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I personally think Nomura should stay because of the people eating, not sure how common that is in the series.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 26th 2020 at 10:20:15 AM

I think we've about ground our heels in who we want to keep. I'll say this: I can accept however people want to vote and I'll probably get to mass reading the saga once it's all done. I trust Scraggle's opinion and he's backed his points with solid logic but a lot of the votes seem to be quick "Yeah, that"'s following them up. I'll talk it over with Lighty and Scraggle first but for the rest: if I find gaps in logic or facts missed that people were just quickly happy to concur with one voice on, I will not be at my most diplomatic.

• Sylvester "Sly" Yost is a hitman who, while his estimated fee of approximately $2 million per hit, plus expenses, allows him to indulge a "refined and cultured taste", is utterly ruthless and vicious; Yost is believed to be responsible for over 40 hits. Yost's MO is to beat the victim, then rape the victim—regardless of gender—before finally strangling them with a two-foot-long silver wire. Yost then takes a souvenir from the victim. Yost, hired to distract Roarke so hundreds of millions of dollars of items that Roarke's company is managing the auction of can be stolen, starts by killing a housekeeper at one of Roarke's hotels, then killing another employee who's also a friend of Roarke. Yost then attempted to kill Summerset; plans on killing Roarke himself—which would result in a bonus of $25 million—and then plans to kill Eve for free.
• The Apocalypse War (includes Block Mania):
  • East-Meg One Supreme Judge Josef Bulgarin first appears in Pirates of the Black Atlantic; when a Sov-Blok plot to nuke Mega-City One is found out—after several million deaths—is found out, Bulgarin, to avoid a war they would lose, has a Sov sektor destroyed with a nuke. Next, before the Apocalypse War itself, Bulgarin, who with his fellow Judges Vlad and Snekov form the ruling Diktatorat, has agent Orlok the Assassin contaminate Mega-City One's water with a Hate Plague, resulting in chaos and softening up Mega-City One, at which point Bulgarin implements the next steps, which include a nuclear strike and space, air, and land invasion, eventually resulting in hundreds of millions of deaths on both sides. Bulgarin is apathetic about the massive number of potential East-Meg One casualties, and later plans to invade other cities despite promising otherwise.
  • War Marshal "Mad Dog" Kazan is the barbaric and merciless commander-in-chief of the East-Meg One military who, on Bulgarin's orders, led the ground invasion and captured and brainwashed Mega-City One Chief Judge Griffin. Kazan subsequently assassinates the Diktatorat to seize power. Kazan also treats the men under his command horribly, from exiling them to Siberia without clothing, forcing them to play Russian Roulette, or executing one of his generals for simply suggesting surrender. Kazan, continuing the war beyond any rational point, becomes more determined than ever to continue the war after East-Meg One is devastated in a nuclear counterattack, until even his own soldiers mutiny and permit Judge Dredd to execute him, with Kazan dying while regretting and apologizing for nothing.

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2020 at 1:38:28 PM

'Yes' to Devlin and Zhaum, as for the other potential cuts? I'm fine with Cardinous and Krolock going, Hargrove I'm pretty apathetic on, Boehmer I kinda would lean Keep towards for due to how visceral his villainy is—even if Lucia is the mastermind, Boehmer's the one implementing the slag-pits and ensuring their proper usage, and his plan to explode the slag-beasts from inside people across the planet and kill billions is pretty damn brutal, but I won't pitch a fit over him. Nomura can stay.

Edited by Ravok on Jul 26th 2020 at 11:09:21 AM

Mir asked me to clean up the grammar and flow of the old Witch Hunter Robin entries Elfen did. So I've got these:

• Witch Hunter Robin:
  • "Dancing in Darkness": Kazuma Kurata is a witch and Serial Killer who drains other witches to prolong his life, agonizingly reducing their bodies to dust in the process. With a bodycount across multiple countries and spanning decades in his quest to live forever, Kurata attempts to hack the Solomon Organization's database to gain access to more witches to devour endlessly.
  • "Sign of the Craft": Seiichiro Aramune masquerades as a well-meaning politician running a not-for-profit organization for rehabilitating children from abusive homes. In reality, Aramune and his cohorts use it as a front to murder the kids and sell their organs, even telling a child who calls out his atrocity that his business is the most useful the children could ever hope to be.

These are the old ones:

• Witch Hunter Robin: ... people Robin and her companions had encountered, these one-shot characters are the most monstrous:
  • Kazuma Kurata, from episode 3 ("Dancing in Darkness"), is a witch who kills people to prolong his own life. To this end, he murders other witches by draining their life force with his bugs, resulting in their bodies getting shriveled into dust. He also murdered other people in different countries over several decades. He also attempted to hack the Solomon Organization computer to gain more information on the Witches so that he could be immortal forever.
  • Seiichiro Aramune, from episode 9 ("Sign of the Craft"), is a seemingly-humble politician who established a non-profit organization for rehabilitating children who are victims of domestic violence. The truth however, is markedly different. It was soon revealed that Aramune and his cohorts use said non-profit organization for an organ trafficking ring by selling the children's organs overseas. When got called out by one of the children, Aramune justifies his atrocities by saying that he tries to make the children in the rehabilitation center better.

I don't know what the start of the tagline was and honestly don't really care to check.

Devlin, Zhaum, Sabaton nameless war criminal, Soulis, Escabedo, Sawney

I haven't read through the proposed cuts in great detail as I've got less time on this, I've nothing to suggest on those.

Hey guys, I just finished Ghost of Tsushima... God, what a epic game. PM for details on any CM contenders.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jul 26th 2020 at 11:44:17 AM

• Witch Hunter Robin: Of all the people Robin and her companions had encountered, these one-shot characters are the most monstrous:
  • Kazuma Kurata, from episode 3 ("Dancing in Darkness"), is a witch and Serial Killer who drains other witches to prolong his life, agonizingly reducing their bodies to dust in the process. With a body count across multiple countries and spanning decades in his quest to live forever, Kurata attempts to hack the Solomon Organization's database to gain access to more witches to devour endlessly.
  • Seiichiro Aramune, from episode 9 ("Sign of the Craft"), masquerades as a well-meaning politician running a not-for-profit organization for rehabilitating children from abusive homes. In reality, Aramune and his cohorts use it as a front to murder the kids and sell their organs, even telling a child who calls out his atrocity that his business is the most useful the children could ever hope to be.

Nobody counts in Maniac Cop 3: Badge of Silence (seriously, what's up with that name? Did they just wanna reference the tagline of the last two movies without using it directly?), so here's Turkell.

Maniac Cop 2: Steven Turkell is a Serial Killer who targets and stalks strippers before breaking into their homes and strangling them. After his failure to claim a victim, Turkell is rescued by Cordell and teams up with him to use him as a bodyguard while he's out on his own killing spree. Escaping from police captivity, he drives Cordell to Sing Sing Prison in the hopes of releasing and building an army of death row inmates to terrorize the city, recklessly hitting other cars on the way. Once Cordell makes it clear that he has no interest in his ambitions, Turkell attempts to stab him with his own blade.

For Turkell, how many does he have killed compared to the dude who doesn't count? Because even if Cordell DOESN'T count, he seems to set the bar quite high.

Also, for everyone: Should that Bionicle fanfic go in a new "Other Media" folder?

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2020 at 3:09:53 PM

With all due respect, that's irrelevant. The majority has already upvoted him. I mean, Dexter has keepers, even though Dexter's body count is much higher than any of them. With that being said, here.

Edited by Stellarvore on Jul 26th 2020 at 2:12:55 PM

Hmm, that's true about Dexter (though Dexter was a Serial-Killer Killer; was Cordell?)...Having a redeeming quality doesn't mean you don't count. I mean, Jebus. Unless ALL of Cordell's kills were Asshole Victims, I'm switching to a no (probably doesn't matter).

Okay, ACW? I think you need to keep in mind your personal satisfaction with the candidate is not part of the criteria. Vote no on whatever grounds you want but...

Turkell isn't a superpowered zombie cop. That's the basis for my yes

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 26th 2020 at 12:30:55 PM

Do you guys think we should make a myth/folklore page soon?

@Ravok: I see your point about Boehmer, but I'm still going to keep my on him because he still doesn't stand out in my opinion. His "slag-beast" plan is quite similar to Rich Jacob's snuff porn ring plan, who has even fewer resources than Boehmer, so that crime wouldn't exactly stand out.

Various other human antagonists like Thomas Nero tried to doom the world and kill countless living beings as well, so Boehmer's plan to kill billions isn't that unique either. However, since the plan does involve slag-beasts bursting out of people, I can see why Boehmer's plan is more visceral, though other human antagonists like Natharie still planned initiated plots to condemn people to viscerally horrific fates, so Boehmer still doesn't do quite enough in my opinion.

Overall, Boehmer is a nasty piece of work and comes close, but I agree with Scraggle that he faces too much competition to count. However, I'm only basing this logic on the previous posts about this series, its trope page, and relevant effort posts on other candidates, so I'm not exactly the biggest source on this series and may be wrong (if that's so, I apologize in advance), but it's just something I wanted to point out.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jul 26th 2020 at 12:25:48 PM

Bluntly ACW, you upvoting is not the deciding factor if someone goes up or not. Stop repeating questions because your personal curiosity has not been satisfied—if the bulk of people are fine with it, it goes up. I don't deny entries for MBs I downvote on, this works by community.

Fair.

As for Boehmer, I think I lean towards keeping him. Besides the slag stuff, there's also the Water Source Tampering.

Bullman: Probably not a bad idea. The only question is what do we call it? Mythology? Mythology And Religion. Myths And Religion?

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2020 at 3:41:07 PM

Keep or cut, I'm just glad to see real discussion. Thanks, guys!

Btw, any more thoughts on my Bionicle suggestion from a bit ago?

Any thoughts on my above question?

I could go either way on Bionicle; how do we wanna classify that fan work though?

If a subject is resolved, ACW, and there's no good argument as to why is shouldn't stay resolved—please let it stay resolve.

I'd be totally fine with a mythology page, at this point.

The only other thing I admittedly forgot about Dietrich that might be a boon to his favor is that he's explicitly shown to be the one commanding many of the actions of the Dirlewanger brigade, which was historically infamous for levels of Rape, Pillage, and Burn even beyond the level of most Nazis—they're still treated as singularly monstrous in-story, so take that for what you will. Nomura, likewise, I forgot qualifies largely by enabling Sieg as well (though I'd have my issues with him, too, if he didn't make such sport out of hurting children every scene he's in).

Edited by Scraggle on Jul 26th 2020 at 1:45:26 PM

That only strengthens my belief Dietrich should stay. Once Zhaum goes up, I'll create a new sandbox with the cuts, and also to reorganize the page if needed.

Truthfully, I wouldn't mind seeing genuine debate on Hargrove, either. It's a fair point that he's only human, but he's also a very, very wealthy and powerful one in society, while his son not only handles most of the work but has effectively usurped most of the operation from him to let Hargrove die on his own. He's less of an active enabler than Nomura is to Siegfried, and is less personally sadistic. I also see Scrags' point on Siegfried as he's the most active Would Hurt a Child villain

Also...I had planned a EP of the X-man villain Bastion, but suffice to say, I don't think he keeps now after research.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 26th 2020 at 12:50:28 PM

ACW: How is it organized on Other Media?