Batman and Catwoman are able to save her, with Batman telling her that she's not a villain and being sent to a trauma centre to recover. While not everyone is fully satisfied, it's agreed to have been a decent way to appease both sides.
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    • The Prelude to the Wedding tie-ins cover the reactions of some of the Batfamily to the wedding, something that had been been largely absent in the main book.
  • Awesome Art:
    • Mikel Janin's art is thoroughly praised, particularly his layouts.
    • Mitch Gerads' brief stint was also highly praised, with his art being considered incredibly versatile in how it switches between dark noir and romantic tones.
    • Lee Weeks has been doing some of the best work of his career.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Gotham Girl. Some dislike her, as they feel fatigued at yet another young crimefighter joining Batman. Some don't think she's been developed well enough to warrant being the catalyst for the second and third arcs. Others, however, find her story to be appropriately tragic, and that she brings out Batman's best qualities in the end.
    • Poison Ivy. There is considerable debate over whether or not Ivy's Heel–Face Turn and her portrayal of guilt over the people she killed in War of Jokes and Riddles make sense. Some argue that Ivy's a Well-Intentioned Extremist and an Anti-Hero, while others point out other canon stories in which she's been more willing to kill.
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  • Breather Episode: Issues #36 and #37, significantly light-hearted fare for a Modern Age Batman comic that focus on exploring his and Superman's longstanding friendship, have No Antagonist and take the time to show that as different as they are, they're also Not So Different.
  • Broken Base: Catwoman knowing Superman's identity. It's either a major breaking of the Suspension of Disbelief and just heavily cheapens Superman's need for an identity or a more realistic evolution of Catwoman's skills.
  • Character Rerailment: Early oddities aside, Selina's depiction as someone who understands Bruce at his core and accepts him flaws intact is also a welcome return to form for a character that spent most of the New 52 having rooftop flings and being lectured by Batman.
    • Bane is depicted as both cunning (manipulating Batman into shooing away the Robins) and as an absolute powerhouse, beating down Batman in a Curb-Stomp Battle, disregarding his long-standing portrayal as Dumb Muscle.
  • Critical Dissonance: Batman #50. Reviewers who had read the issue in full before being spoiled had a lot of praise for the writing and delivery of the story. Meanwhile, fans who had been spoiled by the NY Times article were far more cynical.
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  • Die for Our Ship: With several arcs focusing on the Batman and Catwoman engagement, there has been considerable hostility from those who ship Batman/Talia Al Ghul, or Batman/Wonder Woman. Not helping matters is that King has included both of those characters, portraying Talia as a villain (a characterization that's been around since Grant Morrison's run), and Wonder Woman as a fleeting attraction.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Kite Man, for how simultaneously badass yet pathetic he is. He's shown to be surprisingly effective, but he's still a lame D-lister. His catchphrase also really helped. Notably, he actually got A Day in the Limelight, when Tom King gave him a new origin... which furthered his popularity for how well-written and tragic it was.
  • Growing the Beard: Despite the early mixed reception (see above), the general consensus is that "Rooftops" showed King off at his best, with a lot of pay off on "I am Suicide", a great depiction of the Batman/Catwoman relationship as well as the less hand-holdy narrative King is known for.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: Kite Man's oft-quoted Catchphrase after Issue #27 reveals its origin: it's a tribute to Kite Man's son, who was murdered by the Riddler.
  • Internet Backdraft:
    • "I am Suicide" had the premise that, among other things, Selina Kyle had killed over 200 people and was scheduled to be executed, with Batman being the one who brought her in for the murders. Her fans, and fans of the Bat/Cat ship, were not amused, with insults and threats being hurled at writer Tom King, and fans were just puzzled on what would lead Selina to kill so many people, even after it was revealed that the people were terrorists who blew up her old orphanage. Funnily enough, while he didn't condone the behaviour, he did encourage the Fanon Discontinuity and Fridge Logic taking place, as this was the mindset that Batman himself had, and in fact, it's revealed she didn't kill anyone; she was covering for Holly Robinson.
    • Not so much towards the book, but rather the writer. Tom King posted a half-serious Batfamily combat rankings list that enraged fans to no extent, prompting other writers to get in on the fun as well. Some of the controversial picks included ranking both Cassandra Cain and Dick Grayson over Batman himself, and putting Jason Todd and Tim Drake below some notable female characters. To add insult to injury, he also jokingly ranked Jason below Ace the Bathound in terms of intelligence.
    • In Batman Annual #2, every one of Bruce's sidekicks, including ones from alternate timelines like Carrie Kelly and Helena Wayne, are by Bruce's side on his deathbed... except Cassandra Cain. To say that her fans were unhappy is putting it lightly, especially since she'd been left out of several group shots in the book already.
    • Several fans of the Batman and Wonder Woman ship have taken to harassing Tom King on Twitter due to an unfavorable portrayal of the ship in Batman #39.
    • From Batman #42, Catwoman taking down the three Flashes in quick succession has stirred up a lot of anger from people. Even though the justification was that the three speedsters were mind-controlled by Poison Ivy, and the issue established earlier that Ivy has trouble utilizing superpowers when controlling metahumans, many people found it hard to swallow that the brainwashing would make a speedster so much weaker that Catwoman could defeat three of them, all by herself.
    • The New York Times revealing what happens in Batman #50, that Batman and Catwoman don't get married, that Catwoman freaks out at the idea that Bruce being happy taking away Batman's grim and grittiness, thus they shouldn't get married really pissed off fans because of the enforced Status Quo Is God being put into place again. It doesn't help that this is revealed a mere week or two after X-Men: Gold had Kitty Pryde and Colossus cancel their wedding, though this was salvaged with Gambit and Rogue finally getting hitched. That Catwoman didn't go through with the marriage because she's an Unwitting Pawn in Bane's plan to emotionally break Batman doesn't help either. Also not helping matters is Tom King's explanation for the twist, stating that he wanted to explore the idea of a Batman given the chance at happiness via marriage and having it taken away. The problem with that is that it's happened before. Plenty of times. In fact, it happened during Superheavy, Scott Snyder's last major Batman storyline before Tom King took over and is a big part of the Phantasm's backstory in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. King received death threats, to the point where he had to be accompanied by security at San Diego Comic Con. Ultimately, King did apologize, not for the spoilered event, but for the fact that it was spoiled as he wanted the issue to invoke rage and that soothing salve after everything. Instead, the way the Times spoiled it lead to five days of fans seething in rage before the issue ultimately came out.
    • Issue #55 and Nightwing getting shot in the head by a sniper has not been received well at all. This is partly due to the fact that everyone and their mother knows that Dan DiDio hates Nightwing, but also the fact that the fallout is being handled by Scott Lobdell, who is very much disliked due to his history of sexual harassment and his critically panned runs on Teen Titans, Superman, and Red Hood and the Outlaws.
    • "Everyone Loves Ivy" has started to gain this in hindsight after Ivy was killed off in Heroes in Crisis, when it became obvious the story was simply an excuse for Ivy to be sent off to Sanctuary so she would be Stuffed in the Fridge and used as a plot device. Fans began to draw this conclusion after controversy over the cover for the seventh issue of Heroes in Crisis, which featured Ivy's bloody corpse propped up in a sexualized pose, began. They started to connect the dots and have become disgusted Ivy's guilt over her actions and desire to seek help were going to end with her getting gunned down and used as motivation for Harley Quinn.
    • Tom King being removed from the title at issue #85 instead of finishing out his entire story has drawn a tremendous amount of backlash.
      • Much of it was due to reports that the main reason was because Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras simply didn't like it, believing that it was too esoteric. Many found this extremely hypocritical, given that Harras is well-known for practicing nepotism, keeping his friends like Scott Lobdell despite near-universal disgust and consistently poor reception, and protecting known sexual harassers like Lobdell and editor Eddie Berganza.
      • Another rumor is simply that the higher ups just ultimately got cold feet for Tom King's plans for Batman, despite having previously greenlit an event that would change Batman for generations note . This is a bit backed up by the tepid reception and relatively poor sales, for an event, of Heroes in Crisis. It should be noted that King is also known as being stubborn and digging his heels, this is relevant as King used a lot of editorial goodwill when he directly forced Mark Doyle, the previous Batman editor, off the book.
        • It was ultimately revealed that none of these were the answer - he requested and DC granted letting him step out of the book due to taking up one too many projects.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Bat. Cat. Bat. Cat. Bat. Cat." Used to mock some of the repetitive dialogue, as well as the pet names Batman and Catwoman use to address each other.
    • "Kite Man. Hell yeah.", Kite-man's catchphrase gained popularity as he ascended to Ensemble Dark Horse, in part because of its tragic story. Nowadays it's not uncommon to see Kite-Man related comments on the internet without someone else replying "Hell Yeah".
    • "Knightfall of the Heart" or "Knightfall 2: Emotional Boogaloo", in reference to King's interview in which he explains that he's setting up a spiritual sequel/homage to the original Knightfall, this time with Bane wanting to emotionally break Batman, and doing so by manipulating an unwitting Catwoman into leaving him at the altar.
  • Narm:
    • Bruce and Selina calling each other "Bat" and "Cat", respectively. It's meant to be endearing but mostly comes across as weird.
    • Batman repeating the same Badass Boast about taking down Bane if he refuses to let him take Psycho Pirate back to Gotham over and over even when he's by himself.
    • Some people have taken issue with King's use of Dave Gibbons' 9-panel layout, saying it's overdone and reduces the impact of otherwise powerful moments.
    • During the "War of Jokes and Riddles" arc the Riddler is shot by the Joker after he rejects his offer of joining forces to take on Bats. After recovering, he takes a shard of glass and carves a question mark into his chest, with the gunshot wound as the period. While supposed to be a dramatic moment, this was seen by many as unintentionally funny and a blatant attempt at making the Riddler Darker and Edgier. It doesn't help that during the rest of the storyline, the Riddler walks around with an open shirt for no apparent reason other than to show off his new scars.
    • In Batman #42, Catwoman is somehow able to take out two Flashes and Kid Flash by herself. Even though the justification was that the three speedsters were mind-controlled by Poison Ivy, and the issue established earlier that Ivy has trouble utilizing superpowers when controlling metahumans, the fact that someone without powers was able to so effortlessly defeat the fastest heroes in the world came off as ridiculous to a lot of people.
    • War of Jokes and Riddles features a scene of Kite Man holding Mr. Freeze while flying, helping him to ice the streets for whatever reason. His villainous bragging is cut off by a Batarang impacting his helmet, prompting him to respond "Oh. I see. We're going to lose."
  • Narm Charm:
    • Bruce and Selina having sex on a rooftop on a pile of diamonds is completely ridiculous, but somehow works due to the history and love between them, especially how sweetly it was portrayed.
    • Batman defeating Bane on a splash page with a headbutt while saying "I am Batman" is totally cheesy, but boy was it cathartic.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • The first issue has Batman trying to stop a plane from crashing. It's all fun "holy shit, how is he going to get out of this?" And suddenly, we are shown he has no intention of doing so.
    "Mother, father, would they have been proud? Is this a good death?"
    • Swamp Thing completely breaking down once the realization that his father is dead and he will no longer be able to be Alec Holland with him hits. Batman giving him a giant What the Hell, Hero? as he slinks away in shame doesn't help matters.
      • What makes it even worse is that, prior to this moment, Swamp Thing has been rather calm about the situation, stating that life and death are just stages of change and that his father is simply changing into a new state "falling back into the green". Bruce seems to take this notion to heart in regards to his own parents' deaths, believing maybe they exist on in some other form. However, once they find the killer, he notes he killed Swamp Thing's father because he brought up that his son had taught him this philosophy so the killer shot him because he knew answers superheroes don't tell the rest of humanity. Swamp Thing then loses all pretense of calm and murders his father's killer brutally. As Swamp Thing departs, Batman is screaming at him about what this means for his parents with no answer.
    • Bruce's entire demeanor in "Cold Days" after Selina leaves him at the altar. He's practically punishing his Batman persona for essentially ruining his best chance at happiness.
  • Unexpected Character:
    • From "I am Gotham", nobody was expecting to see Psycho-Pirate of all people, given his status as someone tied to the Multiverse and various Crisis and not so much regular Batman stories.
    • A lesser case, but still a major one: Saturn Girl's continued presence in Arkham Asylum. Since she was found in Metropolis and is more tied to Superman, people were expecting her to appear in one of that line's series.


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