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Somebody added another entry to Grizzly Tales for Gruesome Kids.

• Chico's parents in "The Stick Men".

  Chico's father: Explain this interruption!
  Chico's mother: I'm sorry, dear, but what's-his-name's been drawing on the walls again.

  Chico's father: "What's-his-name", who?

  Chico's mother: Your son Chico. That thing over there.

  Chico's father: Oh, him. Is he still here? I thought we decided to put him out with the rubbish months ago. How tedious!

I just cut it as I know it wasn't approved. This feels suspicious I remember there was that one user proposing a bunch of villains from the series including the fart kid, maybe I am wrong though.

Yes to Tetsuya.

Actually, on the topic of that Grizzly Tales stuff, can we revisit the qualifying entry (as well as another that the OP put up which I'll post in just a sec):

From "Grizzly Tales":

• Complete Monster ("The Black Knight"): Prince Egor is an evil knight known for his evil deeds in battle. When he hears that its king is dead, he invades the country of Ruritania, steals the crown, and subjects its people to endless misery. He steals all of his new subjects' wealth and possessions, forces everyone to worship him, kills all the animals and burns all the crops, leaving his subjects with nothing to eat and beheads anyone who speaks out against him. Not even children are safe, as they are put in service of the Black Knight.

This isn't crossing the heinous standard. Everything listed in the writeup is generic tyranny and it's never portrayed as anything but generic tyranny. No huge body count or anything like that.

More importantly I think it's wise to emphasize what might be treated as "heinous" is another setting often isn't treated as such in Grizzly Tales. The previous conversations turned up the issue that the entire series runs on often gruesome Black Comedy that I absolutely think screws up the standard; we cut a farmer who murders a bunch of children and grinds them into apple juice (or something like that) because the series is portraying them as deserving asshole victims. Do I think it's funny? No, but I'm neither in the right demographic—age or humor-wise—to appreciate that.

So can we just chop that entry and salt the Earth? The character is doing nothing, absolutely nothing, to actually come off as exceptionally heinous in the Black Comedy setting.

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 28th 2021 at 1:59:09 PM

Yeah Cut Prince Egor, I was always skeptical on this one.

Thinking about it, Egor seems like the type that is THISCLOSE to counting, but doesn't have an exceptionally evil deed.

Behead prince.

Now as for the other entries the OP managed to get up...this was from an old horror anthology duology for kids. Think Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark with (somewhat) less horrifying illustrations.

I'm gonna put up all three, for starters—I only have problems with one entry and I'll bold it, but I should clarify all of these guys should have been in a tree to begin with:

• Ask the Bones anthology's title story: the man with cruel eyes is a Serial Killer who targets boys. He takes them in as servants, forces them to kill and skin a bull, takes them to the mountains, wraps them in the bull's skin, waits for a giant bird to grab them, tells them to give him rubies, and then leaves them to die. He attempts this with Yusef, but Yusef escapes. Not recognizing him through his bruised face, the cruel-eyed man takes him in again and tries to repeat his usual process. He is outraged when Yusef asks him to show him how to lie on the skin, and tries to attack him.

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• More Bones: Much like its predecessor, Ask the Bones, this anthology has a couple of characters who go the extra mile in their depravity.
  • "The Haunted Bell": The cruel baron is a tyrant who heavily taxes his peasants. He has a suit of armor made for him and goes to war, but when he returns, he beats the peasants, demands rent for his time away, and burns the huts of those who cannot pay. He is hanged when some peasants sneak into his stronghold and overpower his guards, but his evil continues after death, when he kidnaps more children and maidens and burns more huts. When he is being made into a bell, he attacks the blacksmith tasked to the job.
  • "The Peasants' Revenge": Lord Hatto is a Villainous Glutton who starves his peasants and refuses to give them food during a famine. When a group of them come begging for wheat, he locks them in an empty granary and sets fire to it in an attempt to kill them all, only for a bolt of lightning to turn them all into mice. Even then, he feels no remorse, only wishing he'd been kinder to cats so they'd devour the mice.

So I have no issues with the man with cruel eyes, or Lord Hatto. Even years later I think these two handily cross the standard. The cruel baron, on the other hand, doesn't. Once again the writeup is relying on entirely generic villainy, particularly compared to other villains from the anthology.

The OP had a very clear issue with the heinous standard and I think we just didn't give these guys a closer look. I'm proposing we cut the baron as well and make a new tree that looks like this:

• Ask the Bones & More Bones:
  • "Ask the Bones": the man with cruel eyes is a Serial Killer who targets boys. He takes them in as servants, forces them to kill and skin a bull, takes them to the mountains, wraps them in the bull's skin, waits for a giant bird to grab them, tells them to give him rubies, and then leaves them to die. He attempts this with Yusef, but Yusef escapes. Not recognizing him through his bruised face, the cruel-eyed man takes him in again and tries to repeat his usual process. He is outraged when Yusef asks him to show him how to lie on the skin, and tries to attack him.
  • "The Peasants' Revenge": Lord Hatto is a Villainous Glutton who starves his peasants and refuses to give them food during a famine. When a group of them come begging for wheat, he locks them in an empty granary and sets fire to it in an attempt to kill them all, only for a bolt of lightning to turn them all into mice. Even then, he feels no remorse, only wishing he'd been kinder to cats so they'd devour the mice.

Cut Egor and the baron dude.

Tetsuya.

Cut Baron, yeah that is really underwhelming in terms of deeds especially compared to the two other listed.

If the huts are inhabited when he burns them, that MAY be enough.

I don't recall that they are, actually. It's literally just "evil despot is mean to his countrypeople". Lord Hatto actually goes the extra mile for a complete massacre.

Actually, permit me to rewrite the first guy a bit to actually...emphasize this is a clear pattern, since the original EP didn't make that clear:

• "Ask the Bones": the man with cruel eyes is a Serial Killer who targets boys. He takes them in as servants, forces them to kill and skin a bull, takes them to the mountains, wraps them in the bull's skin, waits for a giant bird to grab them, tells them to give him rubies, and then leaves them to die. He attempts this with Yusef, but Yusef escapes, having learned the mountainside is strewn with the bones of the man's past victims.

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 28th 2021 at 2:14:49 AM

In my mind tyrants should always be subjected to a large amount of scrutiny in terms of heinousness. Tyrants have some of the highest resources of the non-super-powered villains with the capability of killing thousands at will. With a tyrant, killing a few people is not going to pass in the same way a lone Serial Killer with nothing could.

Cut the Prince and the Baron.

Switching to to Tetsuya.

Cut Prince Egor and the Cruel Baron.

This is true about tyrants.

I'll take care of the Lit stuff tomorrow.

Here's what's pending (plus the Romelau trim and a new image needed for League of Legends):

• Ghidorah (Beast)
• Hunters of Justice (Critica7)
• Viceroy (Lighty)
• Bodaway Macawi (Lighty)
• You Were Never Really Here (Ravok)

Egor- the “morality” of that series is too fucked up for any keepers.

And for the not-so-cruel baron.

I do also find myself wondering if Grizzly Tales is not meant to be taken seriously. I mean we can't forget about Bart Thumper the kid who tried to use toxic farts to shoot a hole in the ozone layer.

Also gonna throw out another Brad Dourif: The Hazing is a 2004 horror film, also known as Dead Scared, with our friend Dourif as a homicidal college professor-cum-Satanist.

What has Professor Kapps done?

When some college frats are dared to steal a strange book from their kooky professor, Kapps, what they discover is far more chilling. Kapps is a deranged serial killer with a basement full of dead and mutilated bodies, every one of them murdered in strange Satanic rituals he evokes with the book, all for the sake of power. Kapps immediately attempts to murder the two frats who stumble onto his dirty work, but he ends up almost killed in the process, falling into a coma...

Well, every evil Satanist has his tricks, and Kapps' happens to be that he's a surfer dude—a body surfer dude. Kapps begins possessing and murdering the frats in various creative ways, ranging from chopping off their heads, to clubbing them to death with his cane, to turning them into mannequins. Events transpire to the point where Kapps is woken up from his comatose body, whereupon he proceeds to massacre the nurses and doctors working on him in the emergency room, and escape the hospital in an attempt to possess the remaining frats for some nice old human sacrifice.

Ultimately, Kapps is kicked into the very portal of Hell he opens, and though he tries to drag one of the frats with him, the portal spits her out—apparently she was just too much of a bitch for Hell.

Any mitigating factors?

Nah. Dourif's obviously chewing up the role, but for a horror-comedy he's played plenty seriously enough, and even for a horror, Dourif's body count is respectable. He's already established with over a dozen victims in the opening scene of the movie, and he proceeds to kill about a dozen more onscreen through various gruesome, torturous ways.

Conclusion?

Keeper!

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 28th 2021 at 2:43:19 AM

Kapps

Man Dourif has a lot of these. He's a way more prolific horror actor than I was aware off.

He might have another in Miami Vice, if memory recalls.

Speaking of Miami Vice...folks, get ready for a big conversation on that one upcoming. Some friends and I have found a veritable goldmine in that old series.

Yes to him.

Just an FYI, for Call of Duty, I replaced Hero Killer for Makarov with From Nobody to Nightmare. Both work, but I think the latter is better for his name. I also added a Modern Warfare Ultranationalists And Op For pothole for Al-Asad (he only had 4, so I was able to fit that in).

Btw in Monster.James Bond

Gorner should actually go after the young bond guys. His book was published after a few novel in the series and even references young bond as the actual prequel to this book.

I'll fix Bond.

Speaking of MV:

• Miami Vice's "The Maze": Elio Escobar is the most sinister, Ax-Crazy member of his drug dealing family. A murderer, thief, drug trafficker and vandal, Escobar murders a detective and has people taken hostage in a hotel, including a baby, with intent to murder them later. When he sees a girl he likes, Escobar tries to rape her. When his brother Georges sees this, he tries to reason with and stop Elio. Elio simply murders his brother in response to this. Even his brothers are disgusted by his utter psychosis.

Let me try a slight change:

• Miami Vice's "The Maze": Elio Escobar is the worst member of his drug-dealing family, with even his brothers disgusted by his utter psychosis. A murderer, thief, drug trafficker, and vandal, Escobar murders a detective and has people taken hostage in a hotel, including a baby, with intent to murder them later. When he sees a girl he likes, Escobar tries to rape her. When his brother Georges sees this, he tries to reason with and stop Elio. Elio simply murders his brother in response to this.

Prince Egor write up mentions that he "burns all the crops, leaving his subjects with nothing to eat" which does sounds heinous. Is it also pkayed for laughs?

I would like to know how that is played, because how it is written it sounds more like standard "tyrant is mean to his people" kind of behaviour with no explicit deaths. I really don't trust the person who made the proposal.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 28th 2021 at 1:54:05 AM