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Neither do I , but concerning certain fandom it's understandable why we'd want to get those settled here anyway.

edited 1st Oct '16 1:03:38 PM by VeryMelon

There are several I've effortposted who I wasn't sure of (Judge Cal, Fleshmaster from Empowered, and maybe 1 or 2 others). Interestingly, none that have been voted up that I was surprised by.

edited 1st Oct '16 1:08:34 PM by ACW

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I don't want to sound rude, but I genuinely do not see the point in effortposting someone who does not in any way, shape or form count. I mean, it's one thing if you're proposing someone who you personally don't feel counts, but think that there's room for debate either way. But proposing someone who clearly doesn't pass the "No mitigating factors" bit just feels pointless to me.

If this is in regards to anime!Lysandre, then I felt it wise to effort post him (not necessarily "propose" him) before anyone else brought him up, and he is worth looking into because, again, he attempts to wipe out all life on Earth. Were it not for the mitigating factors, he'd basically be Hugo Drax from James Bond. A lot of folks might be blinded to the disqualifying factors of a character if their plans and actions are so incredibly heinous, and I believe this has happened in the past.

That being said, the subject of Lysandre actually reminded me of something: I remember people saying a while back that Pokemon Special's incarnation of Lysandre was shaping up to be a contender: is this still true? Or is he officially off the watchlist.

Both Ghetsis and Lysandre from that manga are still on the watchlist, but I have heard sources say that Lysandre has a few Pet the Dog moments that don't appear fabricated and phony like Ghetsis', so if that turns out to be true, and if he is given any measure of redemption at the end of his arc (which shouldn't have much longer to go since it's at it's final battle), then he won't count either.

Off-topic, but are you really telling me that Lysandre's arc is almost over, but not Ghetsis'? I remember hearing that pacing got weird with the Unova arcs, but you'd think that they'd be wrapped up soon what with Sun and Moon on the horizon. @_@

Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from (And yeah, I was referring to Lysandre). I personally would probably just state that so-and-so doesn't count and give the reasons, but an effortpost is a good way to get all the information out in a neat and orderly fashion. Like I said, I hope that I didn't sound rude!

Weird. According to Bulbapedia, the BW 2 arc finished, just not in volume form.

Actually no. It ran in magazines but then the magazine that ran either got cancelled or just stopped running the manga, so it ended on a cliffhanger with the rest of the arc to be resolved in the next two or so volumes. The volumes that have, as of now, STILL not come out. (The good news is that the first volume of this arc is getting an English release at the start of next year, and VIZ wouldn't do that unless some deal had been worked out about when the following volumes were to come, so we'll be seeing the BW 2 arc conclude sometime in the next two years. Two generations later. )

Yeah, both Gen VI arcs (X & Y, and OR & AS) benefit from more time and attention devoted to them and still running in monthly magazines in addition to the volumes for them being worked on. The Gen V arc is now for volume release only and how far into it Kusaka and his artist is is a mystery.

But no, it's fine.

edited 1st Oct '16 1:32:44 PM by ANewMan

What's this FORCED mega evolution? Also, looks like that movie is coming out in the US sometime this year, so then Jarvis can be effortposted (seriously, Jarvis?).

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Is anyone going to comment on my post here?

Why so serious?

What are the additions?
Also, any more thoughts on replacing the DC Animation page quote?

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Not much; just a few potholes were added.

Also, about quotes for DC Animation, there's this quote for Darkseid: "I hope you appreciate, Kal-El, that everything that happens from this point on is on your head. The skies will rain fire, the oceans will boil, the streets will run red with the blood of billions. Only then, after your last pitiful hope is extinguished, will I end your life".

Why so serious?

• The Lion King: Scar is defined by his envy and hatred of his elder brother Mufasa. Hating that he isn't king, Scar hatches a scheme to remove Mufasa from the equation as well as the heir to the throne, Mufasa's young son Simba, When Scar's first attempt to murder Simba and his best friend Nala fails, Scar has his Hyena cohorts cause a stampede and personally throws Mufasa in to be trampled when he tries to escape it. He then convinces Simba the whole thing was his fault, convincing him to go into self imposed exile before ordering the hyenas to murder Simba anyways. Scar's incompetence as king leads to a famine, and when Simba returns, he sees Scar refuse to allow anyone to leave to go anywhere else, uncaring that this will condemn everyone to death. He proceeds to backhand Mufasa's widow Sarabi when she compares him unfavorably to her husband, and when he confronts Simba, Scar tries to break him by bringing up Mufasa's death. He only pauses in his attempt at a public execution to mock Simba that Scar was Mufasa's true murderer. Later, in a desperate attempt to save his own skin, he tries to blame everything on his loyal hyena henchmen, attempting to kill Simba even after the latter agrees to spare his life.

edited 3rd Oct '16 9:46:40 AM by ACW

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I don't really think DC Animation is in desperate need of a quote switch.

Megatron,Vindi, Ramses, Gustav

Lysanndre

Eh, no huge deal; just (IMHO anyway), not the best quote, AND it's from the same source as the image.

edited 1st Oct '16 3:08:54 PM by ACW

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The fact that it's from the same source as the image shouldn't mean anything. Like, excepting unneeded biases, that's not a reason to switch at all.

Actually, thinking of it, a truncated version of that quote would be a good caption. Something like Yes, Terry. "He was the worst" "He was a psychopath. A monster."

edited 3rd Oct '16 9:49:04 AM by ACW

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Alright since Megatron got absolutely no votes, I'll work on his writeup and start on a page for this RP. I'll sift through and see if any other villains qualify, though given Megatron was responsible for 4 of the major Big Bads some through kind of an Ass Pull, I don't see them being nearly as heinous as him. For other villains we've got a villainous couple Xirro (being based off of Panic! At The Disco's lead singer) and Venetrix (basically Ultimecia but married and with children) from 5 and 6 but they seem to be too affably evil to qualify despite nearly ending time and have a genuine love for each other and their son Carlos. (Xirro is kind of an abusive dad to Carlos, but as long as he likes Venetrix, he cannot qualify). Then again, they were pawns of yet another Greater-Scope Villain known as Longinus (based off the spear that pierced Jesus, now there's some religious symbolism for you) who was later Hijacked by Ganon by a villain known as Azazel (not to be confused with Muruta Azrael) and Terminus who created the next villain that could be discussed. There's also a villain that sprung up which was a textbook example of a demonic entity known as Baphomet not to be confused with Bahamut from Final Fantasy (which, IIRC was named after an actual demon in a fictional story) and although poorly written (he was considered one of the strongest entity in the universe similar to Caius Ballad in Fabula Nova Chrysalis) he's probably heinous enough to compete with Megatron given he has no Freudian Excuse and ends up hijacking the main villain of WOTW 6. As for minor villains who could qualify, there's John Harman from Year Two of Warp of the Worlds 3 who was actively draining energy from the Multiverse, which caused irreparable damage to the Multiverse. We also have a few other villains from WOTW 6 but most have either Freudian Excuses or are Made of Evil like the Reaver Fox essentially being Valent's darkness.

So I'll probably start writing an effortpost as soon as I make a basic YMMV page for this RP. Hopefully I can get in contact with some of my old buddies to help me out for archiving this RP.

Also a big to Lysandre which is unfortunate because otherwise he sounds like a bastard. Makes me wonder if Master Xehanort will be getting redeeming qualities in Kingdom Hearts III?

edited 1st Oct '16 3:58:38 PM by Klavice

Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.

to Lysandre for militating qualities. Shame though, if it weren't for that he'd be up there with Cyrus for most Adaptational Villainy destructive crime boss monster in Pokemon history.

MY GOD I can't believe we have to wait TWO MORE YEARS for the BW arc to end just so, we can see if Manga Ghetsis counts. Until then are there any more manga villains from pokemon that count?

edited 1st Oct '16 4:15:26 PM by G-Editor

We've seen enough of Xehanort that we can comfortably label him a CM at this stage of the Myth Arc, and any potentially redeemable qualities would honestly be hard-pressed to disqualify him anyway. I can't imagine him ending up being sympathetic without the narrative somehow dropping the ball harder that BBS and 3D did.

@Pokémon Manga: BW 2 (which likely has Ghetsis as the Big Bad) still isn't done iirc and has been on hold for a few years. XY is almost done in Japan, though.

edited 1st Oct '16 4:28:23 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Here's the effortpost on Megatron since he was unanimously upvoted. I already added it to Warp Of The Worlds and I'm hoping to put it on maybe the Other Media page depending on where RP villains fit.

• Complete Monster: Megatron is the Bigger Bad of the first three RPs and is the leader of the Decepticons. He transformed a benign anthropomorphic lizard creature named Zerlo into a demonic warlock known as Zerlock and then a cyborg, four-legged, red eyed monstrosity known as Deathlock. Zerlock's first action is to destroy the Neonic home universe, a world home to a race of Jinjo like furry creatures causing the deaths of trillions of innocent Neonics and leaving the sole surviving Neonic Sparky alone with no family. While Megatron through Zerlock was affable, it was merely a facade as he quickly losed his cool the closer the heroes got to ruining his plans. When Zerlock's attempt to destroy and rule the Multiverse was thwarted by Sparky and his friends, Megatron showed up as a demon named Morvolo and made a deal with Zerlock's ghost to become Deathlock. When Deathlock's army and Deathlock himself were defeated, Zerlo was released and Megatron uses the Snake Queen to attempt to kill Zerlo's daughter Shela after taking her and the rest of Zerlo's family as a hostage. With the help of the revived Icon of Sin and the leader of SHROUD: Merikus, Megatron was able to once again rule the Multiverse with an iron fist. SHROUD's leader Merikus, revived Megatron at the end of Year One of Warp of the Worlds 3 for one final showdown with Marcus and Sparky. In the end, Megatron was a soulless robot who wanted nothing more than to rule everything as a tyrant even if it meant the cost of every other living thing in the Multiverse. Though Megatron was betrayed by Zerlock shortly after he lost control, he still remained the true Big Bad of the first three RPs.

edited 1st Oct '16 4:56:51 PM by Klavice

Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.

Alright, here's Sarpedon for the Choice of Games tree....

• Champion of the Gods: Sarpedon is one of the three Vestiges encountered in the story, and easily the worst. Residing on an island in the middle of the Forgotten Sea, Sarpedon regularly causes boats to crash onto his island, and then turns the surviving passengers of said boat crashes into statues that he arranges into his own twisted "art", a process he has repeated onto hundreds of innocents. When you crash onto his island, Sarpedon wastes no time in inflicting this same fate onto your entire crew, and, when you attempt to stop him, Sarpedon happily drains the life force of his own statues, killing dozens of them. Murdering many of the people who try to stop him, Sarpedon uses his last breath to summon a plague onto the nearby city of Kelinos, plunging the hundreds of residents into deathlike comas from which they nearly die if not for your intervention, all just to spite you.

And here's Ultron's update write-up. No major changes except his latest crimes....

• Shortly after Ultron's activation, he gained a malignant intelligence, came to the conclusion that morality was irrelevant and humanity was flawed, and sought to destroy humankind and replace it with androids like himself. When any of his creations, like The Vision, reject him due to his monstrosity, Ultron wastes no time in trying to destroy them, and, when his surrogate son, Victor Mancha, tries to turn on him, Ultron mind controls him into killing his friends, then murders his mother in front of him. Slaughtering the nation of Slorenia in Ultron Unlimited, Ultron uses the thousands of corpses to make a model of his own face large enough to see from space. Later taking over the Phalanx in Annihilation: Conquest, Ultron conquers the Kree Empire, murdering and torturing any who resist him, then plans to use his armada to destroy the Earth, just to spite his "father", Hank Pym. Returning in Rage of Ultron, Ultron conquers and assimilates the planet of Titan, uses it to lead an assualt on Earth, then tries to release billions of spores throughout the universe, which will transform all they infect into machines under Ultron's control. Following this, during which time he fuses with and corrupts Hank Pym, Ultron goes on a galaxy wide massacre, slaughtering billions of innocents throughout the cosmos, leaving many species near-extinction, then blames the Earth for said massacres, knowing the surviving aliens will soon declare war on the Earth because of this. In numerous alternate timelines, such as in Age of Ultron, Ultron succeeds in taking over the world and killing off the human race, with his plans only being thwarted with the use of time travel. A fully self-aware being, Ultron uses many excuses to try to justify his actions, but all of Ultron's claims are consistently proven false by his needlessly sadistic and egomaniacal personality. The strongest creation of Hank Pym, the Arch-Enemy of The Avengers, and the slayer of billions of innocents, Ultron is one of the most wicked villains the Marvel Universe has to offer.

edited 1st Oct '16 5:45:41 PM by Ravok

Tonight I dine on monkey soup.

So I think that makes four CM's from Choice of Games. All in under a week too.

@Klavice: I'm open to the possibility of Master Xehanort getting cut if he displays redeeming qualities, but as of now there's nothing to really point to that and the games and all side material have been pretty thorough in establishing Xehanort as pure ultimate evil incarnate. If anything, he seems more like a Zouken Matou type character - the person he was starting out is not at all the person he is now.

@G-Editor: Non-CM or not, I think anime!Lysandre is basically anime!Cyrus done right. Way more interesting character, more compelling and solid motivations, and a better arc even complete with a better death scene.

As for manga!Ghetsis, I said at least two more years but I don't know for sure. The next volume could come out at the end of this year and the next one the following year for all I know.

I'm seeing a good amount of support for Gustav Wagner, so here's his writeup (and I have already added it to Sandbox/CompleteMonsterDrafts):

• Escape from Sobibór: In this 1987 television film based on the real Sobibor uprising, Gustav Wagner is the cold-hearted Nazi deputy commander of the Sobibor extermination camp. Exerting complete control over the prisoners through violence, he personally executes a newcoming prisoner who offends and slaps another officer. He takes away a baby that was sneaked past the extermination selection to be killed, right in front of the baby's mother Naomi, and shoots both Naomi and her baby on the spot when Naomi resists. When an escape attempt occurs, he had the 13 captured prisoners each select another prisoner to be executed with them, or else he would select another 50 to be executed. All remaining prisoners were then forced to watch the execution of the 26 men by machine gun, since Wagner said that anyone that isn't watching would be executed as well. A symbol of the Nazis' wanton cruelty, Wagner's actions became a motivation for the prisoners to rise up and escape from the hellish camp.

edited 1st Oct '16 7:47:06 PM by Wuz

Out of curiosity, does manga!Lysandre count? I remember in the manga something about Team Flare destroying Vaniville Town with a massive nuke or something. Or does he have the same qualities he has in game.

The manga has been known to make characters who were previously not so evil into total Jerkasses, (see N) so I wouldn't be surprised if Manga!Lysandre counts.

Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.