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open Should we really be troping memoirs? Literature
So this page just got made, which is Jennette McCurdy's new memoir and I don't really have a good feeling about the page. It comes dangerously close to (if not already over) the line of troping real people.
Anyone else get this feeling or is it just me?
openEmily of New Moon page issues Literature
Ended up there due to an entry placed in Age-Gap Romance but the Emilyof New Moon trope page seems to have a lot of complaining over ships in its examples.
openTroper complaining in YMMV Literature
Everything on the YMMV page for The Priory of the Orange Tree comes off as the one troper who added both entries complaining about Ead. They have nothing positive to say on the entire page and it seems very unwarranted? Especially the second trope, since 'being disrespectful to the queen', 'disliking a religion that is bigoted towards other religions', and 'having a hyperbolic thought' do not seem to warrent the Unintentionally Unsympathetic trope? I just get the impression this troper hated Ead, since i have not seen anyone else making these complaints.
Edited by TheLuckOfTheClawsopenIDW Sonic YMMV edit Literature
I removed Ensemble Dark Horse entries on YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW for Tangle and Whisper, as they are major characters and have large roles in the comic so far and therefore cannot be E Ds, but kept an ED example for a background character that gained unexpected attention, a fan name, and fan art. The former two entries were recently added back with no edit reason.
openHunger Games characters Literature
Does Characters.The Hunger Games really need to be split into the book and movie versions of the characters? Most of the movie characters are similar enough to their book counterparts.
openWeird literature example sorting Literature
So I found Dangerous Visions by accident. What is even going on in the example list. It looks like a total mess.
openHow does The Little Mermaid originally end? Literature
Several example citing The Little Mermaid's story on this site, including on its page, mention that it ends (or originally ended) in the mermaid turning into sea-foam. The "daughters of air" element was added in later. But Wikipedia says that the story was always about the daughters of air.
Which is it? Is this a widespread misconception? I can't find enough information on the original published ending to figure out whether the examples need editing or not.
Edited by Pichu-kunopenPage with no existing work Literature
While clicking the Random Media button, I came across the page for Linda. The page has four examples on it, and the description of the work claims that it's a short story hosted on a Google Document. Clicking on the provided link shows that the Document was deleted at some point, and I can't find any other copy of it online. There's no linked account for the author, the history for the page doesn't show who made it in the first place, and only five tropers (including myself at one point last year, to my surprise) have edited the page over the past 8 years.
I would like to ask what's the best course of action for a page like this. Do you cut the whole page, or do you toss it into the Unpublished Works section?
Courtesy link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.Linda
openBorderline Edit War on Andrzej Sapkowski Literature
The trope section of Creator.Andrzej Sapkowski is in large parts dedicated to bashing the author for various grievances that seem mostly to revolve around the author's negative commentary resp. legal battles regarding various adaptations of his works, and the author supposedly generally being an avaricious hypocrite (source: TV Tropes).
While the entire page could certainly need a big clean-up, an almost-Edit War has lately ignited over the following example of Disowned Adaptation:
- The Hexer movie. Sapkowski euphemistically expressed his negative opinion about the film: "I can answer only with a single word, an obscene, albeit a short one". What he carefully "forgets" to mention nowadays is the big pile of money he so eagerly took for selling the rights for adaptation and then started slandering the production the moment he realized there will be no second tranche of money. While the film is a disaster, Sapkowski is doing his best over the years to pretend he didn't help make it in such form in the first place.
Recently troper Revolutionary_Jack removed the last sentence of the entry, with the, in my opinion very reasonable, edit reason that
The deletion was restored (with a slight expansion regarding the author's "messy and utterly pointless copyright battle") by Dratewka. I myself got then involved by cutting everything after Sapkowski's statement on the movie, on the grounds of it not actually belonging there in the first place.
Dratewka has again reverted the example, the only change being a further expansion in form of a lengthy note, the point of which seems to be the argument that the author is to be blamed for the movie being bad. Edit reason:
Courtesy link to the edit history.
I'd be glad for other tropers or a mod to weigh in.
Edited by LordGroopenUsing Localized Names Literature
What is TV Tropes' policy on using names that were changed in Adaptation Name Change?
It's just that I've been constructing a page for The McGurk Organization and it was only while I was making it that I found out it was originally British, not American, with a handful of character name changes in the process. I mostly have access to North American editions of the books, so I may not even be aware what changes were made.
So which version should I use on the page?
Edited by DancouMaryuuopenIs this allowed ? Literature
Over on Big Bad literature. Omegaman has been adding example albeit rather using their macmillion links over their names ?
openEntries split between title and author Literature
So something I've noticed on a few different trope pages, most recently Techno Dystopia, that the Literature examples are sorted in two different ways: by author, with there being a handful of entries by different authors, and then by work, with all other entries being under this category. I don't see this on all trope pages and was wondering if this is correct or if it should be changed.
Edited by cannen144openOdd Stub Page Literature
A Place of Greater Safety has a lot of tropes... on its character pages. The work page itself has a full description but no trope entries, not even commented-out entries.
What to do here?
openRepeated Trope Misuse on YMMV/TheVillainessReversesTheHourglas Literature
I’ve been trying to clean up the pages for the Webnovel/Webtoon The Villainess Turns The Hourglass (which is in the wrong directory but that’s a different problem) and one of the editors keeps trying to shoehorn the same entry about the protagonist into different tropes that it does not fit. The character is a Base Breaker but the issues related to why are already well documented in the Base Breaker entry, so this just seems to keep veering into Complaining about a character they don’t like.
The trope text that keeps moving:
- As noted by some readers, Aria herself wasn't a good person in her previous life, and while she was unjustly executed, she's not exactly the case of an innocent persecuted person. After being reborn she's basically a 24 year-old woman in a teenager's body (and later, due to Rapid Aging, in an adult body) getting revenge on a teenage Mielle, who had not yet done anything particularly heinous. Even after realising Mielle was just a child manipulated by her nanny and Isis, Aria still continues to bully and humiliate her. The fact that Mielle herself is revealed to not be a very bright girl makes Aria being duped by someone like her in her previous life, and taking revenge on Mielle in her current life reflect rather badly on her.
- In fact, several readers pointed out that Mielle herself would be a prime candidate for a Peggy Sue story of her own, where Aria would be considered an outright villain.
So when I first removed it from the page it was listed as Protagonist-Centered Morality, which isn’t YMMV and this text doesn’t meet. Now it’s at Designated Hero, but I’m this case the main character’s not a hero, isn’t described as a hero except by people who she’s concealed her nature from, is honest with herself that her actions are not heroic, and constantly calls herself “the villainess.” Whether she’s a likable Anti-Hero isn’t this trope (and again, that’s already well-written up in Base Breaker.)
I want to remove the text again but I’m concerned about being accused of edit warring. I sent an indicator to the editor about the misuse with this explanation.
Edited by RebochanopenQuote source? Literature
On the YMMV page for Animal Farm, the Common Knowledge entry quotes Orwell as saying that Snowball would have ruined the farm through his delusions of grandeur had he won the power struggle. I've tried to find a source for this but can't find any evidence of Orwell saying it, and it sounds more like what the CIA said about the character when they demanded he receive Adaptational Villainy in the animated film. Can anyone find a source for this quote?
Edited by Javertshark13opentroper with ZCE and stub habit Literature
I've sent hazelnutpie a couple of notifications from Characters.Reign Of The Seven Spellblades, initially for creating the page as a stub (a couple character entries they've put on it still haven't been filled out), then for continuing to put ZCEs on the page. A glance at their edit history showed they've done this on other anime/manga/LN pages, too.
open Is there a limit on how bad taste a work can be and still have a page? Literature
I’ve lurked (reluctantly) for a while, and Tv Tropers I have finally logged on with a question: what is the limit for how bad (morally) a work and/or its creators can be? In the sense that you’re allowed to make a page on it, I mean. I’ve checked the red link club, and the only actual notorious piece of MEDIA I can see there is Stonetoss, and I can understand how it would be hard to edit objectively without endorsing his views.
TLDR: I want to make a page for one of the Virginia Tech shooter’s plays. It’s not even slightly an ideological work. Would that get me banned? Discuss 🤔
openVandalism of the main page of worm Literature
So, I just checked, but someone modified the main page of. Worm and removed an entry on either Shout-Out or Expy that compared Jack Slash to Joker on the grounds of it being offensive to Heath Ledger’s legacy.
Just to be sure, this is definitely vandalism, right?
openFound a 4chan forum story, is Literature the right place for it? Literature
Luke: The Plague Son Of Nurgle
While doing some cleanup work, came across the above which appears to be an unstructured forum story told by multiple people in 2009 and interspersed with comments from anonymous posters. It's not referenced anywhere else on google besides tvtropes and the forum links themselves.
What is the criteria for a web original forum work being listed? Does it need to have an attributable author? Does it need to have evidence of a reader base? Is there some other criteria we use? Does it need to be something someone can actually pinpoint and consume with a clear line between the work itself and people commenting on it? Is there any kind of minimum length requirement?
When I came across this one, it didn't really seem to fit the "Literature" media space to me though I know WebSerialNovels do get classified under literature.
However, I'm not sure this forum story can even be classified as a novel so that's adding to my confusion.
The work page has 1 wick under "The Pig-Pen", 171 total inbounds, and looks to have been created on November 20, 2021 though the original 4chan threads look like they were all from November 2009.
Can a mod check Kawaii Koolness to see if they match I Ps with marciabradypink78? They are making the same kinds of edits to the Star Darlings pages, including lies and Fan Nicknames on character pages.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=KawaiiKoolness
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=marciabradypink78