Anyone?
I am here. I've been reading through the last Septimus Heap and it's a long read - many tangled plotlines.
This one has less than 200 wicks and inbounds so I can see a rename.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There are many snowclones. Science Marches On and Technology Marches On are the ones I can think of, but I do not think those could cause problems because science and technology advance as time goes on.
History is different. History can advance either as time goes on or when we learn more about past events. The second one is the correct definition, but it's not as apparent. A rename and clarification is something that could be done.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Disambiguation is probably the best solution for the current name, as well.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Agree. There are so many tropes confused for this one that a disambiguation is a better idea.
Dewey Defeats Truman only has 19 wicks.
edited 2nd Sep '13 1:44:53 PM by MikuruFan
The Song of Ice and Fire one is Artistic License History.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Crowner made: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/HistoryMarchesOn?open=all#8ygilf6s
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Crowner's hooked.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
8:0 - needs more votes
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
What tropes would be included in the disambiguation?
My suggestion is the list of tropes in the first post.
edited 7th Oct '13 6:29:16 PM by MikuruFan
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
That's good enough for me. But what about correct usage?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
There should be an explanation at the top. It should say something along the lines of. "this title used to describe New Trope Title and it was being misused with the following tropes:" and then a list.
The one I have in mind is Dropped A Bridget On Him as an idea.
edited 7th Oct '13 6:50:36 PM by MikuruFan
Is Dated History a bad name?
Jupiterian Local
I actually rather like that one.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Aye, I like that as well.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I was worried it might be too precious.
"In distress", my ass.
I could go for Dated History, FWIW.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Is anyone taking a stab at the disambig?
A disambig would really need just a short sentence and a list of associated tropes. Here's my try at it. There may or may not be explanations after each trope name, but the first one's a sample of what it should look like.
The title, "History Marches On," formerly referred to the trope now known as Insert Trope Name. History can progress in two ways, so Insert Trope Name was repeatedly misused for the following tropes:
- Artistic License – History, when an author takes liberties with historical detail for the sake of story.
- Dewey Defeats Truman
- "Funny Aneurysm" Moment
- The Great Politics Mess Up
- Harsher in Hindsight
- Hollywood History
- Hilarious in Hindsight
- Politically Correct History
Please change any wicks to point to the correct page.
edited 11th Oct '13 10:13:27 PM by MikuruFan
Hi
Calling the crowner for the proposed reworking.
Only name suggested so far is Dated History. Any others?
Jupiterian Local
The only other suggestions I can come up with are variants like Outdated History.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Petting Zoo Person
Dated History sounds good to me.
I must be cruel, but to be kind That bad may begin, and worse be left behind
I am torn between Dated History and Outdated History.
Crown Description:
History Marches On has 60% misuse (+ unclear use). History can be changed by time progressing and the present becoming history, or by new discoveries about the past. Add in issues with people predicting an event after the event, and getting it wrong, and the term has generated a large amount of misuse for the name.
This trope was recently marked as a Trivia entry. While going through the examples to move them to the Trivia/ subpage, may of them were examples of possibly either Artistic License – History, Hilarious in Hindsight, Harsher in Hindsight, "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, The Great Politics Mess Up, and Dewey Defeats Truman, the last of which is doing rather poorly.
This trope is about how a portrayal of historical event becomes inaccurate as new discoveries occur, yet much of its use is about future events.
Misuse appears significant just from going through the first few work examples, meaning there could be more in potholes and other pages.
Check on every four links excluding foreign language pages to History Marches On, a total of 41.
Correct
Misuse
Unclear
Zero-Context Example
edited 1st Sep '13 6:42:36 PM by MikuruFan