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open"Common Knowledge" issue?
YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 5 E 26 The Cutie Remark Part 2
- Common Knowledge: Many of Starlight's detractors criticize her Freudian Excuse, and also compare her to Apple Bloom and Moondancer in terms of cutie marks and losing friends and how they didn't resort to villainy in their situation. What they forget when comparing Starlight to these two is that Starlight hated cutie marks and believed they created differences among ponies, thus driving them apart because they don't have connection, and she believed to have lost Sunburst as a friend as a result of differences created between them. Given that she was a filly at the time, was confirmed to have isolated herself from other ponies out of fear that cutie marks would break new friendships made, it was clear her villainy rose from wallowing in victim-hood and self-pity over her situation which resulted in her blaming cutie marks as the result of friendships that fail in general. Both Apple Bloom and Moondancer are quite different from Starlight, as Apple Bloom wanted her cutie mark badly and Moondancer thought that friendship wasn't for her, and they both didn't become evil because they didn't wallow like Starlight did.
This was deleted as "Misuse and another attempt to complain about Starlight's detractors". I assume the misuse is due to this trope applying to audiences missing things to the point of making factually incorrect factually incorrect beliefs/claims about the work, which this isn't. But there some issues with the comparisons I was thinking about for awhile:
- Moondancer was Twilight's age, young adult, so could be expect to handle it better than Starlight who was a child at the time.
- Apple Bloom was lucky enough to stumble across new friends before Starlight's issues could set in. "On Your Marks" shows AB begin to descend into such when she thinks she's loosing her friends due to their cutie marks ("Oh, hello girls."). Starlight outright says "Not everypony's lucky enough to get her cutie mark at the same time as her friends!" The reason Starlight was supposed to be deserving of forgiveness/redemtion is because the only difference between her and Twilight was Twilight was lucky enough to have a destiny that gave her friends.
I fault the episode for failing to portray or emphasize those points, and agree with cutting shoehorned/misused tropes for such. But I want to be sure we're not quashing legitimate points counterarguments (there's a reason Starlight's a Base-Breaking Character not The Scrappy, which was brought to cleanup) if there's an appropriate trope/place for them. And I was planning on adding some criticism of complaints (which fall under factually incorrect) under Common Knowledge, I want to double-check what the line is for this trope since it came up.
My questions are:
- Do the points brought up fit Common Knowledge and if not why are they objective misuse (only pertain to factual error?). Are the point's I raised objective enough?
- What other tropes or place might those things fall under?
openAgatha Christie books crosswicking needed Literature
I just launched the page Impersonation-Exclusive Character and I'm in the process of Crosswicking everything but I haven't read Agatha Christie's books though I may read them in the future, so would someone who has read them be willing to crosswick them to their respective pages? I just don't want to needlessly spoil the books if I'm going to end up reading them eventually.
Edited by Troper48openIntentionnal Special Effect Failure
Should an animation that's intentionnaly bad have Special Effect Failure ? The YMMV page of Mario Pissing have Special Effect Failure for the fact that the noise is not realistic but considering the animation itself, it's one of the less worst thing there is. In general, should a work have Special Effect Failure even if the effect is meant to be bad ?
openNo Title
JaredTropes appears to be have been altering the page-quotes on various trope pages, usual switching a quote that's on the page for one that's on that trope's quotepage, for no apparent reason, without leaving an edit reason or going through the quote page clean-up thread.
Pages with quotes they've altered include; The New '10s (main page and quote page), Turn of the Millennium (main page and quote page), Sanity Slippage (main page and quote page), Go Mad from the Revelation (main page and quote page), Never Live It Down (main page and quote page), Took a Level in Dumbass (main page), Flanderization (main page and quote page), Character Derailment (main page and quote page), Canon Defilement (main page and quote page), Canon Character All Along (main page and quote page) and Nightmare Fuel (main page and quote page).
Edited by AnddrixopenDebating on whether this is a good idea here...
So, the Screamer Prank has an actual horror image built into the laconic via a "note". I'm wondering if this really should be here, I get it's in the vein of the trope, but to me it honestly reads as a really iffy idea for a laconic page to have. This has been added back in 2017, and I get it's supposed to be a bit of a Schmuck Bait kind of joke, but I was also wondering if it's almost "too far" of a joke for the wiki in itself.
openQuestionable FFVIIR Citation Videogame
Looking at Final Fantasy VII Remake I see that under Tainted by the Preview there's a link to a translation of an interview with Yoshinori Kitase about the series' direction. However it's from Bounding Into Comics, a source with a reputation for far-right conspiracy mongering as well as deliberate manipulative editing of citations. Does anyone have a better and more trustworthy/neutral source of translation for the interview saying the same thing regarding the story remaining the same that we can replace it with?
openUndermined by Reality?
- Game shows in which the winner wins a big-ticket non-cash item, like a car or boat. By winning such a prize, they have to pay taxes on the value of the item, and in the case of the car or boat, will likely need (high) insurance premiums and maintenance fees, among other costs. Add to the fact that it is usually a depreciating asset, and the winner will end up losing money on the prize they won. Or in egregious cases, sell the prize to pay for the prize.
Undermined By Reality is when the actions of the creator's actions contradict the message. I doubt if contestants count as creators or if there's a message to contradict. Should it be cut and/or is there somewhere else to move it to?
Also, I have a proposed addition to this.
- "Shadow Play" has the lesson of not to assume the worst and get the full story about others before treating them as irredeemable. This is undermined by the next major villain Cozy Glow, who the characters and narrative would treat as Beyond Redemption despite making no attempts to explain or figure out why/how a child could turn out so evil. That she was written this way because "It seemed fun and subversive at the time" suggests the writers have come to disagree and/or tire with the shows pro-redemption themes and messages.
The writers also stated they did this because there was no time left in the series to give Cozy backstory. But the series finale reveals Tirek "pathetic centaur who uses magic to compensate for the fact that deep down he's afraid he'll never be enough to please dear old dad, King Vorak". Does the fact that they were able to give another villain backstory enough to explain their actions in a single throwaway line undermine that reasoning? I'll add it unless I hear any objections.
openMacross Frontier - Sheryl Nome Anime
Is anyone familiar with the anime Macross Frontier? Because I came across a really bizarre line said by one of the characters, Sheryl Nome. She says at one point that her breasts "give people hopes and dreams". Does anyone know what episode she says this in?
openTrope for returning Director/Composer/Developer? Film
Apparently, the tropes Role Reprisal or The Original Darrin is for returning actors only? Is there a trope for when the original director/Composer/Developer etc returns for a film/tv show/game that they worked on after several years?
Edited by LordAraghastopenIs this a duplicate index?
Age Dissonant Index more or less seems to be a clone of Precociousness Tropes, both relating to children's maturity and even containing a good number of the same tropes. The latter was created before the former, so should at least one of them be cut?
Edited by Tacotoon11openAnalysis.MatureAnimalStory
Is it just me or does it seem to be a thinly-veiled essay advocating for animal rights? It's more of "why speciesism exists" than "why are animals usually kiddy material".
Edited by PrincessPandaTropeopenHow to create a work page?
I recently created an account on this site and although I'm a long fan of TV Tropers I can't figure out how to create a work page for a Gravity Para Norman fanfic called Tangled Up in Mysteries. I've already read the Administrivia / Works Pages Are a Free Launch page and tried to use Red Links and existing UR Ls but it didn't work. Could someone give me a tip, please? Thank you.
Edit: That was really fast. Thank you a lot, guys!
Edited by LunaLoboopenMove question
Star Trek: The Next Generation S6E14 "Tapestry"
- HypeBacklash: While it's commonly regarded as one of TNG's best episodes, it's also attracted its share of detractors over the years, mostly those who feel that the revelation that Picard's life would have turned out far worse had he not started the bar fight believing ''Star Trek'' should always promote solving problems via brains rather than brawn.[[note]]Which is spectacularly missing the point. Picard was nearly ''killed'' casing him to learn the anti-violence Aesop.[[/note]]
The [[note]] part seem to be complaining agains fans for this trope so I indents to cut. I want to check if there's anything it can be moved to first:
- Misaimed Fandom (per this)
- Alternate Aesop Interpretation
- Anything else?
openWhy is Sailor Earth not YMMV?
Sailor Earth is about fans of a work creating Original Characters that follow a theming convention in the work itself. Creating Original Characters based off a work is an Audience Reaction. However, despite this, the trope is not YMMV, and is listed as a trope on many work pages.
openWhat to do if two different works have the same word, yet different "wording"?
I was planning to create an article Literature.BANG, when I discovered there was a troper whose username was Bang. The article is for a Web Serial Novel whose title is worded as BANG!. This conflicts me. Should I create an article named Literature.BANG Series instead?
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope
Miss Sophia From Amberdeen is...umm... well, for starters, at least they aren't that Sophia.
But what they're doing is incredibly strange and I can only describe it as utter nonsense. Their troper page is an eye-bleeding and rambling Wall of Text I physically can't read, and their edits are also hard to read for bad grammar, improper formatting, and in the most recent example, being unrelated to the trope. Their actions are on the whole just incomprehensible and I sent a grammar notifier but this requires much stronger action.