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openExample to Trope: 'Working Class Anthem' Film
Hey Tropers,
I stumbled upon the trope 'Working Class Anthem' and thought it would be great to contribute an example to it.
- Example:** The song 'Jame Raho' from the movie 'Taare Zameen Par (2007)' could be a fitting addition. This song, featured in the IM Db top 250, encapsulates the daily grind of two brothers. The elder brother adheres to a rigid routine, waking up early, preparing for school, and conforming to societal expectations imposed by parents and the community. This portrayal mirrors the disciplined approach often associated with the working class, where adherence to norms and responsibilities is paramount.
Conversely, the younger sibling rebels against this conformity, refusing to conform to the societal mold imposed upon him. His struggle symbolizes the challenges and aspirations of those who seek to break free from the constraints of conventional expectations.
I believe 'Jame Raho' embodies the essence of the 'Working Class Anthem' trope, portraying both the adherence to tradition and the desire for individuality within the working-class context.
Best regards, Sumit
openAsking for permission to re-add a franchise pothole to an example that had it removed. Film
The Saw example that I had written for Resurrected Murderer back when it was in the TLP had its franchise pothole recently removed, probably because of the fact it covers a single work rather than a whole series (the title was included at the beginning of the example with a colon, then it was removed and the example's alphabetical placement was changed to that of the individual work, Jigsaw). However, reading it a bit without the pothole, I believe it can be a bit hard to discern for anyone who's not familiar with the Saw series title.
Before the edit:
- Saw: Discussed but ultimately subverted in Jigsaw with rumors about John having returned from the dead when a new spree of killings begins around a decade since the last one (wherein John was killed midway through) happened, which kickstarts the film's plot. Come The Reveal at the end, it's shown via a Flashback-Montage Realization that it was an Of Corpse He's Alive ruse made by a new killer.
After the edit:
- Discussed but ultimately subverted in Jigsaw with rumors about John having returned from the dead when a new spree of killings begins around a decade since the last one (wherein John was killed midway through) happened, which kickstarts the film's plot. Come The Reveal at the end, it's shown via a Flashback-Montage Realization that it was an Of Corpse He's Alive ruse made by a new killer.
So, with this said, can I edit the entry so I can add the title back (among some rewording to make the context easier to understand), please?
Edited by Inky100resolved 13 is Unlucky Film
Hello. I have a good example of the trope "13 is Unlucky" in the movie "Roll Bounce". During the movie, Junior is pantsed inside of the roller rink revealing a pair of unusual underwear. If you look at the shirt that Junior is wearing, it has the number "13" on it. That "13" foreshadows that something unlucky is about to happen to him. Hence, the pantsing.
Edited by Tyvanicusresolved Can't see all of the articles in the more category Film
Hi! Huge fan of this site, been browsing for over 8 years now. I've noticed when I'm looking for things to read under a main subsection such as film, music, real life, etc, if I hover over the More section, it only shows me a certain amount of pages under it, not all of them. For example, in Film I can only see up to End of an Age. F-Z aren't in the list. Is there a way to navigate to see the rest of the tropes?
openIron Man 2 example over at Video Will Film
I don't think that it qualifies. "Recording made by a person now dead" is far too broad for "video will". Howard lived a long time after making the recording, the message was just something that he wanted to say to Tony because he had the camera set up and the expo prop in the background to refer to. Opinions?
openPossible unjustified deletion with vague edit reason. Film
So I revisit the main page for Vengeance (2022) and discover that Surprisingly Realistic Outcome example was deleted, so I look at the history. The troper who deleted that example is Celestial Draco and their reason to delete that example was "Plot happens" instead that saying the example is misused or something like that. Here's the example that they deleted (contain spoilers):
- Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: During the climax, when Ben shoots Quinten, his first shot is fired from the hip and misses. It's not until he aims properly that he lands a neck shot and a headshot.
Was this troper's deletion justified or not? And what does "Plot happens" mean?
Edited by Bubblepigresolved Four Souls of Coyote Namespace Film
I have another question regarding Four Souls of Coyote. I've seen many examples under the Hungarian folder in the Eastern European Animation page listed as "Animation" and only some as "Western Animation". Which do I list a foreign film like "Four Souls" under: "Animation" or "Western Animation"?
openSpoilers for other films Film
I know moments pages are spoilers off, but what if they contain spoilers for a different film? For example, Die Another Day contains spoilers for three other James Bond films.
openSecond opinion on YMMV entry for "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" Film
Hi all. This definitely isn't a huge deal—but if it's alright, I was hoping to get a second opinion on an entry that I added to the YMMV page for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice a few months back.
In June of last year, I added an entry for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot that reads as follows:
- As Bob Chipman notes, the titular showdown between Batman and Superman makes surprisingly little use of both characters' unique abilities and skills, and largely fails to utilize the elements that would theoretically make the matchup interesting to watch. Superman is partially depowered by kryptonite gas shortly after the fight begins, leaving him without most of his trademark abilities (other than Super-Strength), while Batman relies more on his strength-enhancing suit of powered armor than on his signature stealth, cunning, and gadgetry. As a result, the climax becomes a mostly generic fistfight between two slightly stronger-than-average men—and apart from the costumes, it could easily be the climax of any mundane action movie.
Shortly afterward, my entry was removed by another user with the following justification:
- "First,Superman is deliberately limiting his powers as to avoid hurting Batman ("Stand down! If I wanted it, you´d be dead already!"). Second, Batman actively exploits that restraint by using Kryptonite weapons. Third, why are taking a random guy in the Internet seriously?"
With respect to the other user: I wasn't pointing out a plot hole, I was pointing out a potential criticism of the filmmakers' creative decisions. My point wasn't that the fight between Batman and Superman doesn't make sense from an in-universe perspective; my point was that the filmmakers chose to stage the fight in a way that made it less interesting and entertaining for the audience than it could have been, which is why I think it was a fitting example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot. And I briefly cited a professional film critic (who also made that criticism of the film) to show that I wasn't the only person who felt that way.
Normally, I'd take this up with the person who deleted that entry, but they're evidently no longer active on the site. Does anyone else have any input on whether that was an appropriate contribution?
Edited by PaygeTheNightMothresolved Want to avoid an Edit War Film
On the SignatureLine.Live Action Film on January 8th there were a bunch of cuts to examples for both the MCU and the Raimi trilogy. I thought they were in general good ones as the stated reason of them being less unique if there are too many was good. but I disagreed on cutting Natasha's last words, I did think it fit the trope and I posted on the Discussion page for that trope about a week ago but haven't gotten any responses. So I decided to go here.
resolved Unindexed movie Film
Was blindly searching specific movie's title to see whether there's a page on it or not, and found this page. Was unsure where to report it, so reported here.
It's in not exactly good state, having several images forming long vertical line (way longer than the rest of the page combined), questionable examples list, and no indexing.
The page was created almost a year ago, but was never fixed. I don't know whether it's even salvageable in its current state or not.
resolved Internet Backdraft/Marvel Cinematic Universe has a stupid entry Film
On Marvel Cinematic Universe there's this entry:
- A theory has been springing up that Marvel are sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises in order to weaken Fox's success with their films, noting their reduced presence in the comicsnote which isn't true; the X-Men are currently one of the biggest lines they're producing, with more spin-offs than ever, Wolverine and Deadpool dying note which is no different than any other 'big shocking deaths', and is being used to launch several miniseries attracting tons of publicity to the X-Men line as it is, the Fantastic Four comic being cancellednote which has been underselling for a while, and while not the worst seller, it's still been pretty bad and doesn't have the cult following that their other books have, lack of merchandise produced for X-Men: Days of Future Pastnote which wasn't true; there weren't any children's toys produced, which is largely down to licensing issues; they still sold Hot Toys collectibles for them though, are still selling toys for the franchise in general, and sold toys for the film before that, their reduced appearances in recent animated seriesnote ignoring that Wolverine did get an animated movie and has appeared in their other cartoons, and a memo apparently sent out asking for artists to not send them Fantastic Four artworknote the validity of this memo is questionable at best. The theory itself makes little sense, but hasn't stopped people buying into it, including Rob Liefeld note Liefeld's creations are tied with Fox's licenses, so of course he'd be on their side over this.
- Disney's acquisition of Fox. Beyond the "Yay, X-Men and the Fantastic Four can be in the MCU!" cheering, fans were concerned about how Disney continued to acquire a huge amount of popular IPs to the point of becoming a near monopoly.
The first one is iffy in its own right, but the second bullet is my concern today. A couple of things:
1. This isn't about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it's about Disney. The only connection the MCU really has to this is that Marvel Studios, the guys who oversee it, are owned by Disney. Unless the entry is alleging that Disney spent $71.3 billion acquiring the Fox film assets primarily to get the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises, in which case... yeah, I totally believe that. TOTALLY.
2. In all seriousness, Disney didn't do this because they thought Marvel Studios needed two more franchises. They did it because they want to bulk up their collective film library in preparation for going into the streaming market. Remember, Disney+ launches later this year, and Disney wants to leverage their majority control of Hulu to push for an international release around the same time, with the stated goal of being a place to put their adult-leaning content. That's why this happened.
3. For the record, this entry is heavily biased, mentioning the backlash to the decision to greenlight the acquisition while dismissing ANY praise or excitement as just people being excited for certain franchises; call me crazy but I don't think it's as bad as this entry makes it out to be.
4. This is a minor complaint compared to the preceding three, but it's also an example of bad indentation. It's got nothing to do with the preceding entry other than that they both involve Fox. I mean, seriously?
Look, my vote is to just delete it, but I wanted to at least make sure I consulted the community to see if that's the only workable solution, because I get the feeling that SOMEONE is going to want to talk about it on the wiki SOMEWHERE and it's worth figuring out where, if anywhere, is an appropriate place to do so.
Edited by MinisterOfSinisteropenI Thought That’s What He Said Film
I’m desperate to find out which trope this example is connected to:
“Hunter S. Thompson once said to me, ‘Bruce my boy, the movie business is a cruel and shallow money trench, where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs.’ Then he added, “There’s also a negative side.’”
- Bruce Willis, What Just Happened (2008)
openPassion of the Christ as Splatter Horror Film
I added Splatter Horror as part of the description to The Passion of the Christ because it's on the Splatter Horror page
Then, Lightysnake reverted my edit claiming it was "vandalism"
To avoid an edit war, I'll bring it here.
My addition was valid. Besides the fact that I'm essentially crosswicking Splatter Horror to the page because the SH page already listed The Passion as an example, the film is objectively a horror film and definitely a Splatter Horror film.
Mel Gibson very clearly made it to shock and terrify the audience by showing how gory, painful, and horrific the end of Jesus' life was.
It is a horror film so I don't see how what I did was vandalism.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2resolved Any other instances of this trope? (Songs in the key of panic) Film
I don't know if this is really the same thing but I'm looking for examples of music speeding up... usually when something malfunctions or there's a situation where something goes wrong/becomes more intense. Like when the remote for the tickle belt gets destroyed in spongebob or when smithers tries to destroy robotic richard simmons but that makes it end up going berserk in the simpsons. Not like an orchestral score increasing in tempo, I'm talking diagetic/non-diagetic music's pitch and tempo (speed) increasing that isn't part of the actual song.
resolved Edit war prevention for a problematic edit Film
madorosh removed this example from Lady Ballers
- Broken Aesop: While a common conservative justification for the type of transphobia seen in Lady Ballers is to protect women's spaces, the film also promotes the idea that women are always physically inferior to men including at sports, which is both misogynistic and condescending and undermines the alleged "pro-woman" bent.
with the edit reason: "doesn't make sense, the characters in the film mention the biological fact that men have specific advantages over women, which in general is true. Not sure what 'transphobia' is being displayed - everything in the film is played for laughs"
I don't wanna cause an edit war, but the example was valid. The film tries to present itself as pro-women but the film very much plays on the supposed belief that men, even the weakest men apparently who are out of shape and washed out and haven't exercised in years, are more physically abled and skilled at sports than the most trained female athletes. Which very much does go against the film's supposed "feminist" message.
Again, I want to cause no edit war so I brought it here.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2openComplaining and maybe speculative example Film
On The Suicide Squad, there is an example that, besides its complaining tone, may be speculative:
- New Powers as the Plot Demands: After Bloodsport retrieves the hard drive containing information that links the American government with Project Starfish, he hides it in his uniform, behind one of his armguards. After Starro is defeated, we learn that his uniform was able to upload the data in the drive to a secure server and he uses that to blackmail Waller into releasing the remaining Squad members. This does not fit his motif and was never even implied before, being pure script magic to help the "heroes" have a true happy ending (unlike in the first film, where only after the mission they get to know their prize is nothing more than a 10-year reduction in their sentences).
In fact, it's also repeated on the Headscratchers subpage, where another troper suggest Bloodsport may have found a working computer and made the download from there.
Which makes me wonder, does the movie even clearly establish that the download was made from Bloodsport's armbands? If it isn't the case, then the whole example is speculative.
To be clear, I've watched the movie, but I don't remember this specific point.
Should the example be kept, or is it a shoehorning?
openDie Hard and Infraction Distraction Film
The page on Infraction Distraction lists Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance as examples of the trope. Thing is, while in both instances, the bad guys are committing one crime to conceal another crime, the trope implies that the crimes the bad guy appears to be committing are minor compared to the one they are actually committing. In Die Hard, the bad guys pretend to be terrorists while really robbing a skyscraper, and in With a Vengeance they claim to have planted bombs around the city, including in a school, to distract from them robbing the Federal Reserve Bank. I'm pretty sure these are actually examples of Smokescreen Crime.
openMovie scenes Film
Hello, I need suggestions on two movie scenes: one in which a Black person is represented negatively but non-stereotypically (being sarcastic or cold but collected, an upper-class villain), and one in which a Black person is represented positively and stereotypically ("magical negro" or "black best friend" tropes, but with no references to a fantasy world, Lucius Fox for example). I need these clips for my master's thesis. Thank you very much.
Example
Great question! The Death Star is powered by a powerful reactor located in the station's core. This reactor generates a massive amount of energy that is used to power a combination of propulsions systems, including repulsorlift engines, which allow the station to hover in the air or space, and sublight engines, which allow it to move through hyperspace. The Death Star also employs a special type of engine known as a hyperdrive, which is capable of moving the station across vast distances at faster-than-light speeds. This engine can be used to move the station between different star systems, and is what allows it to travel from one battle to another. However, it takes time to charge and power up the hyperdrive, which is why the Death Star is usually accompanied by a fleet of support ships, such as the imperial star destroyers, which can provide protection while it is charging its hyperdrive. Overall, the Death Star is a highly advanced and powerful vehicle that is designed to dominate the galaxy and instill fear in its enemies. The station's weapons, armor, and propulsion systems make it one of the most formidable craft in the galaxy, and its ability to travel from one system to another allows it to be a constant threat to any target, whether it's a rebel base, or simply an entire planet that it has been sent to destroy
Are the use of AI to answer headscratchers okay?