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Solomon Lane. His ex-boss, Attlee, sounds pretty bad too; what's the deal with him?

Seems like a WIE from the character page.

You know how I'll say on this, ACW. If you're doing it for a rewrite, feel free. You know what not to do, though.

Hilariously enough, HT, you asked that exact question three years ago. But just to reiterate: Attlee is a straight up WIE. He intended the Syndicate to be used for the good of Britain, and never intended Lane to go rogue.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 10th 2018 at 11:03:23 AM

Yeah, I know what not to do

Yes to Lane. I won't be surprised if he gets a redeeming quality in the end of the trilogy though.

I remember seeing you comment that on the past Lane discussion as well

I hope I'm not too late to weigh in on YHVH, but I'd like to give my two cents on the Apolcaypse version of YHVH. I haven't played Shin Megami Tensei II, and I also heard the most well-known translation of it is a bit spotty, so I can't vote on that version of YHVH.

Right now I'm inclined to give a to the Apocalypse version of YHVH, and that's because of two other characters that got upvoted in this thread: Belberith and the Radiance. Like YHVH, both don't actually do all that much with the screentime they get, but their most heinous deeds are all from the backstory and deemed bad enough to count towards being a Complete Monster.

• Mission Impossible: Solomon Lane from Rogue Nation and Fallout is a former MI 6 operative who, after realizing his own sociopathic nature, became enraged and went rogue with The Syndicate to cover up his own deficiencies. Using the Syndicate to carry out devastating terrorist attacks while committing murders himself, Lane was defeated and arrested by Ethan Hunt and team. Two years later, Lane uses his ally John Lark or August Walker to get free, now hell bent on revenge against Ethan. To that end, he uses stolen plutonium to rig two nuclear bombs to go off in Kashmir, at a medical site where Ethan's ex-wife Julia is working just out of spite. The nukes will irradiate the water supplies of China, India and Pakistan, affecting a third of the earth's population while Lane is fine dying in the blast so long as he knows Ethan is framed for being Lark and will rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life haunted by the guilt of Julia's death. Abandoning all pretense as good intentions, Lane shows that he is a dark mirror to Hunt himself, stopping at nothing to achieve his ends, no matter how many have to die.

Agreed. Along with that, even though YHVH doesn't make an appearance untill the end of the game, the consequences of his actions are made clear throughout both Shin Megami Tensei IV and Apocalypse.

I’d change the or in Lane’s write up to AKA.

Let me lend a hand. Here’s what it’ll probably look like without tags:

• Mission: Impossible Film Series: Ethan Hunt and company have faced numerous terrorists and other criminals. The following duo, however, are the worst of the worst:
  • Mission: Impossible III: Owen Davian is a sociopathic, powerful international Arms Dealer who is notorious for selling to different terrorists. Davian wants to find the Rabbit's Foot, a highly dangerous weapon which Davian is going to give to John Musgrave and start a war in the Middle East which would kill many people. When he captures an agent who is spying on him, he brutally tortures her and plants a bomb inside of her head. When she is finally rescued, Davian detonates the bomb. When he is interrogated by Ethan Hunt, he gloats about killing the agent, saying that the only real reason he did it was because it was fun, before threatening to do the same to Ethan and his wife, no matter what, which he attempts to do multiple times, even going as far as to disguise his own security chief as Ethan's wife, and then killing her, just to torture Ethan. In his final moments, he keeps his promise, and decides to kill Ethan's wife, with Ethan Forced to Watch.
  • Solomon Lane from Rogue Nation and Fallout is a former MI-6 operative who, after realizing his own sociopathic nature, became enraged and went rogue with The Syndicate to cover up his own deficiencies. Using the Syndicate to carry out devastating terrorist attacks while committing murders himself, Lane was defeated and arrested by Ethan Hunt and team. Two years later, Lane uses his ally John Lark AKA August Walker to get free, now hell bent on revenge against Ethan. To that end, he uses stolen plutonium to rig two nuclear bombs to go off in Kashmir, at a medical site where Ethan's ex-wife Julia is working just out of spite. The nukes will irradiate the water supplies of China, India and Pakistan, affecting a third of the earth's population while Lane is fine dying in the blast so long as he knows Ethan is framed for being Lark and will rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life haunted by the guilt of Julia's death. Abandoning all pretense as good intentions, Lane shows that he is a dark mirror to Hunt himself, stopping at nothing to achieve his ends, no matter how many have to die.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Aug 10th 2018 at 12:18:41 PM

Well. The write-up for Lane got done fast.

Having just got out the theater, for Solomon Lane.

Lane. I still feel a bit more comfortable abstaining on both YHV Hs personally.

Already had the template done. Here's the tree all potholed up:

• Mission: Impossible Film Series: Ethan Hunt and company have faced numerous terrorists and other criminals. The following duo, however, are the worst of the worst:
  • Mission: Impossible III: Owen Davian is a sociopathic, powerful international Arms Dealer who is notorious for selling to different terrorists. Davian wants to find the Rabbit's Foot, a highly dangerous weapon which Davian is going to give to John Musgrave and start a war in the Middle East which would kill many people. When he captures an agent who is spying on him, he brutally tortures her and plants a bomb inside of her head. When she is finally rescued, Davian detonates the bomb. When he is interrogated by Ethan Hunt, he gloats about killing the agent, saying that the only real reason he did it was because it was fun, before threatening to do the same to Ethan and his wife, no matter what, which he attempts to do multiple times, even going as far as to disguise his own security chief as Ethan's wife, and then killing her, just to torture Ethan. In his final moments, he keeps his promise, and decides to kill Ethan's wife, with Ethan Forced to Watch.
  • Rogue Nation & Fallout: Solomon Lane is a former MI 6 operative who, after realizing his own sociopathic nature, became enraged and went rogue with the Syndicate to cover up his own deficiencies. Using the Syndicate to carry out devastating terrorist attacks while committing murders himself, Lane was defeated and arrested by Ethan Hunt and his team. Two years later, Lane uses his ally John Lark—aka August Walker—to get free, now hell-bent on revenge against Ethan. To that end, he uses stolen plutonium to rig two nuclear bombs to go off in Kashmir, at a medical site where Ethan's ex-wife Julia is working just out of spite. The nukes will irradiate the water supplies of China, India and Pakistan, affecting a third of the earth's population while Lane is fine dying in the blast so long as he knows Ethan is framed for being Lark and will rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life haunted by the guilt of Julia's death. Abandoning all pretense of good intentions, Lane shows that he is a dark mirror to Hunt himself, stopping at nothing to achieve his ends, no matter how many have to die.

Also, after talking with Ravok, a slight update to my rewrite of his entry:

• EvilQuest: Galvis is an evil knight who ravaged the land, killing thousands, before building up an army to attack Camelia, where he was captured after his troops abandoned him for his cruelty towards them. Escaping 10 years later by baiting a young man whose parents he murdered—then letting him supposedly bleed out just for fun—shanks his cellmate of ten years after getting information out of him, then resumes his wicked path of destruction. During his quest, Galvis kills hundreds in his quest to destroy the Seals binding the Chaos Axe; he doesn't shy away from general dickishness either, in one case refusing to kill a frostbitten man just to let him suffer. Galvis, upon obtaining the Axe, strikes down God himself, then unleashes a demonic horde who assist him has he rips the world to shreds. After destroying humanity, he plans to do the same to all of existence.

Did you like the film?

Also, got some tweaks to the entry:

• Solomon Lane, from Rogue Nation and Fallout is a former MI-6 operative who, after realizing his own sociopathic nature, became enraged and went rogue with The Syndicate to cover up his own deficiencies. In Rogue Nation, Lane kills an innocent woman to spite Hunt, assassinates the Austrian Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, before being defeated and arrested by Hunt and team. Two years later, Lane uses his ally John Lark AKA August Walker to escape custody, now hell bent on revenge against Ethan. To that end, he uses stolen plutonium to rig two nuclear bombs to go off in Kashmir, at a medical site where Ethan's ex-wife Julia is working just out of spite. The nukes will irradiate the water supplies of China, India and Pakistan, affecting a third of the earth's population while Lane is fine dying in the blast so long as he knows Ethan is framed for being Lark and will rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life haunted by the guilt of Julia's death. Abandoning all pretense as good intentions, Lane shows that he is a dark mirror to Hunt himself, stopping at nothing to achieve his ends, no matter how many have to die.

Thoughts?

Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:06:40 AM

Came back from MI:6 the previous day; a late yes for Solomon Lane. Really rare to see a movie series invert Sequelitis.

Lane and Apocalypse!YHVH

Holden

@MenInGreyToBlak: It was exactly what I thought it was gonna be. I mean that in a good way though; overhyped, yes, but I thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the helicopter sequence. I didn't love it, but I really liked it, and thought it was better than Rogue Nation. And while I am starting to notice a predictable pattern with these films, it still works.

At the very least, I'm happy that we're six movies in, and this franchise is still making solid films. Can't say the same for certain other franchises.

...I really asked that exact question before? That's kinda funny.

MCU has to be the best at that: 20 films in, over a decade in, and still great.

Totally agreed, though I will say that I don't think the Michael Bay Transformersverse was good to begin with, although the first film was still full of Narm Charm, and Age of Extinction was so overly long that I've started to like it.

Also, , the MCU isn't bad (Infinity War was the worst for me, but Ant-Man and the Wasp was very good), but I can see it becoming boring later on, and directors using it as a cashgrab.

Also, any thoughts on my requested tweaks to the writeup?

Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:14:39 AM

Honestly, I'm not sure if that'll happen.

Were the only tweaks the additional potholes? I'm not sure if they're necessary. I tried to pick the 5 most pertinent. Though I may throw Anarchy Is Chaos in there for his name.

Edited by ACW on Aug 10th 2018 at 4:20:03 AM

Nope, I added his past actions as well to add a reason why he was imprisoned in the first place, and to be more specific on what type of role he has in Rogue Nation. While him nearly killing a third of the world's population is his worst act, it isn't his only heinous act.

Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:23:00 AM

Well, the current entry says "carry out devastating terrorist attacks while committing murders himself"...Lighty and everyone else, what say you? I'm fine either way.

Once again, just to specify what those attacks are.

@MenInGrayToBlak: Ehhh, the bits where Lane killed the Prime Minister and an innocent woman feels a bit unnecessary.

@ACW: MCU has some duds in it. Then again that franchise currently has 20 movies. It's impossible for everyone to subjectively agree that they're all good.