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DarkastKiller
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09:01:03 PM Apr 13th 2016
Would this be Just As Much Sense In Context ? And then Ruby dumped a corki 100 cans of dogfood and a can opener for the dog to use out of a small cylinder. Or no? I wanna add it but feel it may not be appropiate.
Wyldchyld
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04:27:55 PM Apr 7th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
I see that Dan asked about whether this trope can be used for a season finale on ATT, but he didn't address my reason for removing this specific entry, and he only received one response (about the index summary, not how this entry fits the specific trope - which is my actual issue).

Note, there are untagged spoilers in my post below the entry.

  • Bittersweet Ending: For the Volume 3 finale. It borders on Downer Ending, because Cinder won: thousands died in the war, humanity is divided by the paranoia, the Grimm took over Beacon (elephants and all), Penny and Yang are out of commission, Pyrrha is DEAD, Team RWBY has split up entirely, and things are almost perfectly going to Cinder's plan... except against all odds, Ruby BEAT Cinder and her ultimate warrior because of her awakened powers singlehandedly, showing that there is a chance for her to win. The episode also ends with her going with the rest of Team JNPR to Haven, which is their only lead for further investigation.


Bittersweet Ending states that the part of the story has been reached where the heroes appear to have succeeded and the celebration should kick in - but it doesn't because no-one feels like celebrating their success.

This season finale does not show the heroes achieving the kind of pyrrhic victory the trope is talking about. The villains flat out win. The Big Good is missing, a hero is dead, the school is ruined, Atlas is being blamed for turning on Vale, communication between all Kingdoms is gone, Vale's population is stated to be frightened and confused, etc. The White Fang are never defeated, they choose to withdraw (because of the dragon, not the heroes). Something mysterious happening to the dragon and taking Cinder by surprise (and we don't know her fate to trope it) doesn't equate to a victory given the villains' goals had been achieved by that point anyway.

The city's survival isn't a victory as it doesn't appear to have ever been the true target (the school was, which even a Volume 1 villain map shows us) and it was being used as an evacuation zone long before even the dragon was stopped. It seemed to be more of a decoy to depopulate the school - something Ozpin seemed to quickly notice, and something Ironwood's implied to later realise. It also seemed to be a way of framing Atlas as the bad guy (something Ironwood definitely realised).

It's a dark cliffhanger, but the fact the city still stands and most of the characters are still alive isn't a "victory", as the true villain makes absolutely clear; she states that her plans are perfectly on track and that what we've just witnessed is merely the "beginning" of her plan, something she's clearly looking forward to having unfold.

Karxrida
05:01:12 PM Apr 7th 2016
I agree there is a lack of "sweet" to say it was a Bittersweet Ending.
Wyldchyld
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11:31:25 AM Mar 4th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
A recent edit to this trope (see the addition of the Note) has made it an Examples Are Not Arguable violation (and the second is a violation of both Example Indentation and Zero Context Examples). We need to agree on whether the trope applies to either character and give both entries much better wording if they do apply.

  • Senseless Sacrifice. Thankfully non-lethal variant in "Never Miss A Beat": Weiss tackles Flynt into a lava plume, in an attempt to take them both out of the game. However, while Weiss' Aura is completely depleted and she's out cold for the remainder of the fight, Flynt is able to get back up again.note 
    • More depressingly lethal when Pyrrha tries to stop Cinder, and accomplishes nothing except dying for it.
Karxrida
11:42:21 AM Mar 4th 2016
The note is Natter and the latter had an actual effect.
Wyldchyld
04:07:41 PM Mar 7th 2016
I'm going to leave this for a couple more days to see if anyone else responds. If not, I'll add it back with the note and second bullet point removed (and clean-up the word cruft, while I'm at it).
bladeofdarkness
11:58:21 PM Mar 10th 2016
I'd argue against the Pyrrha one being a senseless sacrifice. as the Trope page makes it clear what it would take to subvert it.

"For this trope to be subverted does not require that it have been a Heroic Sacrifice. What needs to happen is that the previously "senseless" sacrifice was actually either a Batman Gambit on the martyr's part to create an exploitable weakness for the hero to use later, or doing so by sheer dumb luck."

While she has no way of knowing it at the time, Pyrrha's decision to confront Cinder leads Ruby to the top of the tower, and her death unlocks Ruby's power, which ends up derailing Cinder's plans.

in other words, Her sacrifice directly leads to Cinder's plans being foiled. Hence, not this trope.

Wyldchyld
02:31:20 PM Mar 18th 2016
Okay, I've put the trope back on the page with the following wording:

  • Senseless Sacrifice. In "Never Miss a Beat", Flynt takes down Weiss then prepares to join Neon against Yang. Weiss tackles him into a lava plume, depleting her aura and removing her from the contest. However, Flynt gets back to his feet and remains in the fight.

The note has been removed and the Pyrrha example has not been readded.
PurpleEmperor
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09:56:36 PM Mar 2nd 2016
Out of curiosity, how come Badass was taken out of the character entries?
Wyldchyld
11:28:34 AM Mar 4th 2016
It's under trope repair and is being revamped as a fanspeak term. Even before then, it was always suggested that people choose specific badass tropes and only ever use the generic one if no specific tropes applied.
Zaptech
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03:27:45 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by Zaptech
Another one. This entry was put in under Foreshadowing.

  • When Ozpin and Ruby first meet in "Ruby Rose," he comments that she has silver eyes. Much later, in Volume Three, Ruby also wonders why Ozpin really let her into Beacon early. Then, in the Volume Three finale, Ruby unleashes a massive blast of power from her eyes that freezes the Grimm Dragon, and learns from Qrow that those with silver eyes are destined to become mighty warriors who could kill Grimm with a single look.

Justification for removal was "That also isn't significant foreshadowing, it's just mentioning of plot devices."

Which, as far as I can tell. is the definition of foreshadowing. Mentioning a plot device before it is used. Leading the plot with a burst of exposition. Literally the first sentence of the trope description is "A clue or allusion embedded in the narrative that predicts some later event or revelation."

Ozpin mentions Ruby has silver eyes - the clue or illusion embedded in the narrative. Those silver eyes become relevant later on when the truth of silver-eyed warriors comes out - the later event or revelation.
SilenceInTheLibrary
03:35:08 PM Feb 19th 2016
Is that what you call a "burst of exposition"? Because I can tell you, what you are referring to is not a clue or allusion in any way. It's a single mention with no context.

Imagine if, in Harry Potter, Lupin's "crystal ball" Boggart had never happened, or Snape had never forcibly brought up the issue of werewolves, leaving the only "clue" being that Lupin was ill a lot. A viewer would not be able to tell at all that Lupin's being ill was significant until the revelation of his being a werewolf, and that would negate that as foreshadowing.
Karxrida
03:35:57 PM Feb 19th 2016
...what?
Zaptech
03:41:44 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by Zaptech
Your definition of foreshadowing goes completely against what the actual definition is. The second sentence in the Foreshadowing description page actually says that it can be an offhand comment or action.

"It could be a wayward comment or action, an event that doesn't make sense until later, a Meaningful Name, a rare blood type... so many things can warn us of the future. The foreshadowing may be ominous, or mildly suggestive, or it could merely be Obvious In Hindsight."
SilenceInTheLibrary
03:42:43 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by SilenceInTheLibrary
Foreshadowing needs to be a big enough nugget, is what I'm saying. What is happening here is the equivalent of one character saying "the moon is bright tonight" in one scene of a media series, and many seasons later the moon explodes or reveals itself as an enemy. That would not make the moon comment foreshadowing.

The foreshadowing may be ominous, or mildly suggestive, or it could merely be Obvious In Hindsight.

Ozpin's eye comment is none of those things, at all.
Zaptech
03:48:08 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by Zaptech
No, it doesn't. The Foreshadowing description page outright says that a wayward comment or action can be foreshadowing. Ozpin's statement to Ruby, complete with significant pause afterward, is more than enough. By that trope's definition, it counts.

No, the comment wasn't ominous, mildly suggestive, or Obvious In Hindsight, nor is that really relevant, because the description page says that it "may be" any of those things.

You might not think that it's foreshadowing enough, but that's irrelevant to the trope description. There is no "minimum" fore foreshadowing listed on that page.
SilenceInTheLibrary
03:50:55 PM Feb 19th 2016
Then you and I are going to disagree on this eternally.

You may have been picked up on this, but most people didn't. It's not even a "left field" kind of comment. Most people simply thought Qrow would have silver eyes, because the very next thing he talks about is Qrow, and lo and behold, later in Volumes 1 and 2 Ozpin is shown to know Qrow personally.
Karxrida
04:07:15 PM Feb 19th 2016
It was definitely foreshadowed.
Wyldchyld
07:38:36 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
I agree it was definitely foreshadowed. Whether or not individual fans think it was a good quality foreshadowing is neither here nor there, since that's audience opinion. However, the storyline definitely made a point of making sure fans knew there was something significant about Ruby's eye colour from the very beginning in a scene that kicked off a conversation that led to her being pushed ahead of her age-group by two years.

The link was so obviously a set-up that the fandom has spent three years speculating about what abilities and connection to her mother it meant Ruby would have.
NNinja
05:57:39 AM Feb 20th 2016
Sorry Silence but you're wrong. Foreshadowing is not subjective trope and the fact that Oz mentioned her eyes did suggest that her eyes will be somehow important in the future, whether you like it or not. You may or may not disagree whether it was foreshodowed well or if it was foreshadowed enough, but that's beyond point. Whether you like it or not it's a fact that it was foreshadowed, period. Ozpin mentioned her eyes giving clue that her eye color will be important later, FNDM was discussing this matter for three years, now that we know about it it's obvious that Oz was refering to silver-eyed magic, this is exacly what foreshadowing is. Seeing as 80% of people talking here agree with me i'm putting it back.
Zaptech
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03:21:52 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by Zaptech
Okay, I pulled this entry:

  • Makes Just as Much Sense in Context: An apparently unintentional one by way of Word of God. In the aftermath of Volume 3, Episode 11, it was almost universally theorized to the point of everyone being sure it was canon, that Adam's sword or Semblance could bypass Aura, since this appears to be exactly what happened. The creators describe Adam's attack on Yang as "so badass" it broke through her Aura, rather than ignoring it, and also stated that Yang had been fighting earlier and wasn't at full Aura. This makes the fact of Yang's wound bleeding Aura (Yang's Aura has before been shown to be golden embers, which are seen spilling from the wound), rather than blood, completely bizarre, since she should have had none left. It also makes the previous case of him stabbing Blake and inflicting a blood injury, despite her Aura not having been depleted, rather strange as well, since it was just a normal attack in all senses of the word, since the Aura-depleted animation did not show, and this injury had to be patched up by Sun later the same as Yang's. All in all, this caused an event to make less sense in context than before it was clarified. Admittedly, in Yang's case it was probably the animators wanting to avoid showing such a gory image, but that begs the question of why it was shown at all, and also doesn't explain Blake's wound.

I pulled it because it was a misuse of a trope to complain, as well as just not fitting the trope. Makes Just as Much Sense in Context is when a fully explained event is just as nonsensical as an unexplained event. This entry... is not a case of that, because it's arguments are bizarre.
  • I have no idea where the idea that Yang's Aura takes on the form of golden embers comes from, or that the wound was "bleeding" her Aura. This reads like an argument that it's not making sense according to fanon.
  • The part arguing about stabbing Blake is also nonsensical, because its speaking as though Blake's Aura wasn't depleted. When Adam shows up, we have an implied off-screen fight scene which ends with Blake lying helplessly on the floor, getting beaten by Adam with no signs of her Aura protecting her. When Adam stabs her with his sword, again, there's no Aura reaction to indicate she has an active Aura. Obvious conclusion: during the offscreen fight, the Aura was completely depleted.
  • Finally, we don't have the important part that defines the trope: a summary and a full scene in question, i.e. the context part of Makes Just as Much Sense in Context. All we have is a comment from the animators that Adam hit Blake hard enough to go completely through her Aura. This is literally lacking both sides of what makes the trope important.

At best, this is an inconsistency, not an example of this trope.
Karxrida
03:35:08 PM Feb 19th 2016
Definitely a shoehorn.
SilenceInTheLibrary
03:40:20 PM Feb 19th 2016
edited by SilenceInTheLibrary
- Yang's Aura being golden embers is seen in the Volume 2 opening. A character's Aura material can also be seen sometimes in the show, with Ruby's rose petals being seen multiple times and Blake's black butterflies briefly visible in the Black Trailer during her assault on the Spider Droid. Yang's Aura flares many, many times, showing golden embers. In the volume 2 opening, we see all four Auras active and shown: Ruby's rose petals, Weiss's snowflakes, Blake's black butterflies, and Yang's golden embers.

- That is not obvious at all. Every time a character's Aura has been depleted, there has been some indication. With Jaune, we have the aura meters. In the fights in the tournament, we have the bell, plus we were introduced to the "aura-depleted" animation. In three different cases, this animation always plays to show a character has been drained of Aura—Mercury, Amber, and Pyrrha, though the latter comes after this event (though, still before the livestream). Blake does not show it and neither does Yang. There also was no "offscreen fight". We see everything that happens between Blake and Adam, it's just set up against other scenes to show that other events are happening while this one is happening. The "obvious conclusion" was the one that plagued this wiki, that Adam's sword could pierce Aura.

- Yes we do. The summary came in the livestream. An actual summary by the creators, referring to Yang and how her arm came off.

So far, your three points are wrong and the tropes still fits.
Wyldchyld
07:43:45 PM Feb 19th 2016
Completely agree with Zaptech and Karxrida. This is shoehorning.
NNinja
05:35:08 AM Feb 20th 2016
Ok Silence, tell me this: How did that Word of God provice any context to this example? We saw what happened, whe know that Yang attacked Taurus and he retaliated cutting her arm of, apparently getting through her aura. WOG didn't add any context to this, because this was never taken out of context in the first place.
SilenceInTheLibrary
07:34:36 AM Feb 20th 2016
edited by SilenceInTheLibrary
Yes??? It did???

Word of God provided the detail necessary to know that Adam's attack broke through her aura completely, rather than ignoring it. They also saw fit to tell us that Yang had been fighting previously and that her Aura was not at 100%, like most people thought it was: that's definitely context. I'm not sure what's difficult about this to understand. If you have a better trope I'd like to hear it.
NNinja
08:01:25 AM Feb 20th 2016
First of all we KNEW already that Yang was fighting before, because when she was talking with Blake through scroll we've heard her fighting. Even just before she saw Adam she punched some White Fang. The only new thing is that Adam apparently broke through. That's detail, not context. We knew the context from the beginning, how can you say that It Makes Just As Much Sense In Context when it was never out of context in the first place? I think the trope you're looking for is Voodoo Shark, although i'm not sure if it actually fits. But it definitely does not fit here.
tryrar
09:31:01 AM Feb 20th 2016
I agree it is shoehorning. I even would go on to say that with the provided context it makes more sense than before; after all, we've seen Adam's attack before, and it appears to be simply a single, very powerful strike. I buy it broke through Yang's aura completely, though I also agree the golden embers we see from the wound is simply what's left of her aura trying to heal her and prevent her from bleeding out (we see a similar effect when Pyrrha gets shot in the heart)
SilenceInTheLibrary
11:50:45 AM Feb 21st 2016
That wasn't Pyrrha's aura, that was....well, sparks....I don't wanna talk about how Pyrrha died okay.
tryrar
01:20:01 AM Feb 22nd 2016
Look, I think people are misconstruing things. Sure, it looks like she incinerated Pyrrha, but if you rewatch the scene, what Cinder actually did was turn her to glass, and scatter her as glass dust. The sound she makes while disappearing is a lot more like the tinkling sound of glass than anything else.
SilenceInTheLibrary
10:19:41 AM Feb 22nd 2016
She was turned to ash. But ash, glass, etc., doesn't matter because she's deader than dead.
DarkastKiller
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09:32:32 AM Feb 17th 2016
Can I make a Haiku page for this?
DarkastKiller
10:40:57 AM Feb 17th 2016
Im just gonna make one and take any punishments...
DAN004
Topic
07:12:47 AM Jan 19th 2016
So spoilers are unmarked because...?
Discar
08:32:34 AM Jan 19th 2016
Karxrida asked a mod. Apparently. I see no evidence of it anywhere, and I'm waiting for a reply. Just hold off before reverting.
Karxrida
09:05:06 AM Jan 19th 2016
edited by Karxrida
So let's discuss this since Fighteer put this on the backpedal a bit.

Basically, before there were a huge amount of spoilers (I counted over 100 spoiler tag markups before I purged it all). Those making editing a massive pain due to how hard it is to make a spoiler entry look good, on top of the fact that a huge chunk of the page was hidden. The fact that this work is ongoing only compounds these issues, since everything new gets tagged and it increases the percentage of hidden entries.

It is far more painless for editing's sake to just get rid of the tagging and place a big warning for page viewers.
Discar
09:10:01 AM Jan 19th 2016
RWBY is not a work with a major twist every episode, and the page wasn't even close to the ridiculously white level some pages can get. Absolutely nothing about the page was violating spoiler policy, and saying "100 spoiler tags" is meaningless because tags vary in size. It's a big page. It has lots of tags. That's not a big deal.

Maybe a few of the individual tags could have been toned down or removed. But RWBY just does not need to have all the tags removed. It's complete overkill.
Karxrida
09:14:56 AM Jan 19th 2016
Is it overkill? Probably. But I think it's better this way because ease of editing and page presentation.
Discar
09:21:49 AM Jan 19th 2016
We only strip all spoilers from a page when it becomes a major issue and is violating policy, usually on character pages. And even then, the tags are just stripped out for everything before the current season. If someone doesn't like spoiler tags, they can turn off spoilers in their profile or even click the little toggle on the sidebar.

Again, overkill, and I'm voting to revert. I can fix it manually myself, no need to deal with the headache of having the mods roll back the page.
DAN004
09:37:37 AM Jan 19th 2016
Revert please.
jboone93
10:17:47 AM Jan 19th 2016
Revert.
jboone93
10:17:47 AM Jan 19th 2016
edited by jboone93
sorry. computer spazzed and did a double post. A mod can delete this post if they wish.
Karxrida
11:12:32 AM Jan 19th 2016
Looks like I'm in the minority, but I think we need some more votes.

I'll personally ask Fighteer for a revert if it comes down to it.
Wyldchyld
11:22:11 AM Jan 19th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
I'm not as familiar with the main RWBY page as I am with the character pages, but on the main page I have noticed a lot of all-white entries in places, along with a lot of lazy tagging (half a sentence, or half a paragraph, where proper rewording could put the example in line with the spoiler policy).

If the decision is made to keep spoilers on the main page, a clean up is probably needed (the character pages, too).

Oh, forgot to clarify vote: I'm not a huge fan of removing spoiler tags on the main work pages. It's usually the character pages where spoiler tags get fully removed. RWBY should be kept in line with other works, and a clean-up performed of all the lazy tagging.

Discar
12:13:07 PM Jan 19th 2016
The character pages have already been cleaned. Only current season spoilers are tagged.

And we can't do a full revert, because there were a lot of other things mixed in with it, like ZCE cleanup. I'll do it manually.
Karxrida
12:17:33 PM Jan 19th 2016
Can we discuss what should be hidden and what shouldn't?
Discar
12:46:56 PM Jan 19th 2016
Done.

And yes, we can discuss what should and shouldn't be hidden. I think I left most of the obvious spoilers unmarked (the food fight is not a spoiler, the fact that Blake fights Roman is not a spoiler, and Raven's name isn't a spoiler because it doesn't mean anything out of context), but there's more that's up in the air. We can probably remove the tags from any spoilers about Blake being a faunus, but I left them for now.
Karxrida
01:18:57 PM Jan 19th 2016
Blake being a Fanus should be unmarked because it's an early reveal.
Wyldchyld
01:19:22 PM Jan 19th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
The fandom also saw the reveal coming from the very first episode of the show (the news report of the faunus protest) so it wasn't much of a reveal anyway.

The character pages have already been cleaned. Only current season spoilers are tagged.

Current season spoiler tagging is a mess, hence my comment.
Discar
02:37:22 PM Jan 19th 2016
Think I got all the cat faunus spoilers from the main page.

As for the character pages, I'm not seeing anything particularly objectionable. There was one volume 2 spoiler on Ruby's section, one unmarked Fall Maiden spoiler on Pyrrha's, one non-spoiler on Penny's, and a few non-spoilers on the Vytal contestants page, but that's it. Was there anything in particular you were looking at as problematic?
Wyldchyld
02:50:46 PM Jan 19th 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
All-white entries and lazy tagging (such as half a sentence inside and outside a tag or zero context outside the spoiler tags). I've cleaned up a lot of it over the past few days anyway, but there's still a fair bit around.
Discar
02:57:16 PM Jan 19th 2016
There have never been any rules about that. All-white entries (as long as the name is not tagged) are not ZCE's, and there's definitely no rule forbidding having half a sentence in the tags and half out.
Wyldchyld
03:58:52 PM Jan 19th 2016
Whiting out entire examples (excluding the trope name, but the entire entry is whited out) has been discussed a lot on ATT. I've seen a few mods tell people not to do it. The Spoiler Policy also has a good practice guide about not swiss cheesing entries.
MMTrigger
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10:29:42 AM Jan 4th 2016
So after watching "Beginning of the end" I want to add a trope to Amber's section in the character pages to reflect that the powers she had didn't give her any additional defenses, but I don't know if what I'm thinking of can fit properly:

Glass Cannon: Tremendous power, but with comparatively low defense. Squishy Wizard: The power is magic in nature, but she lost to non-magic opponents.

I wish I could go into more detail, but I'm not sure if we can use spoiler tags here.
Wyldchyld
06:37:18 PM Jan 4th 2016
I wouldn't say either of those two tropes apply. She was ambushed by a team that had been selected for very specific abilities and the plan designed on the basis of that. Despite all the planning, and despite it being three-on-one, she gave them a tough time.

It's just a case that 'unimaginable power' does not equal 'unbeatable'.
Wyldchyld
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04:49:55 PM Dec 27th 2015
edited by Wyldchyld
Removed the following for shoehorning. This has been mentioned on this page in the past (see further down the page) but wasn't really addressed. Explanation follows:

Over on the trope page, the team was originally listed as (same as above, just in a different order):

  • RWBY: Ruby Rose (phlegmatic), Weiss Schnee (choleric), Blake Belladonna (melancholic), and Yang Xiao Long (sanguine).

Someone then changed it (on that page) to a different combination, with the edit reason: "changed the temperaments for RWBY (each character is color-coded to one of the classical humors)". However, they did not come over here and change this page accordingly:

  • RWBY: Ruby Rose (sanguine), Weiss Schnee (phlegmatic), Blake Belladonna (melancholic), and Yang Xiao Long (choleric).

It doesn't help that fans cannot agree on which 'humour' (and why) the girls fit. There are two different options listed above. Over on the WMG page (see Confirmed Theories section), people can't agree on whether this has been confirmed, or whether the girls each fit two or more of the temperaments and which temperament should therefore be assigned. It comes across to me as though the girls are trying to be shoehorned into this trope.

Assigning the girls based on colour-scheme (Ruby Rose (sanguine), Weiss Schnee (phlegmatic), Blake Belladonna (melancholic), and Yang Xiao Long (choleric)) doesn't suit their personalities at all. Describing Yang as unemotional and prone to taking leadership doesn't work. She'd have to be described solely in terms of the negative Choleric traits just to get her to fit it and even then, only a couple fit. We also have no indications that Blake (Melancholic) is exceptionally perceptive, analytical, organised or self-sacrificing compared to other members of the team. She's moody... that's about it. Ruby may fit Sanguine better than anyone else fit the others, but Weiss can't be described as introverted or unemotional. She might be elegant, but she's very little else.

Assigning the girls based on the other cited option (Ruby Rose (phlegmatic), Weiss Schnee (choleric), Blake Belladonna (melancholic), and Yang Xiao Long (sanguine)) doesn't work much better either: Ruby isn't as extroverted as Yang or Weiss, but she's not an introvert either. She does have some shyness issues, she does initially struggle with the confidence to make friends, but that lasts only a couple of episodes. After that, she's pretty extroverted in her own right, and she's never unemotional. While she's compassionate, so are most of the temperaments, so that doesn't help narrow her down. Likewise, Weiss might be extroverted, but she cannot be called unemotional. She may be task-oriented, but she's also people-oriented. She does, however, fit Choleric far better than Ruby fits Phlegmatic. I've already pointed out the problems with assigning Blake to Melancholic, and Yang fits Sanguine about as well as she fits Choleric (this time, positive rather than negative traits).
Axslayer33
Topic
08:05:18 AM Nov 15th 2015
Um, am I crazy, or did the Radar page for RWBY completely disappear?
jboone93
08:45:44 AM Nov 15th 2015
I think it was cutlisted. Since RWBY doesn't need to get past tv ratings for content like many shows, it can have innuendo and doesn't have a censor radar to fly under
Axslayer33
09:00:09 AM Nov 15th 2015
Ah. Meh, it was interesting while it lasted. Maybe replace it with similar tropes in the main?
PoeticNight
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05:22:06 PM Feb 21st 2015
Pardon me but I was curious if it would be okay to add the five "man" band for Team RWBY with Ruby being the Hero and the Heart, Weiss being the Lancer, Blake being the Smart Girl and Yang being the Big Girl.
SeptimusHeap
02:05:41 AM Feb 22nd 2015
You might want to ask here.
Larkmarn
06:00:35 AM Feb 23rd 2015
I'll save you some time: No. It's Five-Man Band; you're proposing a group of four.
PoeticNight
05:39:21 PM Feb 23rd 2015
edited by PoeticNight
Oh okay... Sorry I never saw the gender specfic part [more specficially the only one female part unless I misunderstood it.] and the four part was because I read on the five bad band that there is not always five members but no less than four[or maybe it was no more than seven?] and I thought since it was just the evil version of the five man band I thought it would be the same rules but thank you for explaining this.
Dracis
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02:04:48 AM Oct 17th 2014
RWBY's Nightmare Fuel page seems to have vanished off the face of the wiki.
SeptimusHeap
02:07:40 AM Oct 17th 2014
From the "Show cuts" list on Cut List:

"It only has three entries, and two of them are Fridge Horror, rather than NF."
jboone93
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08:35:37 AM Sep 13th 2014
edited by 24.56.221.189
so the height chart monty put out (found on Monty's facebook page) Is this canon? He put it out over facebook which is also where he's revealed a number of things such as weapons names, last names and other little tidbits
HyMai95
10:11:46 PM Sep 13th 2014
edited by 75.166.131.207
This was also tweeted by Monty, so this is considered canon by Word of God.
SeptimusHeap
12:38:55 AM Sep 14th 2014
Yep, from what I can tell it's indeed Word of God.
HyMai95
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07:50:29 PM Sep 7th 2014
edited by 132.194.207.139
I had a really crazy WMG, but I'm putting it here for now to see what people think about it and where it should belong. OK, here it is:

The world of RWBY takes place in the world of Asura's Wrath.

This may sound insane, but hear me out:

My theory is that:

1. Chakravartin survives the fight and took millions of years to recover to a state where he can create beings, but not as powerful yet, creating Grimm instead of Gohma. This can also explain why we haven't seen Grimm on a planetary scale. I also want to theorize that that Grimm have no soul because of how little Mantra is applied and how easily it is expended upon creation.

2. The world of Gaea went through so much destruction from the Gohma, the Seven Deities, and Chakravartin that it became a Remnant of what it was.

3. Mantra can be considered as Dust, one's Aura and in some cases, their Semblance; this is why humans are able to fight the Grimm.

4. If Lost Episode 2 is considered canon, this could be why the Moon is in pieces.

That's what I have so far. I really want to see where this will go.
NovaCenturion
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04:10:51 PM Aug 28th 2014
edited by 69.146.53.68
the Nightmare Fuel page it can be expand some more and by some I mean alot.
Telcontar
02:30:22 AM Aug 29th 2014
Go ahead and get started, then.
LiveandSound
08:54:24 PM Sep 4th 2014
Well, to be honest, there aren't many creepy things in RWBY.

However, something comes to mind. In the video about Dust that was released before episode 5 of Volume 2, it says some people induced Dust in their bodies, right? Now, I'm sure we know how Dust is. I wonder what would the consequences be...I wouldn't like having electricity running through my muscles and veins all the time. Or fire. Or ice.
ChocolateRob
Topic
12:37:32 PM Aug 8th 2014
Should RWBY have a recap page?
TheLaughingFist
02:54:50 PM Sep 5th 2014
I have thought of this too.

Maybe, but the main page works just as well. Basically it would require someone with the time and patience to make every page and add tropes. I certainly don't, once was enough.
Bisected8
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01:35:35 PM Mar 8th 2014
edited by 79.79.181.92
Something came to mind; should tropes for the characters' leitmotifs (for example "I Burn"'s a pretty clear "I Am Great!" Song-with a Boastful Rap in the full version for good measure-and "Red Like Roses" probably belongs under One-Woman Wail) go on their character pages, or the main page?
Discar
Topic
08:07:03 AM Dec 13th 2013
Pulled this from the page:

  • Generally speaking, each member of RWBY have their own individual Animal Motif. Ruby has a wolf motif (as confirmed by Monty), Blake has a cat motif, Yang has a dragon motif (seeing as part of her name translates into 'dragon'), and for Weiss a subtle rabbit motif.

Now, while the first three are obvious (well, Ruby isn't obvious, but she was confirmed by Word of God), I'm not seeing Weiss as a rabbit. At the very least, the example needs to be fleshed out more to describe the evidence for it.
Larkmarn
08:11:53 AM Dec 13th 2013
edited by 156.33.241.8
Really, only Blake's is "obvious." As you said, Ruby's isn't obvious but it's got Word of God so I'll concede that one, and Yang's isn't obvious at all. In fact I doubt it entirely, as her name is a shout out to Bruce Lee. Nothing else about her is dragon-like, unless you want to claim her fire-ness is dragon-y but that's a stretch and a half.
FrozenWolf2
10:06:32 AM Dec 13th 2013
Motifs tend to be physical designs, personality quirks and symbolism Correct?

Can you really call it a motif if Blake is literally a Cat girl, and even then Blake's Cat-ness is so subdued, I'd almost say they are trying not to have Blake have cat-like traits. Now if only she broke into Gratuitous French!

Ruby is taking the original concept that Ruby was suppose to be a wolf girl but got changed, however she lacks any real nods to wolves or behavioral quirks associated with the animal -Weiss has more wolf motif traits, The lone wolf variety, but even I wouldn't say she has a wolf motif-

Yang has been symbolized by the Sun/Fire imagery/allusions, but other then her Name. No there isn't much Dragoness to her

Weiss... Someone wants Weiss X Velvet that is the only real answer here
DAN004
10:27:54 PM Dec 13th 2013
Besides, since Ruby is based on Little Red Riding Hood, it's weird (but not out of place) for her to have a wolf motif since, well, wolves are her enemy, right? Word of God says it's What Could Have Been and in the series her wolf motif only appears once (as Circling Birdies).

Blake is obvious.

Yang is quite a stretch, but then again, Team CRDL has its members having bird names.

Weiss... nah.
k5972
Topic
06:14:59 PM Nov 27th 2013
Should we separate the tropes into folders now? The page is getting really long now.
Telcontar
12:54:35 AM Nov 28th 2013
Go for it. Don't do many folders, though; the scroll bar is not yet at minimal size.
NotJim99
06:46:32 PM Dec 9th 2013
I've split the page into 3 folders, is that good for now?
ladubois
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10:54:32 AM Nov 21st 2013
edited by 67.237.182.10
I'm starting to think that Four-Temperament Ensemble for Team RWBY actually lines up much more with the "Combo Ensemble" part of that trope. Specifically:

  • Ruby is Sanguine+Choleric. She is passionate, energetic, and brave, although fool-hardy and impulsive may be a better description at times. She does seem to be fairly introverted and have a bit of trouble with people, but much of that is probably more to do with confidence, which will likely build as the series progresses.
  • Weiss is Choleric+Melancholic. "Calculative" describes nearly every aspect of her character, from how she deals with people to her fighting style. She's also quite judgemental and definitely has a Holier Than Thou demeanour to anyone who, in her eyes, hasn't proven themselves better than herself, and outright contempt to those useless enough to "prove" themselves worse than her.
  • Blake is Melancholic+Phlegmatic, largely keeping to herself, and remarkably idealistic (though it may be a bit hidden between the lines) for having such a troubled past. She doesn't come off as shy and timid, however this is probably more because she's become very good at putting up a front and hiding her feelings (again, due to her troubled past).
  • Yang is Phlegmatic+Sanguine. She watches out for and takes care of her sister, Ruby, and seems to be pretty easy going (most of the time...). She also seems to be quite optimistic about most people given her immediate initial reactions to both Blake and Weiss.

Oh, and I'm putting this here rather than going ahead and editing it into the page because some of it contradicts what another troper has already put. Also, I can't really make myself just delete all that hard work they've already done... ^^'
Wyldchyld
01:29:54 PM Jan 31st 2014
edited by 2.97.141.10
Looks like shoe-horning to me. From reading the trope page, Ruby isn't sanguine at all. The only character in the group that fits the Sanguine description is Yang. The only person that fits the Choleric description is Weiss and nobody in the team fits the remaining two.

In terms of the Combo Ensemble part of the trope, it still looks very dubious. Ruby comes closest to being the Idealist (Melancholic/Phlegmatic) but it's shoehorning to try and fit her into everything that description says and she doesn't fit any of the other options without aforementioned shoehorning. It's the same for all the team: Yang's closest to the Guardian (Phlegmatic/Sanguine) but not good enough to say that trope properly suits her character, and it requires painful character twisting to try and apply Blake and Weiss to the remaining two options.

I don't think the trope should be applied to Team RWBY in either format.
WestTxTapper
Topic
08:45:34 PM Nov 11th 2013
Any reason why the entire article was just deleted?
logzlo
01:17:49 PM Nov 19th 2013
Considering it was followed by a series of trolling edits, it would seem that some detractors are starting to get petty.
Discar
01:38:21 PM Nov 19th 2013
Yeah, but we cleaned it up and banned the trolls. Next time you see something like this, report it on Ask The Tropers.
Ultimaneo
Topic
06:49:32 AM Nov 10th 2013
I think we need to start working out the spoiler tags. As is, it's pretty simple to just go down the list, see a name with a quote blocked out with a spoiler, then later see a the unspoiled quote later with the name blocked out instead. As is, it doesn't seem too effective. Should we always block out the name, quote, or just everything?
logzlo
10:47:32 AM Nov 10th 2013
I would say to put the tags on the whole thing, name and all.
Ultimaneo
11:29:40 AM Nov 10th 2013
I covered up a few that I saw, mainly Wham Line and Wham Episode, which were the biggest examples of what I was talking about (made even worse in that they were right next to each other for comparison).
Ultimaneo
Topic
06:02:46 PM Oct 31st 2013
What's up with the comment about the suit of armor in World of Badass? I think the theory of its symbolic nature is better suited for YMMV or WMG, or is that just a me thing? As it is, it just seems out of place...
logzlo
03:08:57 PM Nov 2nd 2013
Removing it. As things are, the evidence (Weiss's scar) points towards the knight being a real thing, and any theories otherwise do belong to WMG.
logzlo
Topic
01:29:01 PM Oct 27th 2013
Where is the signup for the contest to design velvet's combat gear? The crew mentioned it in a livestream but I can't find it anywhere.
Greenmonk
09:14:53 AM Nov 7th 2013
They said it would be two weeks from that video, so we'll probably find out about it in a couple days.
Mcnickel
Topic
07:44:14 AM Oct 19th 2013
seriously, we should put in a fanficrecs section. How do i do it?
Telcontar
07:56:25 AM Oct 19th 2013
Go to FanficRecs.RWBY and start editing. Be sure to copy over the standard Fanfic Recs templates.
Neopie
Topic
12:18:12 PM Oct 11th 2013
Does RWBY have a forum thread? What section should one start it in if not?
stingerbrg
08:37:05 PM Oct 20th 2013
There is one in the New Media section.
DAN004
Topic
04:06:13 AM Oct 9th 2013
edited by 118.96.111.149
I'm kinda irked at Mr. Mercen X rewording the original posts in the WMG page. Some of them are rather unnecessary and sometimes making the post lost its point.

Like this one:
  • Except that her team may, in fact, be comprised of genderflips implying she has a closer relation to Pyrrhus than the actual Pyrrha. *raspberry*
Into
  • Going off what is mentioned below, I'm now convinced that Pyrrha will die due to being a motif expy-thing of Achilles... who dies...

It was a response of someone who wanted their ideas to be read. To delete it is mean, really mean.
MercenX
10:52:28 PM Oct 10th 2013
I apologize to anyone I may have upset. It wasn't my intention. I'm uncertain if you're aware that your examples are both my posts.

Nevertheless, you're correct that I have made at least a few edits that drastically altered an original post when I got carried away. I tend to see a lot of redundancy and a lot of opinionative flagellating. In fact, I changed the above mostly because I regretted posting the *raspberry*

And again, I'm sorry if I heavily altered posts that were not my own and I'll steer clear in the future.
logzlo
Topic
09:17:16 AM Oct 1st 2013
Should we be putting RWBY in the Anime folders on pages? It is web animation, but it's meant to be an Anime, and Crunchyroll acknowledges it as one.
Larkmarn
10:00:01 AM Oct 1st 2013
... no. It's Animesque, but that doesn't make it anime any more than Avatar: The Last Airbender.
logzlo
01:19:42 PM Oct 1st 2013
Just checking.
Wyldchyld
Topic
08:36:52 AM Sep 28th 2013
  • All-Natural Gem Polish: Implied, as Roman calls the Dust gem he takes from shop "uncut" despite it's perfectly symmetrical and cylindrical appearance.
    • It's also possible that "uncut" refers to the purity, like how some refer to drugs with lookalikes added in as being "cut" with something. With the name "Dust", it's not hard to imagine this as the case.


I've dropped this trope over here so people can work out what to do about it. Right now, everyone seems to be guessing whether the trope applies by trying to guess what Roman meant.

For all we know, 'cut' could simply refer to the ground dust version (seen on the shop walls and in Weiss's suitcases) and 'uncut' to the 'undusted' (whole gem) version that Roman wanted rather than the more realistic definitions of 'cut' and 'uncut'. Since no-one really knows, the trope example seems to be attracting natter instead of confirming it really does apply.
HiroProtagonest
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02:34:38 PM Sep 23rd 2013
Should we remove Bug War? That isn't really what the Grimm are, they're just the monstrous antagonists for a Points of Light setting.
Wyldchyld
03:37:04 PM Sep 23rd 2013
edited by 2.100.114.143
That looks like a really badly written trope to me. It sets itself up to be insectoid-only, but then starts suggesting it's actually about any kind of monster enemy but insects tend to be the most common type of monster army created.

There is an implication in RWBY that it is some kind of war, or at least the humans view it as a sort of war, so I don't know if the trope is entirely inappropriate... just really badly described.
Number3124
02:12:58 PM Nov 6th 2013
Bug Wars is a reference to Starship Troopers' Bug War. A war against insects is most in the spirit of the trope due to triggering fears related to insects, but it can fit any pretty much any war against an animal-like enemy.
logzlo
Topic
07:27:34 PM Sep 19th 2013
OK, how long are we going to be linking to episodes on the main page? It's cumbersome and weird, but I want to make sure nobody will be irritated enough to put it back if I remove it.
Larkmarn
07:33:27 PM Sep 19th 2013
I'm down with yoinking it.
HiroProtagonest
02:30:43 PM Sep 23rd 2013
edited by 97.88.61.100
Maybe just link to Episode 1?
Wyldchyld
03:33:14 PM Sep 23rd 2013
I thought it was weird as well. The first word of the first paragraph links to the RWBY part of the Rooster Teeth website, so there's already a link people can follow to find the episodes.
logzlo
08:50:38 PM Sep 23rd 2013
Yoinked all but the first episode. Thanks for the input.
HiroProtagonest
09:30:31 AM Sep 24th 2013
I edited it. Doesn't make much sense to have a list for one episode.
logzlo
07:38:00 AM Sep 26th 2013
Yeah, I suppose so.
logzlo
Topic
09:05:35 PM Sep 10th 2013
Has anybody noticed that Blake's animation seems much more fluid and smooth than the others, especially in combat? I was wondering if I was just imagining things. Also, would there be a trope for a noticeably more intricate animation alongside the jerkier combat of the others?
DAN004
04:17:18 AM Sep 16th 2013
logzlo
07:25:47 PM Sep 19th 2013
Thanks.
Mcnickel
Topic
03:29:46 PM Sep 4th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
We should add a Fanfic Recs section. There are at least 10 good stories on fanfiction.net in the RWBY category (If we go by the words of Sturgeon) And I've already found 2 of them. I would do it myself if I wasn't crap with namespaces and indices

Edit: Make that 5
WinterShadow
Topic
03:01:16 PM Jul 22nd 2013
About the voice acting. Did anybody see Achievement hunter's michael twitter post about the trailers being recorded AFTER the first episode
logzlo
07:32:07 PM Sep 15th 2013
I saw it. I don't remember when, but the entries referencing it check out.
Discar
Topic
08:50:13 AM Jul 19th 2013
There has to be a better place for that big ugly "promotion" folder that holds all the links to the trailers and such, but I can't think of one. Anyone got any ideas?
Sigge
09:46:16 AM Jul 19th 2013
Perhaps removing the folder and the description of the trailers and just put them at the bottom where trailers usually is. The description does seem rather unneccesary now that the series has premiered.
Discar
08:49:08 AM Jul 20th 2013
Condensed them down a bit, like you suggested. How's it look now?
Sigge
08:58:06 AM Jul 20th 2013
Much better, thank you.
Juny23
Topic
02:57:47 PM Jun 30th 2013
I hear that the pilot for RWBY won't be released online until two weeks after the premiere. Does anyone know if this is true?
zeda12123
09:40:06 PM Jul 5th 2013
Yes it was confirmed by Barbara in podcast 244 and Monty at the RWBY panel at RTX.
ultimatepheer
06:16:55 AM Jul 7th 2013
Does anyone know why that is?
TheKing
Topic
10:36:52 AM Dec 27th 2012
How do we know the grave is of Ruby's mother?
deathisabishi
04:35:18 PM Feb 16th 2013
It's an assumption.
NNinja
12:56:00 PM Oct 30th 2015
Nope, not anymore. The name on the grave in the red trailer is not exacly clearest but readable, and clearly readable in ep. 1 vol. 3, Summer Rose. Yang in ep. 6 vol. 2 already stated that Summer is Rose's mother.
Andyzero
Topic
05:12:48 PM Dec 9th 2012
edited by Andyzero
Could someone put a redirect in Main/RWBY to WebAnimation/RWBY? It's locked right now. That should help transitions. Unless there's a better way to do that?
Zelenal
04:33:11 AM Dec 12th 2012
I've sent a request to the mods. Just hang tight.
lu127
05:58:41 AM Dec 12th 2012
edited by lu127
We don't want main redirects to work pages. Please don't create them. Those that already exist are leftovers from a time when there were no namespaces.
Adbot
05:37:20 PM Mar 22nd 2013
Well, it's kinda hard to get to the page if you don't know the subdirectory (in this case, Web Animation). There are buttons for subdirectories for films, but not yet web animations.

Can we at least get some text on the main page that contains the link to the proper RWBY page? Such as "If you are looking for the work by Monty Oum and Rooster Teeth, go here:"?

NotJim99
08:56:05 PM Oct 29th 2013
edited by 50.151.14.126
If it helps I just finished manually correcting most of the wicks pointing to Main.RWBY so that they now point directly to WebAnimation.RWBY.
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