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edited 7th Nov '17 9:59:04 AM by Fighteer

papyru30 The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:04:14 PM

the fist one shows his face better, I'd go with that one.

43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:14:25 PM

I forget where we landed on the whole 'is a picture of someone pointing a gun at a hostage's head enough for a monster image' debacle but if we were a yay I'd say either was fine. Also going to cast my official vote to say just leave Sendak as he is, Lighty did a good job compiling his crimes and I don't think it needs tinkering.

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Sep 13th 2018 at 8:27:22 PM

Hi, I know some time ago Clown Face suggested a villain from the [1] short story, Broken Dolls, but it fell through for not passing the heinous standard. Well, I'd like to make an argument in favor.

Who is she?

The Dollmaker is an elderly sculptor who Tamara and Neal Baker meet at an arts and crafts fair. She boasts a huge collection of lifelike dolls, which wins over Tamara, a fellow doll enthusiast, and shows fondness for little Neal. As they leave, the old woman smears a mysterious substance called "Dolly Jelly" in Neal's hair that makes him act strange. Later, Neal comes down with a bizarre fever that is seemingly making him hallucinate, with his features fading. Suspicious, Tamara returns to the fair for answers, and soon discovers a doll resembling her brother in the Dollmaker's trailer. The Dolly Jelly, as it turns out, is slowly draining her brother's life to fuse his soul and features with a porcelain doll. It's then revealed that the rest of the old witch's collection was created the same way, the dolls still aware but unable to do anything but weakly call for help. When Tamara corners the fiend about her vile secret, the Dollmaker basically gives the Shou Tucker defense; apparently it's kids like Tamara who just don't understand her ways are the bad guys here, never mind that she's murdering children to perfect her collection. The Dollmaker than tries to add Tamara to collection, coldly taunting her all the way that young people go missing so often this century, and that she'll just be one more. Fortunately, Tamara steals the villain's Doll Jelly and dissolves it in a nearby wading pool, freeing Neal's soul while turning the Dollmaker into a doll and presumably freeing the other dolls. The story ends with Tamara receiving an eerily familiar doll in the mail...before daring her brother to destroy it.

Heinousness standard?

This is a short story, so there's only so much you can say about this character. However, this is still enough to establish her as a vile piece of work. Her collection is described to contain 15 to 20 "dolls" indicating she's claimed a good deal of victims for a villain with such short screentime. While the Goosebumps franchise has plenty of murderous monsters and entities who clearly don't give a shit about hurting humans, even children, almost none of them can count as truly evil because they operate by their own kind, which is clearly alien from our own. There's also plenty of nasty human villains, but they're often very specific in their objectives, and aren't established to have as big a body count as this woman.(Except for Mr. Toggle, Ahmed, and maybe Aunt Dahlia from An Old Story, who might be in need of an EP later) Along with Toggle and Ahmed(who is a very twisted Anti-Villain), the Dollmaker is probably the closest this universe has to a Serial Killer, stealing countless souls to create her dolls, which if not killing them, would still trap them in a horrific And I Must Scream situation with their human bodies as faceless husks. Given how quickly she is to dispose of Tamara, this probably isn't the first time she's had to take care of desperate family and friends, either.

Conclusion?

Personally, I'd have to give a [tup] to this, given how twisted this character proved in about six pages. Man, remember when [2] was actually a horror series?

G-Editor Miles Standish from The planet Plymouth Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Miles Standish
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:27:43 PM

[tup] to the Dollmaker I guess

So it seems that everyone prefers first images of Shane.

So who else wants to vote for image 1 of Shane from inFAMOUS: First Light?

Edited by G-Editor on Sep 13th 2018 at 5:27:38 AM

For the Stuffing!
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:28:07 PM

@43110, personally I disapprove of putting up pics like that on Monster pages. As I don't find pointing a gun at a hostage head very monstrous. That is really standard criminal behavior.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:38:32 PM

As the one who originally proposed the Dollmaker, I'm kind of iffy on her. Like....she has very little page-time. Less then 10, IIRC. I'm not sure if that's sufficient enough screen-time for her to count.

Why so serious?
randomtroper89 I am the Phoenix King from The Fire Nation
I am the Phoenix King
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:47:01 PM

Here goes the writeup for Wilcox:

  • Elementary: Tytus Wilcox is introduced in season five episode "Scrambled" as the seemingly innocent brother of Bonzi Folsom, the leader of South Bronx Killers gang. He is later revealed to be secretly running the gang, and has Folsom killed with bleach laced cocaine when Folsom receives to much police scrutiny. In the next episode "Hurt Me, Hurt You" Wilcox kidnaps Carmen, the innocent sister of the Mara Tres gang leader, forces her to read out a message on camera, kills her, and sends her body along with a recording of the video to her brother. This causes a gang war leading to many causalities on both sides, all so Wilcox could sell out his entire gang to stop the chaos and receive a full immunity deal. Wilcox then calls Joan Watson, mocking her over the death of gang informant Shinwell Johnson, and scoffing at the idea of being loyal to his gang.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Sep 13th 2018 at 1:25:12 PM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
papyru30 The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:54:22 PM

Abstain on dollmaker until we get an explanation for that 10 page thing.

Scraggle The Defiler from Calgary, AB Relationship Status: Stuck in the middle with you
The Defiler
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:56:51 PM

I mean... if she's got the bare minimum of character for short screentime (this is a short story after all, and for kids at that, so I'm not too concerned about length) I won't hold that against her. What I'm worried about is if you're unselling the standard... Goosebumps has a lot of really freaking awful customers that deal in the harm and murder of kids and the last time she was brought up, she was voted down partly on heinousness and being not much of a standout for the series.

I'll abstain for now.

"Those who read of evil and search for its form within their minds call forth evil."
43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Sep 13th 2018 at 11:19:57 PM

abstaining for now too.... I remember last time she was almost insta-shut down based on the heinous standard and I'm not sure anything new is being brought up here.

@ Username, Personally, I don't like those types either... I just seem to recall the thread having reached some kinda feeling on a 'gun pointed at hostage pic' in general but forget if it was an up or down vote.

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papyru30 The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The powerfu popula prestigiou papyru
Sep 14th 2018 at 12:28:36 AM

I'll hazard a guess and say the consensus was yes seeing as we have these kind of images on the pages (FYI the two linked images are from 24 and Bosch on the main CM images page under Live-Action TV)

ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Sep 14th 2018 at 1:21:27 AM

I usually stick to the Magnificent Bastard thread, but having finished Hollow Knight recently I wanted to patch up the Radiance's entry. Here's what it says now:

  • Hollow Knight: The Radiance is the cause of all suffering within Hallownest. She created a race of highly intelligent moths known as Wyrms to build an empire; however, she did this with the cost of keeping them stuck in a hive mind. When an individual, the Pale King, broke free of her control, he led them away from her and gave people freedom. Out of jealousy and contempt for the king, the Radiance ended up creating the Infection as a side effect of her anger. When she saw the suffering the plague had caused, which turned the denizens of Hallownest into mindless, zombie-like beings in constant agony, she did not care and influenced it further, eventually deteriorating the mind of the vessel she was trapped in, turning him into a tragic monster. Driven by utter jealousy and contempt for the Pale King, the Radiance completely destroyed a thriving kingdom simply because she was no longer in control.

After doing some research, the entry is good save for two errors:

  • The moths and the Wyrms are two completely separate races. The Radiance made the former, the latter are basically kickass giant serpent god thingies.
  • The Pale King never had to break free from her control. He was, essentially, a Wyrm reborn as a bug. He was never part of her hive mind in the first place, and was born with the intelligence to usurp her.

I don't blame whoever put her up - Story Breadcrumbs are hard. Here's my proposed fix:

  • Hollow Knight: The Radiance is the cause of all suffering within Hallownest. She created a race of highly intelligent moths to build an empire; however, she did this with the cost of keeping them stuck in a hive mind. When the Pale King appeared, he led them away from her and gave people freedom. Out of jealousy and contempt for the king, the Radiance ended up creating the Infection as a side effect of her anger. When she saw the suffering the plague had caused, which turned the denizens of Hallownest into mindless, zombie-like beings in constant agony, she did not care and influenced it further, eventually deteriorating the mind of the vessel she was trapped in, turning him into a tragic monster. Driven by utter envy and loathing for the Pale King, the Radiance completely destroyed a thriving kingdom simply because she was no longer in control.

[down] Annnnnd done!

Edited by DocSharp on Sep 14th 2018 at 1:38:27 AM

ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
miraculous Answers are bitter things, and once you get them from south africa
Answers are bitter things, and once you get them
Sep 14th 2018 at 3:00:12 AM

Guys Im back. So catching up:

[tup]Waybis,Neig, High priest, Connover, Wilcox, Tamson, Siegfried, jack, Masticus, Nomura, Azazel

[tdown]Reed, Susie

Unsure on blaise and Dollmaker.

Did I miss anyone ?

..they’re yours and you can’t give them back. Did I want to know badly enough that I was willing to live with whatever answer she gave me?
Sep 14th 2018 at 3:13:49 AM

[tup] to Azazel.

I think I'll give a [tup] to the Dollmaker. Its true the series has a very high heinous standard, but to my memory sending around twenty people to a And I Must Scream fate seems nasty even by those standards. Its been years since I read the books, but the only other times I remember similar things happening was when the event was a consequence not a goal.

ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Sep 14th 2018 at 4:16:01 AM

Ah, Mir, glad you're back. Namba's entry is finalized (it's at the YMMV page and the franchise reformat), but I'm unsure where we stand with Evolto's entry.

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miraculous Answers are bitter things, and once you get them from south africa
Answers are bitter things, and once you get them
Sep 14th 2018 at 4:22:02 AM

I think it looks fine now. Though make sure to use Evolto rather than Evolt as Evolt being his name is aporcyphal or the result of some weird sub's.

..they’re yours and you can’t give them back. Did I want to know badly enough that I was willing to live with whatever answer she gave me?
KazuyaProta Dancing All Night For The Greater Good!!! from Dal'yth Relationship Status: Married to the job
Dancing All Night For The Greater Good!!!
AustinDR Hunting season.
Hunting season.
Sep 14th 2018 at 6:01:31 AM

Going to abstain on the Dollmaker.

ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Sep 14th 2018 at 6:28:04 AM

Final tree:

  • Kamen Rider Build: In this tale of creation versus destruction that stands as possibly the darkest series of the Heisei era, this duo are the most vile:
    • Evolto/Kamen Rider Evol, the true mastermind behind the problems faced by the heroes, is an entity seeking to create a "new world" by devouring everything in the universe, leaving only himself. Destroying planets alongside his people, the Blood Tribe, Evolto wiped out many civilizations before being stopped on Mars by the surviving Martian Queen Vernage. Possessing an astronaut and rendering him aware but unable to do anything, Evolto goes to the Earth and causes the Skywall Disaster that killed countless innocents and split Japan into three states. Under the alias "Blood Stalk", Evolto corrupts Gentoku Himuro by preying on his mind and killing his best friend and founds Faust with him and scientist Takumi Katsuragi to carry out painful experiments on kidnapped people to turn them into Smash. When Katsuragi discovers his alien origins and turns against him, Evolto mind wipes him, kills an innocent man to swap his face with him, and renames him "Sento Kiryu" so he can keep using him. Desiring Ryuga Banjo, whom he corrupted with his DNA when he was only an infant, as his new host, Evolto had Ryuga's fiancée, fatally transformed into a "Smash", to increase Ryuga's raise Hazard Level by increasing his rage. Inciting a war between the three states of Japan, Evolto painfully experiments on Gentoku to turn him into a weapon and takes over Sento's body, keeping his personality around so he can make him watch as he slaughters his friends. He later betrays Namba and challenges the Kamen Riders to a final battle where they will have to reach the top of the Pandora Tower, destroying a section of Japan for every ten minutes they don't make it. Achieving his ultimate form, Evolto summons a Black Hole to consume the Earth but destroys it slowly so he can gaze at the despair on the heroes' faces for longer.
    • The aforementioned Juzaburo Namba is the greedy CEO of Namba Heavy Industries and Evolto's collaborator. Profiting off the Skywall Incident, Namba was responsible for converting children into his brainwashed, suicidal Child Soldiers and turning Seito into his Puppet State. Taking part in the creation of Faust, Namba sponsored the criminal organization with the intention of sparking a conflict between the nations to fill his pockets. Planning on making a weapon stronger than a nuke with the Pandora Box's energy to sell to the highest bidder, Namba tortures the mentally-broken Gentoku Himuro until he is ready to become his own Kamen Rider, implanting a chip in his body that would kill him if he disobeyed his orders. Deciding to reunify Japan into a world superpower under his law to give birth to an "immortal Namba empire", Namba engineers a massive and destructive Military Coup to conquer the country and the world, starting by taking Prime Minister Tajimi into custody, assassinating Prime Minister Mido and then sending his troops to invade Touto to be assimilated by force. Side material expands even more on his atrocities, as he had imprisoned Gentoku in an annexed concentration camp for failed Faust experiments, a place where he was regularly beaten, and in one occasion, suffered an attempted rape at the hands of another prisoner. At some point, Namba had employed Kaisei Mogami and allowed him to work on the Enigma, indirectly killing even more people and almost causing the destruction of two worlds.

Thoughts? I'll request the swapping of the reformatted page Sunday or so.

Edited by ACW on Sep 14th 2018 at 11:38:57 AM

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Tyk5919 I must have you. Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
I must have you.
Sep 14th 2018 at 7:11:27 AM

Went ahead and got Nomura's write-up done, since I feel like I'm gonna be busy for the next several days.

  • Sieglinde Nomura is Siegfried's daughter and a Mad Scientist who takes pleasure in experimenting on innocent people. After Siegfried was defeated by Hardestadt Delac several years in the past, Nomura helped nurse him back to health, and later assisted him in his schemes to eradicate humanity. Using a serum she invented, Nomura experimented on hundreds of thousands of humans and werewolves alike in hopes of creating a horde of werewolves loyal to only Siegfried or destroying their minds so they'll be easier to control. Those who perished were merely disposed of or eaten, and records of how long they lasted were recorded in various notebooks. Whenever Nomura isn't trying to perfect her serum, she's vivisecting innocent humans and slowly eating parts of their body alongside her father—sometimes while they're still alive—or torturing humans she paralyzed just for the thrill of it. After Hardestadt and Erin Hasegawa are captured and Nomura finds out Erin escaped, Nomura willingly allows her to try and run away, all so she can take pleasure in hunting her down like a predator.

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miraculous Answers are bitter things, and once you get them from south africa
Answers are bitter things, and once you get them
Sep 14th 2018 at 7:40:54 AM

[up][up]Looks good but with one issue.

There's no indication that Evolto plans on leaving anyone alive but himself. In the movie he made sure his dragon didn't tell the other 3 members of his race about his eat the universe plan.

..they’re yours and you can’t give them back. Did I want to know badly enough that I was willing to live with whatever answer she gave me?

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